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September 28, 2015, 10:06:49 AM

As a scientist, I'd never advise ANYONE to take the responsibility to do such a task on himself.


TPTB_need_war God bless him is incorrect in many aspects of his nutrition regime (e.g coconut, having those extreme fasting stuff, etc) but it is fully understandable he expects that with some kind of diet his body will cure the disease. We need his coin and intelligence, and I hope TPTB_need_war will be not listening to scientists like yourself
 

Clearly, you misunderstood what this is all about, maybe because you miss about the 99% of the private discussions me and TPTB_need_war had (which is none of your concern). What is truly embarrassing though, is the conjecture you're presenting while introducing a personal experience. Generalizing that ALL scientists are crooks is spurious. Believe it or not, there are people who care about others in need and have nothing to gain by offering their services or advice. I did that multiple times for different people in various fields of my expertise. Asked nothing in return (TPTB_need_war can certify my claims).

People like me are scientists because they're pretty much devoted to what they like. If you never met anyone that deserves the characterism, it's pretty clear why you derive such hostile attitude to one you happen to read a comment on the net from. Relax. We're human beings like you, we're people like you. We're earthlings like you, we had a mother and a father, just like you. But when you decided to go out to play football, we most probably were inside a dark room solving algebra equations and learning Physics.

I don't judge you for your life decisions, so please don't do the same about me. I'm sure you offered your part into creating a better world; I also think I'm doing my part too.

My best regards.

Even I mentioned my medical history, I was talking generally about the importance of proper nutrition, that's why I have quoted researches on the subject. Do your research and you will find out that - as I have mentioned it - the largest dataset of cardiovascular researches indicates that vast majority of heart diseases are due to improper nutrition. Similarly, that's the case with diabetes and high blood pressure. You seems a very intelligent scientists, and therefore you should stick to scientific methods and do your research instead of jumping to premature conclusions with regards to my experience on this matter. Yes, I know about this subject because accidently I have gone through the malarkey with doctors and scientists, but end of the day my experience is irrelevant, however the research I have quoted is very much exists.

Don't take my comment personally.

Clearly, you have a good intention, and you try to help, but in fact you do very much the opposite by giving such advises like your above. My point was that the pharmaceutical companies are very much part of the totalitarian machine, they are so powerful that their PR machine makes the mainstream media to completely ignore a) health professionals who refuse to sign up to the money machine of pharmaceuticals b) the fact that with simple nutrition measures the majority of diabetes and hearth diseases could be eliminated. If the public would understand the importance of proper diet then that would cause many billion dollars financial loss to pharmaceutical companies and consequently less donations to political parties - in the meantime that could save tenths of billions for health services in the UK and US, and more importantly millions of lives.

Terms of scientists, I have no doubt you are the noble exception, but since majority of medical research projects are funded by large pharmaceuticals, naturally what scientists say is very much determined by the framework they work in. If there is a multimillion dollars research project to improve a medicine for fixing damaged endothelial cells, then scientists can't turn around that fuck that medicine, let's just get on a plant diet and the fat deposit will completely disappear from endothelial cells within a few months, can they? The scientists just will work within a framework without questioning the very purpose of the research. It's fine, carry on if that makes you happy. In the meantime allow me to point out that there are solutions exist other than what the large pharmaceuticals offer to patients.

Take care and enjoy your scientific research - and make sure you are working on a meaningful subject and you are not wasting your talent on some corrupted initiative :-))))

legendary
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September 28, 2015, 09:07:51 AM

As a scientist, I'd never advise ANYONE to take the responsibility to do such a task on himself.


TPTB_need_war God bless him is incorrect in many aspects of his nutrition regime (e.g coconut, having those extreme fasting stuff, etc) but it is fully understandable he expects that with some kind of diet his body will cure the disease. We need his coin and intelligence, and I hope TPTB_need_war will be not listening to scientists like yourself
 

Clearly, you misunderstood what this is all about, maybe because you miss about the 99% of the private discussions me and TPTB_need_war had (which is none of your concern). What is truly embarrassing though, is the conjecture you're presenting while introducing a personal experience. Generalizing that ALL scientists are crooks is spurious. Believe it or not, there are people who care about others in need and have nothing to gain by offering their services or advice. I did that multiple times for different people in various fields of my expertise. Asked nothing in return (TPTB_need_war can certify my claims).

People like me are scientists because they're pretty much devoted to what they like. If you never met anyone that deserves the characterism, it's pretty clear why you derive such hostile attitude to one you happen to read a comment on the net from (PLEASE read the whole text of mine down to the last paragraph, you will understand how wrong you are). Relax. We're human beings like you, we're people like you. We're earthlings like you, we had a mother and a father, just like you. But when you decided to go out to play football, we most probably were inside a dark room solving algebra equations and learning Physics.

I don't judge you for your life decisions, so please don't do the same about me. I'm sure you offered your part into creating a better world; I also think I'm doing my part too.

My best regards.
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September 28, 2015, 07:27:42 AM

As a scientist, I'd never advise ANYONE to take the responsibility to do such a task on himself.


No, of course you wouldn't. Why would you realize that nutrition is everything and what you eat is what you are? Still, peoples with health issues try to find solution for their problems without using the hypes and "medicines" from the big pharmaceutical companies.

I was diagnosed with a chronic heart disease 4 years ago. The best cardiologists in the UK said this: the only solution is to a) first, get proper medication to bring the situation under control (incidentally very expensive medicines, but we know those doctors are trained by the big pharmaceuticals) b) solve the issue by having an operation. Fucking hell, this is a serious shit I said. Of course we never question what the doctors say so lets do it.
And then, I had a second thought and started to do some research. And then, I found Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn - who was a heart surgeon and carried out thousands of bypass operations before starting to question the medicine dogma of pharmaceuticals and scientists -, started to read about his theory and how heart disease is curable and very often reversible. And then I threw away the expensive medicines and went on Esselstyn's program. Read about the research and program of Esselstyn and how the largest dataset of cardiovascular researches indicates that heart disease indeed exits due to nutritional issues. ( Here is just one link that summarizes this http://nutritionstudies.org/abolishing-heart-disease/ ).

Now, as the result of refusing to listen scientists like yourself I am active again, designing software again with the productivity just like I had 25 years ago when I was a junior software developer, starting new projects, investing in all kind of nonsenses, getting back to the stock market and most importantly I avoided the medication and operation that according to the doctors were inevitable and could expand my life's expectancy by a few years (they said that a few years ago). I have built up a knowledge in nutrition that is significantly more than 99.9% of doctors will ever have - which was to be honest not a difficult task as doctors know nothing about nutritions. One things is sure: 90% of all diabetes, high blood pressure and heart cases would be completely eliminated by proper diet and of course not listening to scientists like yourself.

What you eat is what you are.

TPTB_need_war God bless him is incorrect in many aspects of his nutrition regime (e.g coconut, having those extreme fasting stuff, etc) but it is fully understandable he expects that with some kind of diet his body will cure the disease. We need his coin and intelligence, and I hope TPTB_need_war will be not listening to scientists like yourself
 

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legendary
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September 28, 2015, 06:41:34 AM
Did you make a clinical test that you have gut dysbiosis?

Did you do a clinical test to determine if that is your feces in the toilet when you stand up.  Roll Eyes

(I had an extensive post on my case history...)

I don't know how you could possibly survive without labs and medical insurance. Explains well why Greece can't break free from the EU slave masters.

Professionals have never cured a single M.S. patient. Not one.

Gut microflora and metabolism are intricately linked together. I don't think you can study them in isolation.

Edit: from your link I found this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26367776

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Dysbiosis in the Gut Microbiota of Patients with Multiple Sclerosis, with a Striking Depletion of Species Belonging to Clostridia XIVa and IV Clusters.

Analysis of the bacterial 16S ribosomal RNA (rRNA) gene by using a high-throughput culture-independent pyrosequencing method provided evidence of a moderate dysbiosis in the structure of gut microbiota in patients with MS. Furthermore, we found 21 species that showed significant differences in relative abundance between the MS20 and HC40 samples. On comparing MS samples to the 158 longitudinal HC18 samples, the differences were found to be reproducibly significant for most of the species. These taxa comprised primarily of clostridial species belonging to Clostridia clusters XIVa and IV and Bacteroidetes.
Lol you are full of hubris, no wonder why you get hammered by life so hard.

I spent decades trying to find alone what's wrong with me (because incompetent docs could not help as you describe) - I was lucky enough though to find 2 wonderful ones that did help (there are good docs you know, only children see in black & white terms).

The one was an orthopaedic who finally found I had clues for MS (I went for another reason, thought I had knee/back issues) and a very bright radiologist who found inflammation in my MRI though they were very low in the back (MRIs planned for the reason above).

So they DIAGNOSED me at last. I had written this million times - DIAGNOSIS! Can you read or your eyes are so fucked up?

Then I went to a neurologist to confirm the findings and classify me (PPMS). The treatment part I threw it in the toilet because as you say there is none (at least for PPMS, for RR copaxone is a great tool IMO).

 As for the other question I did a colonoscopisis and they got samples from my gut yes. But you know better.

I see a pattern here.

A psychiatrist could confirm this.

You need one.

And I am ignoring you.

The only reason you did not end up (yet) killing people with an automated riffle is maybe the family that raised you & your belief in God.

BB.
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September 28, 2015, 05:41:53 AM
Did you make a clinical test that you have gut dysbiosis?

Did you do a clinical test to determine if that is your feces in the toilet when you stand up.  Roll Eyes

(I had an extensive post on my case history...)

I don't know how you could possibly survive without labs and medical insurance. Explains well why Greece can't break free from the EU slave masters.

Professionals have never cured a single M.S. patient. Not one.

Gut microflora and metabolism are intricately linked together. I don't think you can study them in isolation.

Edit: from your link I found this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26367776

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Dysbiosis in the Gut Microbiota of Patients with Multiple Sclerosis, with a Striking Depletion of Species Belonging to Clostridia XIVa and IV Clusters.

Analysis of the bacterial 16S ribosomal RNA (rRNA) gene by using a high-throughput culture-independent pyrosequencing method provided evidence of a moderate dysbiosis in the structure of gut microbiota in patients with MS. Furthermore, we found 21 species that showed significant differences in relative abundance between the MS20 and HC40 samples. On comparing MS samples to the 158 longitudinal HC18 samples, the differences were found to be reproducibly significant for most of the species. These taxa comprised primarily of clostridial species belonging to Clostridia clusters XIVa and IV and Bacteroidetes.
legendary
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September 28, 2015, 05:40:57 AM
Final post on MS subject: I do believe to that gut & microbiome (hence diet) are extremely important for our health.

That does not mean I won't research other mechanisms (mainly metabolism & epigenetics).

We basically don't disagree with TPTB (keto could be a dangerous experiment if not done properly) I just want him to get professional assistance too.

Out.
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September 28, 2015, 05:38:35 AM
even if you don't believe what really saved you.

My vision got much worse since the fasting (but I don't know if it was due to the fasting or a trajectory that pre-existed). Went from 20/40 to 20/70. I lost muscle mass. My athleticism declined.

I am very skeptical that I gained anything from fasting, except lost scarce time being too low of energy to do anything much. It wasn't pleasant and I would not look forward to doing it ever again.

I think the major benefit has been to stop eating chicken, beef, and pork and focus on fish, vegetables, and moderation of white rice by eating also sweet potato for carbs. And not overdoing to carbs in any case (heck I've eaten roughly a half-cup of rice daily and half of a sweet potato past few days only and my face looks much less like a walking skeleton and my skin color and tone improved, probably also from eating the fish).

I am focused on what I can feel. I can feel my stomach aching. It is not nerve damage lie. It is aching truly. So what ever I do that eliminates or mitigates that aching and the concomitant head aching with chronic fatigue, then that is more real to me than the ad nauseum theories of academia and medical journals which jabber on and on and yet have absolutely no cases of ever curing a single M.S. patient!

legendary
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September 28, 2015, 05:31:22 AM
Effects on carbs on fatty acid metabolism:


Can you understand the implications?

And can you understand that if you have gut dysbiosis then you won't be disgesting carbohydrates properly thus leading to these sorts of cascades.

You and macsga are citing to me effects, not causes.

Many, many humans are eating carbohydrates with no problems.
Did you make a clinical test that you have gut dysbiosis?

EDIT: The post was to highlight positive effects of ketosis.
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September 28, 2015, 05:26:44 AM
Effects on carbs on fatty acid metabolism:


Can you understand the implications?

And can you understand that if you have gut dysbiosis then you won't be disgesting carbohydrates properly thus leading to these sorts of cascades.

You and macsga are citing to me effects, not causes.

Billions of humans are eating carbohydrates in moderation with no problems.
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September 28, 2015, 05:19:50 AM
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September 28, 2015, 05:12:05 AM
Can you list the symptoms? They don't look at me at all as classical MS symptoms.

All the classic symptoms of M.S....

  • Numbness sometimes from knee down, other times just hot/cold/numb feet. Sometimes very swollen feet and ankles (edema?).
  • Welts on the back of the head, when touched the pain goes deep. More than just a surface pimple. Sometimes same soreness without a welt at surface.
  • Sometimes felt the skull was numb or feeling of a wet towel draped over it.
  • In the past have tinnatus and difficulty swallowing.
  • I had at times weakness on my left leg and even my left arm.
  • Drastic reduction in my vision. Blurry vision, reduced acuity.
  • Uncontrolled muscle twitching/spasms.
  • chronic fatigue syndrome and brain fog
  • excessive (volume & frequency) and sometimes uncontrollable urination
  • lately losing my voice


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_sclerosis#Signs_and_symptoms

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A person with MS can have almost any neurological symptom or sign, with autonomic, visual, motor, and sensory problems being the most common.[1] The specific symptoms are determined by the locations of the lesions within the nervous system, and may include loss of sensitivity or changes in sensation such as tingling, pins and needles or numbness, muscle weakness, very pronounced reflexes, muscle spasms, or difficulty in moving; difficulties with coordination and balance (ataxia); problems with speech or swallowing, visual problems (nystagmus, optic neuritis or double vision), feeling tired, acute or chronic pain, and bladder and bowel difficulties, among others.[1] Difficulties thinking and emotional problems such as depression or unstable mood are also common.
legendary
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September 28, 2015, 05:05:04 AM

I quote some bullshit from that sales pitch:

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You’d get sick if you had 18 tablespoons of coconut oil, but you’ll feel great on 1 tablespoon of Brain Octane, the most potent extract of coconut oil (caprylic acid).

I eat more coconut meat than that every day. Doesn't make me feel sick at all.
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September 28, 2015, 05:02:40 AM
That's why you don't go full year on keto and you should combine keto with paleo (not very healthy to eat bacon, butter & even eggs).

Key here is to find enough carb quantity/quality/diversity so you get the good sides from keto while not compromising your health.

On why ketogenic diets are good for the nervous system (and not only) I won't do the research for you nor I have the time to dig up in my files.

Neurons are 70% made of fat.

Mitochondria.

Antioxidative properties.

Etc.

TPTB: I'm afraid I'm gonna have to say what I think it's true here and hopefully, you will have the mental flexibility to understand that my intention is not to make you feel uncomfortable OR insult you.

Epidermic googling and random searching of articles on the net won't solve a health problem, that people like me and my PhD colleagues have been doing research for decades. I understand your capacity of brains but you should understand also the obvious, which is "nobody is perfect at everything".

One good idea I'm afraid won't cut it. The transformation of a "good idea" to a scientifically proved method of resolving a complex problem like MS/Alzheimer's/Kuru, or even Cancer, requires proper research, clinical testing, and A LOT of patients. The Biology I've posted you about about fasting was a nice idea, well documented, but unfortunately, I warned you it was not gonna be a panacea towards every problem you'd had.

As a scientist, I'd never advise ANYONE to take the responsibility to do such a task on himself. Even the most prominent patient, even if he's a biologist or physician, has to take MANY precautions in order for the method to work and not turn otherwise. I remember I constantly wrote to you to go slow with no more than 3-4 days fasting, then go keto; you went through 10 days of fasting! I understood your willingness to get better, that you trusted no doctors there, that's why I proposed something that is clinically untested and frankly, STILL not scientific.

BUT, there you have it. You've managed to get it through. I'm reading with caution whatever you post about the diet you follow; I remember telling you that ketosis cannot go forever or you will be having the problem of keto-toxicosis. At some point klee stepped in and wrote exactly the same things. Living on the edge of the line thinking you can do it all by yourself, is a way to live. But taking it easy and trust somebody who is better on biology than you is better IMHO. It's alright to entrust to people. Make your own research, but elaborate and exchange ideas. Do not claim the non false. Even the Pope has backed off it.

FWIW: I'm glad you've made it. Really hope my colleagues at the university will be able to document the method and others like you will be able to overcome their problems as well... even if you don't believe what really saved you.

Regards.
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September 28, 2015, 05:01:37 AM

I quote some bullshit from that sales pitch:

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You’d get sick if you had 18 tablespoons of coconut oil, but you’ll feel great on 1 tablespoon of Brain Octane, the most potent extract of coconut oil (caprylic acid).

I eat more coconut meat than that every day. Doesn't make me feel sick at all.
legendary
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September 28, 2015, 04:55:17 AM
And why do you insist you have MS?

Can you list the symptoms? They don't look at me at all as classical MS symptoms.

Are you sure they are not something else? Even if the symptoms are MS like you should always look for confirmation.

I know there are no experts there and maybe you can't afford an MRI now (do a fundraise I will support) but it is you who shoot in the dark right now not me (referring to your PM).

Try to get serious, self diagnosis through Internet is not the best way to address this.

Please stop PMing about your research and health updates, I wish you luck with your research and health management but I don't need your lights.

Peace.

EDIT:
http://www.msdiscovery.org/
http://multiple-sclerosis-research.blogspot.com/
legendary
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September 28, 2015, 04:49:48 AM
Keto doesn't do a damn thing to stop my gut from aching which always correlates with the back of my head aching and the onslaught of CFS.

Fasting for 10 days did, because there was nothing in my gut at all. But once I put any food back in there, even just vegetables and MCT oil, the pains came back.
MCT oil? Be careful.
https://www.bulletproofexec.com/what-is-mct-oil-vs-coconut-oil/


Effects on carbs on fatty acid metabolism:


Can you understand the implications?
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September 28, 2015, 04:46:04 AM
Keto doesn't do a damn thing to stop my gut from aching which always correlates with the back of my head aching and the onslaught of CFS.

Fasting for 10 days did, because there was nothing in my gut at all. But once I put any food back in there, even just vegetables and coconut (medium-chain fatty acids) oil, the pains came back. I may have really injured the mucus lining in my gut by not eating for 10 days.
legendary
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September 28, 2015, 04:39:56 AM
That's why you don't go full year on keto and you should combine keto with paleo (not very healthy to eat bacon, butter & even eggs).

Key here is to find enough carb quantity/quality/diversity so you get the good sides from keto while not compromising your health.

On why ketogenic diets are good for the nervous system (and not only) I won't do the research for you nor I have the time to dig up in my files.

Neurons are 70% made of fat.

Mitochondria.

Antioxidative properties.

Etc.
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