Topic: Campaign to improve posting quality for local boards - page 6. (Read 3863 times)

The topics I mentioned are the following ones:


Their original names are the following:


Three out of these four topics are in English / German. I added them as I believed they are of interest for this campaign. However, one of the topics is in Romanian, written by me, dedicated specially for this campaign: Avoiding Romglish.

Additionally, I also added a picture of a book which students learn from in their first elementary grade:


In a similar manner, 1miau added the following resources in his translation:

- the topics [META] Pyramiden-Quotes im deutschsprachigen Board and [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
- the topic Zu viel Denglisch im deutschsprachigen Forumsbereich, written by himself, dedicated specially for this campaign and advocating against Denglish (mix of German with English)
- the topic 1miau Merit-Kriterien
- an image of Duden, which a dictionary of the Standard High German language.

And this is the moment you reached the most difficult part of this work.

As you see, when we translated this campaign topic, we added inside the translation some resources written in English but also some written in Romanian, respective German. These are the topics written by 1miau and me, with the occasion of this campaign.


Therefore, in order to have a proper translation -- meaning a proper content inside your translation, you should also add some topics / posts written in your language (either by you or by another Bengali user), thus the translation will not contain only resources in English or another language. You must add also resources written in Bengali. Obviously, these resources in Bengali should address issues present in Bengali board. We talked about the mix of Romanian with English, respectively about the mix of German with English. But only you should know the issues present in the Bengali board. (Obviously, you can consult about this with other Bengali users -- I would recommend to talk to Learn Bitcoin about this subject.)

Now do you see why this translation is so difficult?

Here is the converting post that was written in my own language: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M_Vr0_3OOvYhmGnXtq-_LrjJxPzHPzTrvgTalMfHoW0/edit?usp=sharing

In this post, "Română (Romanian) by GazetaBitcoin." @GazetaBitcoin, he mentioned a few additional posts, If you want then I'll try to convert that into my local language. If someone already translated that post then send me the link and I'll add that link in the post.

Today, Latviand has PMed me and reserved to create a translated version for our Filipino Local Board.
I've accepted his request and added him to my OP where I've listed all translations:

Reserved Translations

Bengali - roksana.hee
Filipino - Latviand

Looking forward to his work.  

Hello, we are very happy to have you on board. 
Like outlined by GazetaBitcoin, it's really important to customize your topic for your local board.
You can add many points, where your local board needs to improve posting quaility, how to avoid common mistakes etc.
As an inspiration, you can have a look at our topics:

Available translations: || Română (Romanian) by GazetaBitcoin || Deutsch (German) by 1miau

I hope it's working for you to read our German / Romanian version via Google translate and be able to see how we have customized our versions for our local boards.
For example: Bengali local is currently just a big topic, so it's different from German / Romanian local board. We are looking forward to your version. 
If you have any question, feel free to ask here.
I've added your reservation for Bengali translation to my OP. 

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I don't know, it's still a bit meh (but yet not MehMeh). 

Yes, maybe?
We need to stimulate Bitcointalk economy. 

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See, it's already full and we probably need a 2nd one...
Too many clowns here...

Okay, Sir. I'll make it in my local language's helpful words or any examples. Sir, need time for proper optimization. As soon as possible, I'll send you the proof.

Hey there!

If you'll engage in making this translation, please do not forget this very important part:


So practically, what you'll have to do is to construct a new topic, in Bengali language, highlighting the main problems of the posts made in this language. For example, I and 1miau discussed in our translations about these aspects: (1) English mixed with German (Denglisch); (2) English mixed with Romanian (Romglisch); (3) avoiding pyramidal quotes; (4) mistakes made by beginners; (5) 1miau's merit criteria.

Please take a thorough look at the German and Romanian versions of the translation before you proceed. If any of the above issues affect Bengali posts, feel free to add them to your translation. If there are other issues present in Bengali posts then mention them and add, for reference, topics or posts which discuss about how to avoid those issues.

So please be very careful, as this translation does not mean to translate this topic, but to create a new one, in your language, presenting the problems with posts in Bengali language and with references about these issues and how to avoid them.

Thank you, sir, for your meaningful post which impresses me a lot. I already translate all of the posts into my local language. I hope, in Bangladesh, it will be a much more helpful post to improve Bangali local boards' post quality. Thank you so much for your own @1miau creations with the help of @GazetaBitcoin who is my Ideal.

Well, what can I say then... have no fear, Gazeta is here 


I also thought about this, but I am not decided yet... After all, it's just a post, not a topic per se. Besides, the post / hardware check were made solely for helping those having a Betnomi Ledger, thus the post won't be so useful for a large mass of users / readers... This is why I hesitated about adding this post to my translations list.


LOL!

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Yup, I noticed! Great job!


Why are you still not happy?


A designer for the topic header? 

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Looooooooool!

I found a bus:



Not sure if we can find also a trailer Oo

I'm sure it took some time but you also needed much knowledge to apply there, so it's a great service for our community.
Maybe it's another topic for your translations list.
It's really sad what happened to Betnomi but at least, people can keep their Betnomi Ledgers (and put some stickers on it to tape Betnomi's logo). 

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Wow, I feel very honored to hear your positive reply. I've implemented it for now. 

But I'm still not 100% happy, dear GazetaBitcoin.
Maybe we should hire a designer? 

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Clown car? Yes, for sure it is way too small!!
For Bitcointalk, you need a whole clown bus, dear GazetaBitcoin.
And even then, we might still be in dire need of a big trailer... 

Blushing 
Thanks for the kind words, 1miau, but it was merely pure chance combined with a lot of perseverance 

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Looks fine from my perspective Let's do it like this then.


Nope, it looks very well! So you should be 100% happy

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Fortunately, he is out of DT for a while and I believe he will also remain out of The Clowns Cartel for a looong time now (our clown car was too small anyway ).

Replying a bit later here is totally fine, dear GazetaBitcoin.  
I really forgot that you are indeed a real computer / coding expert but wow, your work there is very scientific, detailed and valuable for our community.  
+100  

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I'm not a designer but here's my suggestion:

Available translations: || Română (Romanian) by GazetaBitcoin || Deutsch (German) by 1miau

I'm not 100% happy, so if you have any additional ideas, plz let me know.  

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Yes, it's really a sad case, where Timelord2067 demonstrated again, that he should be nowhere near DT.  

First of all I apologize for the delay in replying to you but I was very busy these days... I wanted to write a post also inside the topics you mentioned about our village idiot before replying here, so I could quote that post. Besides, I also had to dismantle a Ledger and this took me even more time Oo

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Well this is up to you... I just thought that listing the translations in the upper side of the OP would make them more visible. If we have them there I guess they can be removed from the place they are placed right now. But however you feel it will be okay

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Sadly, the second topic, where I wanted to post, is locked. So basically, the imbecile now harasses HedgeFx (again), this time for paying his load in advance? Oo And then he is calling out for theymos and LoyceV... to do what? Lol! This guy amazes me almost every day with his idiocy!

Ok, so replacing it instead of keeping our table + adding a list right in from of our whole post (like in your picture)?

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Plz not.  
He's at it again with his wrong accusations.  
And here as well...

If you mean this table:


then yes, I was thinking that, perhaps, it would be more visible the translation list if it appears in the header of OP, like in the image I added in my earlier post?

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Yes, all good here

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Lol! Most likely =)))

I can add a list as well but we have already a table in our OP, should our table get replaced or should we have table and list?

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Of course, we would get a huge mess. 
But Cricktor has now reviewed my comment and we have agreed to move it back to "Projektentwicklung", so it's fine now and issue solved. 


Let me guess, our weird forum pervs, like Timelord2067, would leave Merit and / or supportive comments? 

No, I meant to add to this thread a list of existent translations. Something like this:

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True. The rules should be always followed and, if there is a dedicated sub-board for a specific kind of topics then that should be used. What would happen if we'd see topics like these in Meta, moved there for better visibility? Oo

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If that would be debated I would always support 1miau!

That's always a good idea. Some topics can be very specific for certain local boards (of if the creator of the original topic has shared some of his thoughts).

And when talking about adapting, something similar comes to my mind (but much more on a basic level):
The best candidates are the ones, where the reference link is added below ( ) the translated text and when readers are starting to read the post, we can't see that it's a translation and might be tricked into thinking OP (of the translation) would be the original author of the text.
Doing so, is some sort of very shady Merit fishing.  
A proper translation will aways display the reference link right away.  

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Adding in my German local board version, do you mean?

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Indeed, dear GazetaBitcoin, indeed (the bold part)...
Perhaps help is necessary but after my report from yesterday got overturned, I'm less optimistic. I've reported an ANN translation to be moved in our dedicated sub-board for this (Project Development (Projektentwicklung)) and the ANN topic also was (correctly) moved there by the mod at first, but then, the translator (Cricktor) complained why his ANN translation got moved to the other ANN translations and mole0815 moved it back to the prominent German front page. And Cricktor told mole0815 to move it back because it would be more visible on the front page. It's important to note here, that the dedicated sub-board didn't play the main role in this argumentation, but the better visibility.
So, ANN topics can now be posted directly on the prominent front page on our German local board, while there's a dedicated sub-board for all projects in construction and finished ones (ANN), called "Projektentwicklung" (Project Development).  
This won't end in a total mess, won't it?  

Anyways, I've explained Cricktor that visibility doesn't matter, where a topic should be placed. Only the content of a topic is relevant, where it's getting placed and "Projektentwicklung" is, where all ANN threads are placed (except Altcoins, Altcoin ANN's belong to our German Altcoins section).
Maybe it's helpful to get some order in this again....  

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Sometimes it's difficult, sometimes it's very easy. And depending on the moderator, it might vary as well.
Take this case here of our plagiarizer friend Whut2.0: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62588501
I don't really know what he wanted to add to the discussion (comment says "750k yes sure" (topic is about an analyst predicting 750k USD per BTC)).
My report got marked as "bad".  
Maybe our spammer Whut2.0 will write "HOLD", "SELL SELL SELL", TO THE MOON" or "Let's get REKT!" next time...
Personally, I'm generally in favor of sending a strong message. Also for posts where 150 characters are met but nothing is really contributed. People will shitpost once but think twice before shitposting again next time if their posts are getting deleted.  

I'm away during the day, if spammers found out about it, hell might break loose in the German section. We had a time, when we had many fake translations (due to Altcoin Bounty translations), where new fake translations popped up all the time...

Defining what posts qualify as spam is not something you can easily do, people have different perspectives. Also, the moderator might be looking for more posts no matter what the quality is, you know, just a way of "showing" that they have a huge community and he is needed, not saying the German mod is doing that, I am generally speaking.


Perhaps the German board could use someone like 1miau, pretty heavy-handed  I suppose.

Fishing for merit for the sake of financial gain is normal human nature, all boards including the English-speaking ones have the same thing in common, I see nothing wrong with it, the reason why someone wants more merit doesn't matter, as long as they are doing it the right way by posting quality posts they are worthy of merit.


One issue we face in the Arabic board is the exact definition of the technical words related to blockchain, we have a whole dedicated topic for that, the problem is, Arabic is rather complicated, in my country most people pass their English tests but fail Arabic tests, the blockchain tech as a whole is not so popular yet, so not enough qualified people have looked into it, to translate the technical terms you need someone who understands what it really means, and that someone needs to have excellent language skills.

We are slowly progressing into finding the right terms, but it will take some time, for now, if the translation sounds weird we all just stick to using the English version of the word.

Then perhaps this also the right moment to remind to all users of this topic that they can show their involvement too by translating and adapting this topic in their local boards:


The highlighted part is crucial, as in this case it is not needed a literal translation of this topic, but one adapted to the customs and idiom of each language. I will also make this suggestion to AOBT group and maybe we'll get some support from there as well.

For those interested to see how such adapted topic looks like they can take a look at the existing translations:


And, speaking of that, I was wondering if 1miau could add these translations to the OP?

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I am very sorry to hear how things are working inside German board. For sure, the situation does not look good. The mod from that section should act with a strong hand against spam -- or, in case the workload is too much for him, perhaps he can ask for some help...?

Yes, it's somehow our duty to educate the uneducated.
As we all know, in ancient Greece / Rome, the society profited from progress due to science and the academicians were very prestigious.
Not only there, it's a pattern in history (but somehow, especially ancient Greece / Rome comes to my mind).  


Indeed, we can be role models here, once again.  



Maybe I can start to set up an attempt to bring this topic to more local boards or as we have discussed recently, where I was planning to launch a topic, where people could link their recent posts and good ones would receive an additional chunk of Merit if the requirements are met. At least, Merit is meant that way: to reward quality posts. Nowadays, many people only spend Merit for their fellow sigspammer friends, no matter if the post is really worth it. It's like "am I getting my fair share of Merit to join the next signature campaign?". People don't care about their posting quality, but still want enough Merit to be accepted in a campaign.
This occured in our German local board, which is really a shame.  
So, improving language is really an important issue, where hopefully more people will care about - in the forum and in real life.  
I'm still optimistic here, especially due to you inspiring discovery in your calendar.