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legendary
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Just today there was a scam accusations against Bitvest by one of the newbie opened up in gambling discussion section.

Thank you for informing me of this thread, as I was unaware that it had been opened. I don't want to repeat here what was said there, but summarizing a lot, proper businesses that move a lot of money, think about that according to Stalker22 are owed over $20K just in advertising, they don't get paralyzed because there is a single person who gets sick.

Can anyone imagine not getting their payroll because their boss got sick? And I'm talking about someone who works in a company where money flows, like money flows in 777 and Bitvest casinos. A proper business has to have foreseen how to keep the business running if the owner gets sick.




legendary
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I only ask because I don't know how many weeks behind the various recipients are owed their back pay - I did see ten weeks in one post, is this correct?  Also, another post made mention of a "bonus" being paid as a "late fee" - is this paid across the board?

This was the calculation I did a few posts back. CryptopreneurBrainboss can confirm whether this is correct.

Based on the spreadsheet, the total amount overdue for the last 10 rounds is: 0.2359419 (Bitvest) + 0.1070795 (777Coin), or about $19,000 based on Bitcoin's current value (not including bonuses). Quite a bit, I must say.

legendary
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It's not so much doubt as insecurity, and more so now that I'm in D2, I don't want to rush. I opened this thread to see what people thought but since I can change the feedback to negative at any time, it looks like I will end up doing it.
I know you have previously also stated about the long delays in payment from the campaign and i think that at current 10 weeks payment have been due to the participants which is long delay.Along with you some other's also claimed not to be paid on regular intervals and just received the previous funds when the next week comes.

There are some other participants also who are facing the similar situations awaiting for the payments for the weeks.

It's taking a bit longer for @lightlord to process the pays, this batch seems a bit longer than the usual 6 weeks delay, I don't know the highest weeks delay in payment but it seems that this is the highest number being 8 going 9, hope that the bonus for the next pay is a bit generous than the usual  Grin.

Just today there was a scam accusations against Bitvest by one of the newbie opened up in gambling discussion section.I have not played on casino but it seems from the discussion that hot wallets are empty most of the time which delays the withdrawal of players and same issues there also.

I read in some places that lightlord is sick and that's why he can't enter the forum. If he is really sick, I wish him a speedy recovery. He hasn't logged into the forum since Sept 26. It's a serious illness that he probably didn't even have a chance to simply enter the forum and make a statement. This is a sad situation for people who have not received payment for about 10 weeks. I hope he gets over his illness soon and makes the payments.

The lightlord made the last post with round 133-136 payments but the spreadsheet has been updated with round 146 payments also by the manager which makes 10 weeks delay in payments which is big.

But @OP you are lucky to be selected in second highest paying signature campaign on the forum because these issues might remain the same and participants waiting for some more weeks payment.
legendary
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The fact that I do you a service and you, who have promised to pay me next week take 4,5, 10 weeks to pay me or more, seems to me at least morally questionable and at least makes me doubt whether I should leave him negative feedback as The Parmacist has done.
Where exactly is your doubt here? It looks like he already had red trust a couple of years ago and it was revised to neutral... Second chances are great and all, but this one's blown bigly and seems like proven "high risk" behavior.

It's not so much doubt as insecurity, and more so now that I'm in D2, I don't want to rush. I opened this thread to see what people thought but since I can change the feedback to negative at any time, it looks like I will end up doing it.
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The fact that I do you a service and you, who have promised to pay me next week take 4,5, 10 weeks to pay me or more, seems to me at least morally questionable and at least makes me doubt whether I should leave him negative feedback as The Parmacist has done.

Where exactly is your doubt here? It looks like he already had red trust a couple of years ago and it was revised to neutral... Second chances are great and all, but this one's blown bigly and seems like proven "high risk" behavior.
legendary
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Hey. I didn't expect this thread to have had so many responses in such a short time.

First to The Pharmacist: Brainboss does not have access to funds. You can see that at present it is different from the case you comment on Lutpin. It is Lightlord who makes the payments.

Any negative trust he receives should be removed once he catches up on payments.
I disagree with that, since this is the second time his campaign participants have had serious issues with payment.  It's just not acceptable behavior, and I thought I was being generous last time by changing my negative to a neutral.  This time I think he's earned a neg, regardless of what reasons or excuses he has for not paying out and not communicating.  Enough is enough with this guy.
If he pays his debt, there is no reason why he should have a negative.

Here I agree more with The Pharmacist. I have left Lightlord neutral feedback for the moment, but I think everyone who deals with him on money matters should be aware of how he behaves.

I am still owed money by Lightlord, Quickseller, I said so on the first page.

The fact that I do you a service and you, who have promised to pay me next week take 4,5, 10 weeks to pay me or more, seems to me at least morally questionable and at least makes me doubt whether I should leave him negative feedback as The Parmacist has done.

Since he's supposedly sick, I'm going to do what I said, wait a couple of weeks and see how it goes.
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If negative ratings remain after someone has honored their commitments, why would someone repay a delinquent debt, but more importantly, why would someone complain about a delinquent debt if doing so will mean the debtor will receive a prominent negative rating?
I don't know, QS, why do credit rating agencies keep people's FICA scores at 600 for years when they don't pay their credit card bills?  Why are men being fired from their jobs for mere accusations of sexual misconduct?  Why do people earn reputations as being unreliable, or liars, or scammers?  Why do we tag anyone on this forum for scamming?  Those are all questions as good as the ones you're asking, yet those things happen.
Lenders will treat potential borrowers differently if a potential borrower is currently delinquent on a loan, compared to a borrower who was previously delinquent, but is now current/paying as agreed. 

IMO being fired for a mere accusation is inappropriate, but a substantiated accusation of sexual misconduct is obviously more serious than not paying your bills on time.

Tags are given out as a deterrence to scamming. A flag for a contract violation should be opposed (and support should be withdrawn) if the damaged party has been made whole. The statement that is made when supporting a contract violation reads, in part:
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[user] did not make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act
legendary
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I only ask because I don't know how many weeks behind the various recipients are owed their back pay - I did see ten weeks in one post, is this correct?  Also, another post made mention of a "bonus" being paid as a "late fee" - is this paid across the board?
legendary
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@Timelord2067, All the information are on the spreadsheet available to the public, at the button you can see total Bitcoin to be payout to participants in every round (weekly), you can check it out if you wish to see the total for all previous rounds for both campaigns.. The campaign has been paused by me meaning no promotion are required from the participants and anyone doing that is doing some free advertising. Also since the reward system is pay per post, I can't give you the estimate you're asking for but again, you can get an idea by looking at previous rounds from spreadsheet.
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@CryptopreneurBrainboss  - how much is currently owed at participants?  And, how much would be owed to participants between now the the 31st of October this year?  I'm just trying to get a feel for how much is owed to everyone involved in the two campaigns you manage.  (I'm not after a line-by-line break down, just an overall figure).
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If negative ratings remain after someone has honored their commitments, why would someone repay a delinquent debt, but more importantly, why would someone complain about a delinquent debt if doing so will mean the debtor will receive a prominent negative rating?
I don't know, QS, why do credit rating agencies keep people's FICA scores at 600 for years when they don't pay their credit card bills?  Why are men being fired from their jobs for mere accusations of sexual misconduct?  Why do people earn reputations as being unreliable, or liars, or scammers?  Why do we tag anyone on this forum for scamming?  Those are all questions as good as the ones you're asking, yet those things happen.

In addition, regardless of whether red trust flips that moral switch in lightlord's head, triggering him to withhold payment from everyone he owes, that trust should stand as a future warning to anyone thinking of joining one of his campaigns.  Obviously the neutral trust he got the last time didn't do the trick, or nobody cared.
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For now the story is he's sick so please lets give him that benefit of doubt for couple of weeks.

He told you that?

Actually I haven't been able to contact him since obviously he hasn't been online for sometime now but the information on one of this other projects discord group from supposedly one of his administration is that, he's sick.



Which is why I said for now, the story is that he's sick. Just like the participants I'm also been owned for 10 weeks and I won't hesitate to let out my frustrations if the issue isn't resolved in 2weeks time maximum.
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Any negative trust he receives should be removed once he catches up on payments.
I disagree with that, since this is the second time his campaign participants have had serious issues with payment.  It's just not acceptable behavior, and I thought I was being generous last time by changing my negative to a neutral.  This time I think he's earned a neg, regardless of what reasons or excuses he has for not paying out and not communicating.  Enough is enough with this guy.
If he pays his debt, there is no reason why he should have a negative.

The threat of a negative rating is a primary reason why many honor their debts, and the potential for a negative to be removed is a reason why someone will pay a delinquent debt. If negative ratings remain after someone has honored their commitments, why would someone repay a delinquent debt, but more importantly, why would someone complain about a delinquent debt if doing so will mean the debtor will receive a prominent negative rating?

I agree that the behavior is unacceptable, but is not something that warrants a permit negative. He is compensating those who he is late paying with a bonus.
legendary
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I don't understand your argument about members not being able to get into other campaigns.  If that's true, that would be because they're shitposters, not because they were involved with your campaign.  Nobody's going to neg you or your participants because they were associated with lightlord, if that's what you're thinking.

Not that per se, speaking of the merit aspect. These days that's a major criteria for getting into the newly launched campaign and most of my participants don't have much of those and that's not because they're shit posters per se. Also we have some very old members that don't care so much about the merit system like the new and hungry members hunting for merits so they can rank up, get picked for new slots on campaign etc.

This users are just enjoying their stay here and you can't say they're after the monetary value as they aren't getting paid as much as their counterparts in other campaign, they're just comfortable. Also for the member rank, not many campaign offer such opportunity, which is why they won't stand a chance.

I understand you have a history with lightlord but maybe a week or two just for additional confirmation. It'll be unfair for we to just jump into conclusion of he scamming us after been this consistent for years. I'm not trying to defend his actions here please, infact I condemn them, just airing my opinion.
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For now the story is he's sick so please lets give him that benefit of doubt for couple of weeks.

He told you that?
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Any negative trust he receives should be removed once he catches up on payments.
I disagree with that, since this is the second time his campaign participants have had serious issues with payment.  It's just not acceptable behavior, and I thought I was being generous last time by changing my negative to a neutral.  This time I think he's earned a neg, regardless of what reasons or excuses he has for not paying out and not communicating.  Enough is enough with this guy.

Props to Foxpup and DarkStar_, by the way. 
Neither of whom have participated in this thread - what is their connection?
That's an open secret, where have you been?

Lets give him some more time, and if there's no welcoming development then I'll have to stop campaign and the tags can start coming in. For now the story is he's sick so please lets give him that benefit of doubt for couple of weeks.
How much more time are you willing to give him?  I think you ought to come up with a hard deadline before entreating the campaigners to be patient, because this could go on and on indefinitely.  I understand you don't want to end the campaign, but there comes a time in situations like this where you have to cut bait and move on. 

Many members wouldn't stand a chance in other campaign if this campaign was to be forcedly closed due to the negative feedback it'll receive assuming its intact isn't to scam which I strongly believe so, as much as other present participants of both campaigns.
I don't understand your argument about members not being able to get into other campaigns.  If that's true, that would be because they're shitposters, not because they were involved with your campaign.  Nobody's going to neg you or your participants because they were associated with lightlord, if that's what you're thinking.
legendary
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I just want to request some time to be given before any action be taken. Hopefully lightlord is recovery from whatever he's facing and he'll respond to my PM. He has never been this absence which means something very serious has to be the cause. This campaign has been active for more than a year and half under my management and up till last 10 rounds payment hasn't be owed, delays do occur but payment has always been made, not many projects can boost of that.

Many members wouldn't stand a chance in other campaign if this campaign was to be forcedly closed due to the negative feedback it'll receive assuming its intact isn't to scam which I strongly believe so, as much as other present participants of both campaigns. Infact as I announced a decision to pause campaign, I received plead by members both publicly and via private message not to end campaign believing lightlord would pay but I had no choice but to paused the campaign.

Lets give him some more time, and if there's no welcoming development then I'll have to stop campaign and the tags can start coming in. For now the story is he's sick so please lets give him that benefit of doubt for couple of weeks.
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Chronology and actual situation for now possible: @CryptopreneurBrainboss, knows better, what happened to: @Lightlord, all this time, I think at least @Lightlord told @CBs, where, and how he is now, the reason is simple for now @CBs, trusted for @Lightlord campaign.

Payment issues, 1-4 weeks, in lump sum payout, maybe I don't know much about that and also the campaigns: BITVEST and 777Coin, I've never been a participant, My response, the factor that causes payments up to two months at a time, is because weekly payments are too low in BTC for participants, can't be sent, high fees, higher shipping costs than income, maybe.

In my opinion, you should ask @CBs directly, the real situation, of course my talk doesn't touch on the neutral left by: @The Pharmacist, that's another story, he knows better to turn negative to neutral.

I would actually prefer payments to be sent in a lump sum but that is not the case. Every few weeks they send separate payments for each week that was due. When I first started in the campaign I was earning like 5k sats or less per week and would spend a lot in fees to consolidate those dust amounts. The mempool was more congested back then so at 1 sat/byte fee sometimes it would never confirm and had to make the fee higher.
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I’m happy to give lightlord neg trust if he doesn’t pay in the next 2-3 weeks.

Reading through the replies since my post of yesterday, I was going to give lightlord negative/distrust today, but I'll err on the side of caution and give them the benefit of the doubt as LFC_Bitcoin has done and wait until the 31st of October to proceed with that course of action, unless lightlord makes a statement prior to that date.

Props to Foxpup and DarkStar_, by the way. 

Neither of whom have participated in this thread - what is their connection?
legendary
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Let’s give lightlord a week or two & if he doesn’t pay up I will paint him red. What do you think?
Please remind me if I forget.

You could start a flag if you are financially affected by him (he owes you pay).

that's right, we shouldn't rush into condemnation. User @lightlord is offline for about two weeks and we don't know what is the reason for that. I don't think there is any idea of deception here, especially after many years of this campaign (As I know these are the most enduring signature campaigns)
Also, I don't want to justify the current situation, this is not the first drama of its kind when it comes to his campaigns, so it is now clear that this is negligent and unprofessional management.
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