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This is the sad reality in the society we're living in. If the majority is siding with it, they perceive it to be good even though they know deep down that it's not. Perhaps it's conditioned in their mind that as long as they benefit from it, despite the consequences it has for others, it's all good. After all, they are not directly affected, only the animals. And this mindset is really upsetting. It's like humans have lost their empathy just for the sake of having fun and winning money.

Despite it existing so many years now, I do really hope it would be abolished together with other gambling activities and practices that hurts and put the welfare of the animals at risk. The technology and innovation is quickly advancing and we can do so many alternatives for it. Wishing they'll divert to those instead.

Ever since men stepped on this planet he is destroying the natives of this land be it animals on lands or fishes in ocean. There are many species who cease to exists just because human kill them for fun. I dont think there are many who are interested in horse racing but in gambling. Let these animals live there life just like we are living.

At some point in the near future I hope humans will realise that everything they do has a consequence for their own selves. You pollute the air? Good luck trying to keep breathing. Pollute the water? Your next sushi meal might give you cancer.

People need to finally wake up and realise that we are sitting on a rock with limited resources and life is in a very delicate balance. If we keep upsetting this balance, life will become impossible to sustain and the planet will lose its ability to regenerate the damage that we do.

In fact, we are already doing permanent damage. We need to stop NOW.

Can we? This kind of gambling or hobby have been the subject of criticism for so long. Has it been abolished? No. It has been proven a number of times that the animals are made to go through trainings, diets, and overall condition that they don’t really enjoy. But why are they still allowed to operate? It is because the people who should create laws of animal welfare and implement them are the ones guilty of it.

Dog racing and fighting are still done until today. Horse racing and fighting are still done until today. Shows showcasing animals like lions, elephants, tigers, dolphins, sea lions, etc are still done and enjoyed by a lot of people despite the violence until today.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on May 14, 2022, 07:15:29 AM

Quote from: cointraderr on May 14, 2022, 05:22:51 AM

Quote from: AicecreaME on May 14, 2022, 05:17:39 AM

This is the sad reality in the society we're living in. If the majority is siding with it, they perceive it to be good even though they know deep down that it's not. Perhaps it's conditioned in their mind that as long as they benefit from it, despite the consequences it has for others, it's all good. After all, they are not directly affected, only the animals. And this mindset is really upsetting. It's like humans have lost their empathy just for the sake of having fun and winning money.

Despite it existing so many years now, I do really hope it would be abolished together with other gambling activities and practices that hurts and put the welfare of the animals at risk. The technology and innovation is quickly advancing and we can do so many alternatives for it. Wishing they'll divert to those instead.

Ever since men stepped on this planet he is destroying the natives of this land be it animals on lands or fishes in ocean. There are many species who cease to exists just because human kill them for fun. I dont think there are many who are interested in horse racing but in gambling. Let these animals live there life just like we are living.

At some point in the near future I hope humans will realise that everything they do has a consequence for their own selves. You pollute the air? Good luck trying to keep breathing. Pollute the water? Your next sushi meal might give you cancer.

There are already people who realize this and have started a campaign, but it is just a small group of people since none of us care about our environment or our world since they are still continuing deforestation and also throwing waste into our bodies of water. I think all people will realize this if something happens like a food shortage and no drinkable water. As of now, most who are knowledgeable about the environment are also scared for the next generation. What will they do if all of the resources are gone? This will continue unless all of us work together to stop climate change; we must unite as one to have an impact on our world so that our children's children can still appreciate the beauty of the earth.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on May 14, 2022, 05:17:39 AM

This is the sad reality in the society we're living in. If the majority is siding with it, they perceive it to be good even though they know deep down that it's not. Perhaps it's conditioned in their mind that as long as they benefit from it, despite the consequences it has for others, it's all good. After all, they are not directly affected, only the animals. And this mindset is really upsetting. It's like humans have lost their empathy just for the sake of having fun and winning money.

Despite it existing so many years now, I do really hope it would be abolished together with other gambling activities and practices that hurts and put the welfare of the animals at risk. The technology and innovation is quickly advancing and we can do so many alternatives for it. Wishing they'll divert to those instead.

Ever since men stepped on this planet he is destroying the natives of this land be it animals on lands or fishes in ocean. There are many species who cease to exists just because human kill them for fun. I dont think there are many who are interested in horse racing but in gambling. Let these animals live there life just like we are living.

At some point in the near future I hope humans will realise that everything they do has a consequence for their own selves. You pollute the air? Good luck trying to keep breathing. Pollute the water? Your next sushi meal might give you cancer.

People need to finally wake up and realise that we are sitting on a rock with limited resources and life is in a very delicate balance. If we keep upsetting this balance, life will become impossible to sustain and the planet will lose its ability to regenerate the damage that we do.

In fact, we are already doing permanent damage. We need to stop NOW.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on May 14, 2022, 05:17:39 AM

This is the sad reality in the society we're living in. If the majority is siding with it, they perceive it to be good even though they know deep down that it's not. Perhaps it's conditioned in their mind that as long as they benefit from it, despite the consequences it has for others, it's all good. After all, they are not directly affected, only the animals. And this mindset is really upsetting. It's like humans have lost their empathy just for the sake of having fun and winning money.

Despite it existing so many years now, I do really hope it would be abolished together with other gambling activities and practices that hurts and put the welfare of the animals at risk. The technology and innovation is quickly advancing and we can do so many alternatives for it. Wishing they'll divert to those instead.

Ever since men stepped on this planet he is destroying the natives of this land be it animals on lands or fishes in ocean. There are many species who cease to exists just because human kill them for fun. I dont think there are many who are interested in horse racing but in gambling. Let these animals live there life just like we are living.

Well not all man are destroying the planet we live in. Most humans who hunts animals are mainly because of foods, money and survival. But, yes, you're right, the main reason why our planet are dying is also because of humans. Just imagine how much pollution we humans are making without even contributing any to control it such as cars, factories and many more.
Anyway, as per the OP's topic about most of us humans are still continuing with these kind of activities where we bet or gamble to these poor animals. Just as AicecreaME mentioned above, we are living in a reality which we are mind conditioned that these are normal. Not only with horses but also with other animals such as cock fights, dog fights and much more. These activities has been happening way too long and might have become a norm to others but it's a good thing that animal right groups and community are contradicting it and now has a voice. We might still hope for this not to be continued and be ended on the near future as there are so much more alternative.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on May 14, 2022, 05:17:39 AM

This is the sad reality in the society we're living in. If the majority is siding with it, they perceive it to be good even though they know deep down that it's not. Perhaps it's conditioned in their mind that as long as they benefit from it, despite the consequences it has for others, it's all good. After all, they are not directly affected, only the animals. And this mindset is really upsetting. It's like humans have lost their empathy just for the sake of having fun and winning money.

Despite it existing so many years now, I do really hope it would be abolished together with other gambling activities and practices that hurts and put the welfare of the animals at risk. The technology and innovation is quickly advancing and we can do so many alternatives for it. Wishing they'll divert to those instead.

Ever since men stepped on this planet he is destroying the natives of this land be it animals on lands or fishes in ocean. There are many species who cease to exists just because human kill them for fun. I dont think there are many who are interested in horse racing but in gambling. Let these animals live there life just like we are living.

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Quote from: lalabotax on May 13, 2022, 04:50:14 PM

It's pathetic to know this fact.
But, in fact, Horse Racing has always become one of the most favorite bettings in the world, moreover many big gamblers from rich people love doing betting in this Horse racing. So, this may be very hard to stop or ban this betting. You know, big business is there and we may fight with many rich people with high powers in the world, or in each country.
Those deaths are logical enough. The horse may be also treated as a human athlete who must also do some diet that will make their body healthy and fit in every race, high periods of training every day, and other pressures that of course got by the horses.

Cant agree more. Since this is sports of rich so there is nothing we can do to stop this cruel act. Animal abuse is not only limited to horse racing, we see similar sort of abuse in cattle racing, camel racing and more. No sincere effort has been made tll date to stop this, as you said its like by big gamblers. That's sad reality of this world.

This is the sad reality in the society we're living in. If the majority is siding with it, they perceive it to be good even though they know deep down that it's not. Perhaps it's conditioned in their mind that as long as they benefit from it, despite the consequences it has for others, it's all good. After all, they are not directly affected, only the animals. And this mindset is really upsetting. It's like humans have lost their empathy just for the sake of having fun and winning money.

Despite it existing so many years now, I do really hope it would be abolished together with other gambling activities and practices that hurts and put the welfare of the animals at risk. The technology and innovation is quickly advancing and we can do so many alternatives for it. Wishing they'll divert to those instead.

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Quote from: lalabotax on May 13, 2022, 04:50:14 PM

It's pathetic to know this fact.
But, in fact, Horse Racing has always become one of the most favorite bettings in the world, moreover many big gamblers from rich people love doing betting in this Horse racing. So, this may be very hard to stop or ban this betting. You know, big business is there and we may fight with many rich people with high powers in the world, or in each country.
Those deaths are logical enough. The horse may be also treated as a human athlete who must also do some diet that will make their body healthy and fit in every race, high periods of training every day, and other pressures that of course got by the horses.

Cant agree more. Since this is sports of rich so there is nothing we can do to stop this cruel act. Animal abuse is not only limited to horse racing, we see similar sort of abuse in cattle racing, camel racing and more. No sincere effort has been made tll date to stop this, as you said its like by big gamblers. That's sad reality of this world.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

It's pathetic to know this fact.
But, in fact, Horse Racing has always become one of the most favorite bettings in the world, moreover many big gamblers from rich people love doing betting in this Horse racing. So, this may be very hard to stop or ban this betting. You know, big business is there and we may fight with many rich people with high powers in the world, or in each country.
Those deaths are logical enough. The horse may be also treated as a human athlete who must also do some diet that will make their body healthy and fit in every race, high periods of training every day, and other pressures that of course got by the horses.

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Quote from: Silberman on May 13, 2022, 03:52:53 PM

Quote from: Oceat on May 10, 2022, 06:58:13 PM

I didn't know about this but why would they do that? I thought they took care of these animals when in their ranch aren't these people doing it to continue their horse might have a chance of winning again in the future? My question is, it's like the same as how cows and chickens been manufactured.

I doubt if they would just stop this kind of gambling since they were doing it in a long time. But I don't stand with animal cruelty if the caretaker knew there was something on their horses they should not let it race smh I guess this is all about money for them. I wonder what the jockey been thinking when riding a dying horse. Huh

Racehorses owners are a mixed bag, there are owners that do in fact treat their racehorses as they should and treat them well, however there are also many owners that treat them horribly, it is those type of owners that need to be either kicked from the sport or even face charges for animal cruelty, however many owners protect their kind as they do not like the idea of strangers getting into their business, which is why practices like that still continue to our days.

Well that is the smart question - what the Jockey been thinking when riding a dying horse.
I think he would be praying for the horse to at least cross the finish line. But this is hard. Seeing the loved creature dying while your whole game depends on it.

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Quote from: Oceat on May 10, 2022, 06:58:13 PM

I didn't know about this but why would they do that? I thought they took care of these animals when in their ranch aren't these people doing it to continue their horse might have a chance of winning again in the future? My question is, it's like the same as how cows and chickens been manufactured.

I doubt if they would just stop this kind of gambling since they were doing it in a long time. But I don't stand with animal cruelty if the caretaker knew there was something on their horses they should not let it race smh I guess this is all about money for them. I wonder what the jockey been thinking when riding a dying horse. Huh

Racehorses owners are a mixed bag, there are owners that do in fact treat their racehorses as they should and treat them well, however there are also many owners that treat them horribly, it is those type of owners that need to be either kicked from the sport or even face charges for animal cruelty, however many owners protect their kind as they do not like the idea of strangers getting into their business, which is why practices like that still continue to our days.

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Quote from: arifteguhr on May 13, 2022, 06:02:53 AM

If the horsemen position the horse as not an event for victory then they will take good care of the horse, but unfortunately there are the horsemen who don't care about the condition of the horse but he just pursues the victory of the race and wins the bet on his behalf, that's too bad.

Majority of them I think are taking care of their horses.

But just like us humans, they get sicknesses, diseases at times that we're not expecting and gets old. They also get tired from what they're being used for. Let's say that there are those horsemen that don't really take care of their horses.

Are they going to allow that they will have a race and ride a horse that's not in condition? I'm against on this even I have never bet on a horse race as there's an abuse and hopefully, majority of sports that has animals will be gone.

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Quote from: gantez on May 13, 2022, 05:37:59 AM

Like anything can also cause the reason for the death of a horse or animal not only the race causing it. Horses are known for their racing ability and to be use for sports. Dying is not associated with the horse ability as the horsemen understand the way to handle them and won't allow their horse to die intentional because they want to over labour them in racing.

If the horsemen position the horse as not an event for victory then they will take good care of the horse, but unfortunately there are the horsemen who don't care about the condition of the horse but he just pursues the victory of the race and wins the bet on his behalf, that's too bad.

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Quote from: yayayo on May 13, 2022, 04:02:55 AM

I am not aware of those age limits I thought as long as the horse can still run they can still participate but I think that was not right it is good to know that they set an age limit for the horse to participate. I think the animals that died in races are just coincidences as there is no news where an animals died consecutively during races.

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Like anything can also cause the reason for the death of a horse or animal not only the race causing it. Horses are known for their racing ability and to be use for sports. Dying is not associated with the horse ability as the horsemen understand the way to handle them and won't allow their horse to die intentional because they want to over labour them in racing.

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Quote from: delfastTions on May 12, 2022, 05:59:00 AM

I think you are wrong.
In general, on a global scale, these figures still remain at about the same level. In a single country, a reduction is possible, and even then for a short period of several years.
But in other countries, for example in the countries of the Middle East, there may simply be an increase in the number of competitions and, accordingly, an increase in these tragic deaths of animals.
I think the power of traditions is so strong that even for many decades there will not be a radical change in the situation for the better.

I agree - in middle east horse racing even the camel races are very common.
But then again these animals are the assets - they spent a lot of money on them. But at the end best comes forth.

Yes they spend a lot to take care of these animals but then those are still an animal, they can be hurt and die during the game, I don't know too much about horse racing but I think they should have a maximum age required for a horse to use in racing. They can also try to make a digital horse racing so that nobody will be hurt, they just need to program it well to avoid glitches and not fair draw. I really don't tolerate horse racing or camel racing , though some say that it is normal for a horse to be used in racing then they should create rules for it to be fair in horses.

Actually there are ages before a horse can compete, some breeders started to train horse as young as 2 years old and then reaches the animals peaked at 4-5 years old. But I have seen horses still racing beyond that age, and sometimes young horses died at the field. Some are being put to death because they are sick or have some kind of medical conditions that can't be cured like humans.

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I am not aware of those age limits I thought as long as the horse can still run they can still participate but I think that was not right it is good to know that they set an age limit for the horse to participate. I think the animals that died in races are just coincidences as there is no news where an animals died consecutively during races.

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That's right, here above, our colleagues write that there is still an age limit for animals to participate in races.
Obviously, a horse or camel must be young and strong enough to race. But the years go by and the champions gradually leave the competition. As well as athletes. And then the cause of the death of the animal may be simply old age and not a tragedy at the races.
Many racing fans, I think, have great respect for an animal that died right during the race. And in some ways it is much better than gradually dying of old age.

So maybe this cycle of life and struggle isn't so bad after all?

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Quote from: Taskford on May 12, 2022, 08:44:01 AM

Quote from: molsewid on May 12, 2022, 07:29:29 AM

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Quote from: delfastTions on May 12, 2022, 05:59:00 AM

I think you are wrong.
In general, on a global scale, these figures still remain at about the same level. In a single country, a reduction is possible, and even then for a short period of several years.
But in other countries, for example in the countries of the Middle East, there may simply be an increase in the number of competitions and, accordingly, an increase in these tragic deaths of animals.
I think the power of traditions is so strong that even for many decades there will not be a radical change in the situation for the better.

I agree - in middle east horse racing even the camel races are very common.
But then again these animals are the assets - they spent a lot of money on them. But at the end best comes forth.

Yes they spend a lot to take care of these animals but then those are still an animal, they can be hurt and die during the game, I don't know too much about horse racing but I think they should have a maximum age required for a horse to use in racing. They can also try to make a digital horse racing so that nobody will be hurt, they just need to program it well to avoid glitches and not fair draw. I really don't tolerate horse racing or camel racing , though some say that it is normal for a horse to be used in racing then they should create rules for it to be fair in horses.

That's what supposed to do by stable owners because if they didn't do anything to make their horse at its best level then they might not get a good result on their horses.

Also this kind of scenery depends if the racing league is illegal since for sure from their we can see animal cruelty since for sure there horses is not been treated very well especially if the owner lose or their horse got injured.

Being raced isnt something a form of abuse and its true that owners would really be doing their best just to make their horses to be fit and having that condition body because it would really be a
main factor for them to win a particular race.The thing i do see only some abuse is about using up other meds for enhancing its properties.
Thats why it wont really be strong argumentation about abuse because it could really be that easily to be countered or argue on how its been done whether its that too rampant
or on some cases only.

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I am very much aware where this thread stands for, as a matter of fact, there have been several organisations that has tackled animal usage for entertainment can be equivalent to animal cruelty. While this makes a lot of sense, it is ironically accepted in the society that animals are used for entertainment like racing, which thus integrated with gambling. In this sense, there must some kind of ground rules with the animals’ condition, age, and how they would be treated in the first place.

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Quote from: molsewid on May 12, 2022, 07:29:29 AM

Yes they spend a lot to take care of these animals but then those are still an animal, they can be hurt and die during the game, I don't know too much about horse racing but I think they should have a maximum age required for a horse to use in racing. They can also try to make a digital horse racing so that nobody will be hurt, they just need to program it well to avoid glitches and not fair draw. I really don't tolerate horse racing or camel racing , though some say that it is normal for a horse to be used in racing then they should create rules for it to be fair in horses.

If you think globally, what should be the ethical use of animals? Only aesthetic? So the whole industry that makes new breeds (or makes sure existing breeds don't go bad) is supposed to work for free? I can't understand the economics of such an ethical world. It seems to me that it is possible, but it is unlikely that there will be as many horses as there are now (and are used in various fields).

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Quote from: davis196 on May 11, 2022, 12:32:18 AM

It must be horrible to see a horse dying after a race,but I don't think that banning gambling on horse racing would solve the problem.
If such ban happens,the entire horse racing gambling industry would just continue to exist under the shadows,without any regulations and probably under the control of some mobsters.Things might get even worse.
Many human athletes also get doping and this ruins their health after they retire from their professional careers.Should we ban all sports because of this?Do you think that a global sports betting ban over all professional sports would solve the problem?I don't think so.

Not a horrible moment but it was a touching moment because the horse still manage to do his duty well even on his last breath. Horse deaths will still be inevitable even if they ban horse racing or gambling over it but at least they will mostly die in a natural way. They won't suffer, drugged or any forms of abuse. There are also less tendency that people will lose money or they will become addicted on gambling.

If the ban law is passed and someone will still operate illegally then they are going to be punished when some authorities caught them. Government forces are more stronger than the mobsters anyway. Why will they get scared?

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