Horse Racing and Gambling on it should be banned

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Quote from: stadus on May 18, 2022, 12:29:10 PM

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We also know that there are farms that specifically train these horses to become great racehorses and compete with other horses. It is wrong for the owners to treat the horses according to their wishes because that can torture the horse and lead to death. But it looks like this will continue until later because this business still provides many benefits for all parties involved.

Unfortunately, horses who gets to train on the said farms or rather called stables are the ones who are not lucky in life because their life will just be full of torture by getting whipped while running to get these horse discipline and, eventually die after a period of time where their existence has been fulfilled. I don't know how did these horse racing become a traditional gambling avenue but this won't be banned.

Horse Racing is very popular sport. And there are big whales involved in it. Putting an end to it and banning anything is not an easy task.
Also in sports many incidents happen both with humans and animal. So most of the professional take it very lightly.

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Quote from: ipanks on May 17, 2022, 09:53:32 PM

Quote from: Silberman on May 17, 2022, 04:21:18 PM

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We also know that there are farms that specifically train these horses to become great racehorses and compete with other horses. It is wrong for the owners to treat the horses according to their wishes because that can torture the horse and lead to death. But it looks like this will continue until later because this business still provides many benefits for all parties involved.

Unfortunately, horses who gets to train on the said farms or rather called stables are the ones who are not lucky in life because their life will just be full of torture by getting whipped while running to get these horse discipline and, eventually die after a period of time where their existence has been fulfilled. I don't know how did these horse racing become a traditional gambling avenue but this won't be banned.

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Quote from: Ucy on May 18, 2022, 03:52:10 AM

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I do not think that horses used in racing are abused because a tortured horse simply cannot bring its owner victory. And victory in turn is the ultimate goal pursued by the owner of the horse for which he spends a lot of money on the maintenance, education and training of the horse. I personally believe that horses used in racing are kept in much better conditions than horses used in the fields or other heavy work.

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Well, there has to be a way to train the horse through horse racing competitions without abusing them... The competitions could be beneficial to horses, the problem is the abuses. I guess qualified people could be employed to ensure they are not abused and are in good state of health before the competitions.

However, I'm actually against gambling (taking big betting risk) in horse racing competitions but in favour of betting (responsible betting).
Things have to be safe for both the horses and human bettors.

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Quote from: Silberman on May 17, 2022, 04:21:18 PM

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We also know that there are farms that specifically train these horses to become great racehorses and compete with other horses. It is wrong for the owners to treat the horses according to their wishes because that can torture the horse and lead to death. But it looks like this will continue until later because this business still provides many benefits for all parties involved.

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According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

It's pathetic to know this fact.
But, in fact, Horse Racing has always become one of the most favorite bettings in the world, moreover many big gamblers from rich people love doing betting in this Horse racing. So, this may be very hard to stop or ban this betting. You know, big business is there and we may fight with many rich people with high powers in the world, or in each country.
Those deaths are logical enough. The horse may be also treated as a human athlete who must also do some diet that will make their body healthy and fit in every race, high periods of training every day, and other pressures that of course got by the horses.

I think this is why so many people have problems with this, after all horse racing is very popular at a great deal of countries around the world, also we know that a lot of money is moving in that industry which could allow to treat racehorses as they should, because if it wasn't for racehorses then the sport will not exist at all, and yet the mistreating of racehorses continues so this is not a matter of money this is about the fact that many owners do not really care and believe that they can do whatever they want with them.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on May 16, 2022, 05:43:58 PM

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They should but, there are those governments that would also look on their own terms and understand even if the people won't speak about it. Whether they see nothing wrong with it but based on the morals of what the government can see, they'll have to act on it.
There's a legal and due process to everything and it's still the government that will tell whether a go or stop signal must be done by their initiatives.

If such petition would come into a certain extent where its already that rampant or just too big for it to get some concern then they might really be considering it out but it would only be just good on a certain

county and it wont really be that global decision because each country does have its own juridictions on things when it comes on imposing laws and regulations.

If there are places who do mind much about animal cruelty then its up to their government on what would be their taking into this scenario.

Yeah, definitely not a global decision. It's just going to be country to country unless there's a world organization like ISO. They have to put it on a standard and most countries that are part of that organization should follow that. If there's an order of disallowing it because of the cruelty that it imposes. Everyone who's part of this international body will have to obey that order so that there's going to be peace and order or any mission and vision that they have as a motto and goal.

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There can also be times when the government changes their minds. It's because it's no longer healthy not just for their citizen but also for their country.
When there's a petition like in horse racing, a movement or group files that because they're seeing the irregularities and it's no longer a normal thing to see such deaths of horses due to mistreatment.

In an ideal society, the government is the representatives of the people. If people don't like the idea of horse racing (with the associated cost of the death of racehorses) then they will give it up without any decrees or orders. But if some people consider this to be normal and others do not, then it probably cannot be banned, since the priority of human rights and not animals should still remain.

They should but, there are those governments that would also look on their own terms and understand even if the people won't speak about it. Whether they see nothing wrong with it but based on the morals of what the government can see, they'll have to act on it.
There's a legal and due process to everything and it's still the government that will tell whether a go or stop signal must be done by their initiatives.

If such petition would come into a certain extent where its already that rampant or just too big for it to get some concern then they might really be considering it out but it would only be just good on a certain

county and it wont really be that global decision because each country does have its own juridictions on things when it comes on imposing laws and regulations.

If there are places who do mind much about animal cruelty then its up to their government on what would be their taking into this scenario.

After all, the problem is that there are bets on horse racing, I'm sure if there is no form of betting in it then the horse racing tournament will still run. Because the problem is that they see a horse that dies because there is a bet that results in the horse dying, while basically the death of a horse that occurs may be purely because of the time the horse died or maybe tired from being trained too often and forced to keep running in the horse race itself. So for me personally, problems like this shouldn't be as big as death by betting, if they want to make rules then they can stop betting themselves without involving to stop the horse racing.

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This is the sad reality in the society we're living in. If the majority is siding with it, they perceive it to be good even though they know deep down that it's not. Perhaps it's conditioned in their mind that as long as they benefit from it, despite the consequences it has for others, it's all good. After all, they are not directly affected, only the animals. And this mindset is really upsetting. It's like humans have lost their empathy just for the sake of having fun and winning money.

Despite it existing so many years now, I do really hope it would be abolished together with other gambling activities and practices that hurts and put the welfare of the animals at risk. The technology and innovation is quickly advancing and we can do so many alternatives for it. Wishing they'll divert to those instead.

Ever since men stepped on this planet he is destroying the natives of this land be it animals on lands or fishes in ocean. There are many species who cease to exists just because human kill them for fun. I dont think there are many who are interested in horse racing but in gambling. Let these animals live there life just like we are living.

At some point in the near future I hope humans will realise that everything they do has a consequence for their own selves. You pollute the air? Good luck trying to keep breathing. Pollute the water? Your next sushi meal might give you cancer.

People need to finally wake up and realise that we are sitting on a rock with limited resources and life is in a very delicate balance. If we keep upsetting this balance, life will become impossible to sustain and the planet will lose its ability to regenerate the damage that we do.

In fact, we are already doing permanent damage. We need to stop NOW.

This is very well said and I appreciate seeing people who actually understand how much damage we are doing to this world and not just in regards to the environment but also in terms of animal welfare.

I absolutely can’t believe that people are still defending horse racing. It’s fucking cruel and wrong and just because so many people /countries still allow it doesn’t make it right !

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Quote from: Sirait on May 15, 2022, 11:18:12 AM

every thing that is allowed by the state (not only gambling but also investment assets) surely citizens will really believe it and think it is a normal thing, it is difficult to change that perception when the government (the group that has control over anything in a country) legalize horse racing.

Exactly. So needless to say, as long as the government say yes to something, regardless if it is seen to be questionable by the majority, it will continue to pursued and nothing could really stop that unless legal intervention happens. But maybe, just like what was stated by @passwordnow, petition powered by the movement of the citizens could change this.

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Quote from: passwordnow on May 16, 2022, 05:27:16 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on May 15, 2022, 11:59:23 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on May 15, 2022, 11:35:51 AM

There can also be times when the government changes their minds. It's because it's no longer healthy not just for their citizen but also for their country.
When there's a petition like in horse racing, a movement or group files that because they're seeing the irregularities and it's no longer a normal thing to see such deaths of horses due to mistreatment.

In an ideal society, the government is the representatives of the people. If people don't like the idea of horse racing (with the associated cost of the death of racehorses) then they will give it up without any decrees or orders. But if some people consider this to be normal and others do not, then it probably cannot be banned, since the priority of human rights and not animals should still remain.

They should but, there are those governments that would also look on their own terms and understand even if the people won't speak about it. Whether they see nothing wrong with it but based on the morals of what the government can see, they'll have to act on it.
There's a legal and due process to everything and it's still the government that will tell whether a go or stop signal must be done by their initiatives.

If such petition would come into a certain extent where its already that rampant or just too big for it to get some concern then they might really be considering it out but it would only be just good on a certain

county and it wont really be that global decision because each country does have its own juridictions on things when it comes on imposing laws and regulations.

If there are places who do mind much about animal cruelty then its up to their government on what would be their taking into this scenario.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on May 15, 2022, 11:59:23 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on May 15, 2022, 11:35:51 AM

There can also be times when the government changes their minds. It's because it's no longer healthy not just for their citizen but also for their country.
When there's a petition like in horse racing, a movement or group files that because they're seeing the irregularities and it's no longer a normal thing to see such deaths of horses due to mistreatment.

In an ideal society, the government is the representatives of the people. If people don't like the idea of horse racing (with the associated cost of the death of racehorses) then they will give it up without any decrees or orders. But if some people consider this to be normal and others do not, then it probably cannot be banned, since the priority of human rights and not animals should still remain.

They should but, there are those governments that would also look on their own terms and understand even if the people won't speak about it. Whether they see nothing wrong with it but based on the morals of what the government can see, they'll have to act on it.
There's a legal and due process to everything and it's still the government that will tell whether a go or stop signal must be done by their initiatives.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on May 15, 2022, 11:59:23 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on May 15, 2022, 11:35:51 AM

There can also be times when the government changes their minds. It's because it's no longer healthy not just for their citizen but also for their country.
When there's a petition like in horse racing, a movement or group files that because they're seeing the irregularities and it's no longer a normal thing to see such deaths of horses due to mistreatment.

In an ideal society, the government is the representatives of the people. If people don't like the idea of horse racing (with the associated cost of the death of racehorses) then they will give it up without any decrees or orders. But if some people consider this to be normal and others do not, then it probably cannot be banned, since the priority of human rights and not animals should still remain.

anyone who has heard of the story of Children being smuggled for camel race because the kids make an ideal jokey for camel.
I think this is more cruel than having a professional horse racing jokey. But what so ever different professions and different country have their own set pattern to deal with the stuff.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on May 15, 2022, 11:59:23 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on May 15, 2022, 11:35:51 AM

There can also be times when the government changes their minds. It's because it's no longer healthy not just for their citizen but also for their country.
When there's a petition like in horse racing, a movement or group files that because they're seeing the irregularities and it's no longer a normal thing to see such deaths of horses due to mistreatment.

In an ideal society, the government is the representatives of the people. If people don't like the idea of horse racing (with the associated cost of the death of racehorses) then they will give it up without any decrees or orders. But if some people consider this to be normal and others do not, then it probably cannot be banned, since the priority of human rights and not animals should still remain.

Not only on an "Ideal" society should the government represents it's people but rather it should be common sense. However, Governments rather act when the masses are against something which is the only time they act.
Also, in this case, I don't think anyone will think that it's normal for horse in these activities to be hurt or mistreated. Yes, horse racing may a norm to some people as it has been a sport long before and I highly doubt that they'll ban it but they can do something for the people who mistreated the animal involve.

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Quote from: passwordnow on May 15, 2022, 11:35:51 AM

There can also be times when the government changes their minds. It's because it's no longer healthy not just for their citizen but also for their country.
When there's a petition like in horse racing, a movement or group files that because they're seeing the irregularities and it's no longer a normal thing to see such deaths of horses due to mistreatment.

In an ideal society, the government is the representatives of the people. If people don't like the idea of horse racing (with the associated cost of the death of racehorses) then they will give it up without any decrees or orders. But if some people consider this to be normal and others do not, then it probably cannot be banned, since the priority of human rights and not animals should still remain.

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Quote from: Sirait on May 15, 2022, 11:18:12 AM

every thing that is allowed by the state (not only gambling but also investment assets) surely citizens will really believe it and think it is a normal thing, it is difficult to change that perception when the government (the group that has control over anything in a country) legalize horse racing.

There can also be times when the government changes their minds. It's because it's no longer healthy not just for their citizen but also for their country.
When there's a petition like in horse racing, a movement or group files that because they're seeing the irregularities and it's no longer a normal thing to see such deaths of horses due to mistreatment.

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Quote from: MonsterV on May 14, 2022, 08:27:41 AM

I couldn’t agree more with you. These kinds of activity continuous because they are permitted to, and unfortunately, tolerated by those who supposedly controlling the legality of any business venture in the society. And no wonder that this is being supported by the these officials because they really benefit from it. And of course, if people see that it is being permitted, then they will undoubtedly indulge it.

every thing that is allowed by the state (not only gambling but also investment assets) surely citizens will really believe it and think it is a normal thing, it is difficult to change that perception when the government (the group that has control over anything in a country) legalize horse racing.

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Quote from: Cryptock on May 15, 2022, 12:36:25 AM

and all those who indulge themselves in animal cruelty be it bullfighting, horse racing or cock fighting. They have very strong heart I must say.
They are those who can do anything for the money. I might not trust them those who put animals on stake for the sake of fun and money.

Well, you could say that, given that they could bear pursuing and supporting something even if it would mean that a part of it is not that all good. I couldn’t blame you for doubting such people, after all you won’t know what they can risk and sacrifice for the sake of having money as a benefit of closing their eyes to the reality.

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Quote from: MonsterV on May 14, 2022, 08:27:41 AM

I couldn’t agree more with you. These kinds of activity continuous because they are permitted to, and unfortunately, tolerated by those who supposedly controlling the legality of any business venture in the society. And no wonder that this is being supported by the these officials because they really benefit from it. And of course, if people see that it is being permitted, then they will undoubtedly indulge it.

and all those who indulge themselves in animal cruelty be it bullfighting, horse racing or cock fighting. They have very strong heart I must say.
They are those who can do anything for the money. I might not trust them those who put animals on stake for the sake of fun and money.

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I couldn’t agree more with you. These kinds of activity continuous because they are permitted to, and unfortunately, tolerated by those who supposedly controlling the legality of any business venture in the society. And no wonder that this is being supported by the these officials because they really benefit from it. And of course, if people see that it is being permitted, then they will undoubtedly indulge it.

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