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Very good Loaf, very good indeed! Looking forward to some games

Another random idea...

I believe there are 15-20 levels of roles in CK from Visitor to King. One thing being considered is automated movement both up and down these levels based on performance in the economic consumption/production game. At higher levels, naturally there will be fewer positions open (perhaps scaling with the total number of active players).

However, there will be only one house at a time that can ascend the auspicious steps in the central plaza towards the glistening golden palace...

Their entire royal retinue will be needed to cast open the gargantuan doors etched (also in solid gold) with great moments in Crypto Kingdom history...

They regally step through the corridor, their very footsteps echoing seemingly for hours as the noise carries throughout the leviathan stronghold...

As they traverse open darkness, torches conjured by the Great Wizard Zenon himself before his ascension brilliantly bloom in the twilight...

The very belly of the keep glows: magnified, reflected, and refracted by the gold and gemstones adorning the walls...  

An oculus in the central dome shines pure sunlight onto the true seat of power in the kingdom...

Zechariah's Troll Throne



Was all the secret plotting and intrigue worth this? The arranged marriages and foreign alliances? Killing your page (poor lad could always make a mean mutton!) when he overheard something he shouldn't have?

OF COURSE! Since as king, you get a share of all pool payouts direct to your pocket! You get a cut of it all! All the money that flows in taxes and wages! All the food and drink that makes its way across the city!

You can go as high as 5% of it all, but of course those in power can't always stay in power, and all that money moving in other hands on the way to yours may very well be financing your successor! 40% of tax revenues go into a "regicide pool," and the pot becomes bigger and bigger the longer you stay in power! And that foppish duke you insulted at the last banquet? Maybe he will even secretly funnel some funds to that pool in exchange for favors from his favored successor!

As the crown weighs you down and you find yourself seeking comfort in wine, women, and song, the schemers scheme at garden parties and gallant tourneys, and before you know it...

Mostly CAN related, and effected 'nobility speak', which some were quite good at, especially Risto, as most of it ended up being about kissing his royal bum cheeks with every sentence, a bit like Black Adder

I recall there being a tournament involving horse back riding and shooting once, that was kinda cool, hope there's another one!

Me too, but it's a cheap option, why not until we get some trading volume and submit requests to all major exchanges..
I mean, as you said, a Cryptopia listing is ~26BTC with current DOT prices.
On C-Cex we need around 5000 votes, which is 5BTC, I believe NovaExchange was quite cheap previously, but I'm not completely certain and can't seem to find the Addcoin option anywhere.
There are exchanges that list for free such as HitBtc (I think?) and we just need enough submissions to get accepted.
After making some trading volume, it's a good option probably

Old CK "Meme" Items & Concepts

General question for the community: what were the meme-worthy items and concepts in the old, fun CK days? What did people keep talking/joking about? Any repeated one-liners? What would you trade back and for just for the lulz?

I know CAN and FOIE were always popular, so definitely want to have those in some fashion in the relaunched game

I've heard some negative things regarding YoBit, such as never updating wallets for months and thus holding back large amounts of people's funds. May look at them, but would also appreciate some other quotes.

Say that we are a Counterparty (XCP) token. So like BitCrystals: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcrystals/

Here is the asset on XCP for BCY: https://xchain.io/asset/BITCRYSTALS

There are some cheaper ones I believe.
First option should be YoBit


Though, I've seen numerous people pay and not get listed.
The 0.1BTC option isn't expensive at all to try.

Also, to update others, just visited the Ryver channel, seems the 2 devs that CrazyLoaf is in touch with habitate that channel.
Apparently development is going on.

We have good devs on it. Check out the CK Ryver channel:

https://cryptokingdom.ryver.com/application/signup/members/njw9Z-TTBMjyruB

And yes, GUI and the like are on the to-do list.

And on the "pay for exchanges" side, it's a little pricier than you'd expect. I've heard even low ranked exchanges want 30 BTC per listing. The ICO craze means token creators have money to burn, and understandably exchanges are putting their hands out

That won't really be a hard job, we just need to gather some BTC to pay for a listing on some exchanges.
That's it.

What our challenge is, it's getting a good dev that's going to make a GUI for our website.
The things we're talking about are secondary..

As long as we get the game currency listed on some external exchanges, I don't worry about decimal places at all

Land/properties/etc. are 100% part of any plan Why? Well look at some old CK valuations like this one:

https://cryptokingdom.gamepedia.com/Valuation_Calculation_1632

Land + In-Game Currency (CKG & CON at the time, which were combined for M) were about 80% of the market cap.

A lot of my monyes in the fcking lands and buildings!
I can whithdraw nothing. If lands will be off in future it will be the greatest shit ever(excl Risto).

Consumption Game?

Would really like someone who is interested in seeing progress in the game and who has some ideas as to how the consumption game should work to pop on the Ryver chat sometime.

Really I think the core gameplay style from the Google Doc days where there were different "pools" (like science, shops, rentals, etc.) was a good one, it just needs implemented and automated by the website.

Thinking out land, but something like this perhaps...

As a "player house" you have yearly consumption needs with inputs based on your player level (prince, knight, etc.) as well as the amount and type of land/property owned.

Say I'm a level 3 and own a basic single plot of land. Maybe I just have 10 NPCs to worry about consumption wise, and their needs are fairly basic as well.

However, if I'm a level 13 with a ton of land, many with a good macrolocation score, maybe I have 1k NPCs. And they are more demanding, wanting higher quality food and clothing.

And moving up and down levels can automatically happen, based on performance in the consumption game. Also, as more people play the consumption game, the more challenging it can get. With fewer players, game difficulty can fall down. Overall, sort of like difficulty algorithm adjustments in crypto mining to a degree

Of course, there are aspects to be tweaked. Maybe you can try to work through different types of NPCs, like milita, scientists, artisans, and the like, and they would all have different needs as well as consumption requirements and production results. You work towards a "portfolio" of NPC types that meet your needs.

Main thing is, if we are doing a token, it will be a defacto blockchain-based solution.

The prior concept with blockchain M seemed to go as follows. If you wanted to move M out of the game, you'd send to "new" and then whoever held the XCP wallet would create some blockchain M so that you could send it off to an exchange. If you wanted to take the M back in-game, you'd send blockchain M to the address of whoever was running the CK M depo. They'd create M in-game from "new" for you and then send the blockchain M to a burn address on XCP. Too complicated...

The most basic implementation of blockchain M I am looking at will go as follows. Blockchain M will be airdropped to all in-game M holders 1:1 and will replace the old M. Movements of M in-game will occur like on any exchange site, via changing database entries showing M ownership position. Movements out of the game will be sending from one XCP address to another XCP address.

This also leaves open the possibility for a dedicated "burn" address that can be used to increase the value of all M holders equally, say by sending a portion of earned game revenues to it (like BCY and PEPE have done).

In regards to the decimals, 1 XMR = 1mil M back when the monetary base was in the billions. Risto got us to the point where we are now in the trillions, so that relationship should no longer hold.

Almost universally, crypto exchanges use 8 decimal places. And M has to function in-game not just as a currency, but also as a measure for the value or in-game corporations, real estate, debt, etc. 1 quadrillion gets us to a comparable global base, plus allows for people to become "trillionaires" (which if crypto goes according to plan, that is what people like Satoshi and the Winklevoss will become). It also gets us at 10 million starting full units. BCY had 100 million and PEPE had 1 billion. The total can then go down from there according to burns...

Last time we discussed it we went with 6 decimals places and 1 CKM token being a million M.
I've made the token but PJ never delivered the deposit page.
1 CKM = 6 decimals
1 CKM = 1 million

And the supply is a lot more 'normal' with 4 million rather than 40 000.


Makes sense, but we'd have to multiply the current balance then, since we currently have 4 trillion M, that is the reason we wanted 4 instead of 10.
Guess we could really round it up, shouldn't be hard to code that I guess, but is it really necessary?

I believe the 6 decimal, 1 CKM = 1 Crypto Kingdom Million (Markka) solution we went with is still a viable option.
And a more logical one.


With this I agree, I hated my char dying so I paid some XMR to buy a FOC account.
With the XMR price now, it was quite an expensive account xD

Looks good to me, if we're going to have 8 dec places on external exchanges, which makes sense, then having '1 "full" M blockchain unit will equal 100,000,000 in-game M units' makes sense too.

I like round numbers, so maybe 10 mil blockchain M with 8 dec places, so 1,000,000,000,000,000 in-game M , i.e. 1 quadrillion game M

Individual Characters to Houses

So fairly obvious that it doesn't make too much sense to have a bunch of 300 year olds running around the kingdom (that have also been naked, starving, and skirting their taxes for almost as long).

Say we take that "age" and have that as a "founding date" for "houses." So based on some recent posters (don't remember your in-game names), you'd have "House BoomBoom" and "House ACDC." Gives us a "Game of Thrones" vibe too

Idea here is that we don't want people dying, losing their accounts, etc. as in the past. Maybe specific player characters can be a later aspect (maybe "Heralds" that can run around in an actual 2D/3D game world), but for now simpler is better.

We could also have a way for players to electively choose to be a "Player House" or an "Investment House." The latter would function much like the FOCs of the past, but items such as health and the like would be removed. 

A bunch of gameplay happened with the consumption game that was supposed to be seen in clans, but the payoff never came to fruition as clans was sort of a bust. I mean what does Wisdom, Health, Happiness even do? May be able to address that with the next aspect...

Pooled NPCs

Now I know there has been some winnowing down on individual NPC lists, which is fine as, again, too many items with not much purpose.

But one thing that did make sense was the different large pools of NPCs (I believe they were called NPCC1, NPCC2, etc.) that provided a direct game-driven production and consumption demand.

Since we move from an individual player that can die to a House, naturally those estates may also have a number of NPCs to clothe and take care of. What if the way the pooled NPC game was handled was via an airdrop to all players based on their player level? Higher player levels should have larger estates, hence more NPCs to take care of (and more demanding NPCs as well).

We'd then look at mass consumption on a real world weekly basis. So you quaff down 200 CAN, you would be taking care of the needs of your House and all of its associated NPCs.

We'd need to announce when this gameplay starts ahead of time, but this could be a great way to see who are the characters at high levels who no longer want to play the game in a "Player House" fashion. They could become an "Investment House." Otherwise, they get airdropped a bunch of NPCs that they leave naked, hungry, and without CAN and they'd start feeling financial costs (as well as a possible drop in player level).

CKP could work as a name, but platinum really isn't much of an adornment for buildings, artwork, etc. Minor thing overall. May just have to be one of those "weird" things that results from prior choices if CKG and CKS becomes CKGB (CK Gold Bar) and CKSB (CK Silver Bar), but you aren't able to take the "gold" currency coins and directly make them.

One reason I thought of having current CKG be airdropped the currency CKG is that would create an arbitrage market on collectibles, and people may destroy, say, their gold coins, cutlery, and the like to unlock the CKG within them, making the remaining items rarer overall as in the "relaunch" we'll try to keep the active item lists cleaner and with more fine-tuned purposes. Most of these older items may not be addressed in terms of being provided uses/purposes unless someone from the community creates them.


This is another great point. We have a lot of nobles running around not having paid taxes for decades. Even worse, they are naked and haven't eaten for almost as long Really, the production and consumption game needs to be automated and, like in the early game when it was manually checked, there should be requirements for what needs to be owned and consumer given a specific player level.

If anyone has suggestions in this area, I'm all ears. I'm even thinking that in the same way people were automatically promoted to a certain number of levels, it also needs to be possible to, over time, fall in levels if level requirements are not consistently met. Otherwise you have a bunch of naked nobles without carriages and no house who haven't eaten even a single CAN in almost 100 years

Money Supply & Tokenization

Again, early stage thoughts here, but want to get a feel from the community. We have 4 trillion M units. On any token asset, I think for ease of comparison to pretty much any other crypto asset, 8 decimal units is the way to go. That means 1 "full" M blockchain unit will equal 100,000,000 in-game M units.

Here's a potential problem with that: we will only have 40k "full" blockchain units. (40000.00000000 OR 4,000,0.00,000,000). In the top 100 on CoinMarketCap, the smallest amount is GBYTE with 645k circulating supply, but 1 million total supply. Also, in my opinion, we need to keep in mind a scenario where the smallest "satoshi" level of currency (the decimals) is 1:1 to in-game currency, which is taken care of in this scenario.

Keeping all ownership positions in M the same, do we want to do a final multiplication to something higher than 40k units (or 4 trillion)?

Here's a recent visual on the world's markets:

http://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-money-markets-one-visualization-2017/

Narrow money is around $40 trillion and broad money is around $100 trillion. 100 trillion M would get us to 1 million blockchain M.

Looking globally and rounding some:

Gold: 10
Stock: 75
Narrow + Broad Money: 100
Debt: 215
Real Estate: 220

Gets us to 620 trillion M, or 6.2 million blockchain M. And we haven't included derivatives or anything like that.

Honestly, we could even go for something higher that gets us to quadrillions of in-game like 10 million (1 quadrillion) or 100 million (10 quadrillion) blockchain units. That would get someone like Karl Hungus to a 100 trillion position, and since this whole Bitcoin business is supposed to start creating the world's first trillionaires, maybe CK needs to have this opportunity open as well    

I think we ALL want everyone to come back and play, that'll make CK great again, and increase value for those who stayed. The problem with airdropping on gold is getting everyone to agree on the details, and imo, less about what happened in the past.