Horse Racing and Gambling on it should be banned - page 3.

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Quote from: delfastTions on May 12, 2022, 05:59:00 AM

I think you are wrong.
In general, on a global scale, these figures still remain at about the same level. In a single country, a reduction is possible, and even then for a short period of several years.
But in other countries, for example in the countries of the Middle East, there may simply be an increase in the number of competitions and, accordingly, an increase in these tragic deaths of animals.
I think the power of traditions is so strong that even for many decades there will not be a radical change in the situation for the better.

I agree - in middle east horse racing even the camel races are very common.
But then again these animals are the assets - they spent a lot of money on them. But at the end best comes forth.

Yes they spend a lot to take care of these animals but then those are still an animal, they can be hurt and die during the game, I don't know too much about horse racing but I think they should have a maximum age required for a horse to use in racing. They can also try to make a digital horse racing so that nobody will be hurt, they just need to program it well to avoid glitches and not fair draw. I really don't tolerate horse racing or camel racing , though some say that it is normal for a horse to be used in racing then they should create rules for it to be fair in horses.

That's what supposed to do by stable owners because if they didn't do anything to make their horse at its best level then they might not get a good result on their horses.

Also this kind of scenery depends if the racing league is illegal since for sure from their we can see animal cruelty since for sure there horses is not been treated very well especially if the owner lose or their horse got injured.

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Oh God - 3 deaths in the a day and such a big amount of pain killers.
The world needs to wake up and stop animal cruelty. May to world realize that this is brutal and it need to be stoped right away.

That's what happens to horse racing betting and we don't know what happens to bet using other animals. I don't think the result will be far from betting on horse racing because every animal used for betting will definitely be given training or take drugs to increase stamina.

That's why bets using animals are slowly being reduced and will eventually be eliminated because it's no longer appropriate in this day and age. There are many other things that can be used as a bet and humans can certainly find something different to bet on.

I think those who depend on horse race have given the best to the horse. For them the horses are their life lives.
They would not afford to lose their horse. But then again natural situation are not in anyone's control. Only the fittest survive be it man or animal.

You’re a fucking moron scumbag who’s supporting a scam with your signature. Go fuck off scumbag. There is absolutely nothing okay with horse racing.

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Quote from: delfastTions on May 12, 2022, 05:59:00 AM

I think you are wrong.
In general, on a global scale, these figures still remain at about the same level. In a single country, a reduction is possible, and even then for a short period of several years.
But in other countries, for example in the countries of the Middle East, there may simply be an increase in the number of competitions and, accordingly, an increase in these tragic deaths of animals.
I think the power of traditions is so strong that even for many decades there will not be a radical change in the situation for the better.

I agree - in middle east horse racing even the camel races are very common.
But then again these animals are the assets - they spent a lot of money on them. But at the end best comes forth.

Yes they spend a lot to take care of these animals but then those are still an animal, they can be hurt and die during the game, I don't know too much about horse racing but I think they should have a maximum age required for a horse to use in racing. They can also try to make a digital horse racing so that nobody will be hurt, they just need to program it well to avoid glitches and not fair draw. I really don't tolerate horse racing or camel racing , though some say that it is normal for a horse to be used in racing then they should create rules for it to be fair in horses.

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Quote from: bitgov on May 12, 2022, 04:43:19 AM

I think those who depend on horse race have given the best to the horse. For them the horses are their life lives.
They would not afford to lose their horse. But then again natural situation are not in anyone's control. Only the fittest survive be it man or animal.

Not necessarily. I may be on the side which approves of horse racing, but that doesn't mean that I turn a blind eye to the abuse that happens within it. It's a competition yes, but that's on the track. Outside of it, even if there were multiple horses that were grown and taken care of, there's absolutely no need to kill off or abuse the rest just because they didn't make the cut that the caretaker/owner want. As for death on race tracks due to accidents, well, they're called accidents for a reason.

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Quote from: delfastTions on May 12, 2022, 05:59:00 AM

I think you are wrong.
In general, on a global scale, these figures still remain at about the same level. In a single country, a reduction is possible, and even then for a short period of several years.
But in other countries, for example in the countries of the Middle East, there may simply be an increase in the number of competitions and, accordingly, an increase in these tragic deaths of animals.
I think the power of traditions is so strong that even for many decades there will not be a radical change in the situation for the better.

I agree - in middle east horse racing even the camel races are very common.
But then again these animals are the assets - they spent a lot of money on them. But at the end best comes forth.

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Quote from: michellee on May 12, 2022, 12:58:50 AM

Quote from: mm2543363580 on May 11, 2022, 12:34:05 PM

Oh God - 3 deaths in the a day and such a big amount of pain killers.
The world needs to wake up and stop animal cruelty. May to world realize that this is brutal and it need to be stoped right away.

That's what happens to horse racing betting and we don't know what happens to bet using other animals. I don't think the result will be far from betting on horse racing because every animal used for betting will definitely be given training or take drugs to increase stamina.

That's why bets using animals are slowly being reduced and will eventually be eliminated because it's no longer appropriate in this day and age. There are many other things that can be used as a bet and humans can certainly find something different to bet on.

I think you are wrong.
In general, on a global scale, these figures still remain at about the same level. In a single country, a reduction is possible, and even then for a short period of several years.
But in other countries, for example in the countries of the Middle East, there may simply be an increase in the number of competitions and, accordingly, an increase in these tragic deaths of animals.
I think the power of traditions is so strong that even for many decades there will not be a radical change in the situation for the better.

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Quote from: michellee on May 12, 2022, 12:58:50 AM

Quote from: mm2543363580 on May 11, 2022, 12:34:05 PM

Oh God - 3 deaths in the a day and such a big amount of pain killers.
The world needs to wake up and stop animal cruelty. May to world realize that this is brutal and it need to be stoped right away.

That's what happens to horse racing betting and we don't know what happens to bet using other animals. I don't think the result will be far from betting on horse racing because every animal used for betting will definitely be given training or take drugs to increase stamina.

That's why bets using animals are slowly being reduced and will eventually be eliminated because it's no longer appropriate in this day and age. There are many other things that can be used as a bet and humans can certainly find something different to bet on.

I think those who depend on horse race have given the best to the horse. For them the horses are their life lives.
They would not afford to lose their horse. But then again natural situation are not in anyone's control. Only the fittest survive be it man or animal.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on May 11, 2022, 12:34:05 PM

Oh God - 3 deaths in the a day and such a big amount of pain killers.
The world needs to wake up and stop animal cruelty. May to world realize that this is brutal and it need to be stoped right away.

That's what happens to horse racing betting and we don't know what happens to bet using other animals. I don't think the result will be far from betting on horse racing because every animal used for betting will definitely be given training or take drugs to increase stamina.

That's why bets using animals are slowly being reduced and will eventually be eliminated because it's no longer appropriate in this day and age. There are many other things that can be used as a bet and humans can certainly find something different to bet on.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on May 11, 2022, 07:45:36 AM

Amen, 110% agree with you on this. Horse racing is absolutely cruel and there is absolutely no argument against it and if you think it’s okay then I suggest you look up the facts about how cruel it is. If you still support it than FUCK YOU! The same thing can be said about dog racing and there’s a reason why dog racing has become almost completely banned here in the United States. The eastern world needs to wake the Fuck up and stop supporting so much animal cruelty. I’m absolutely fucking sick of it, especially Asia!

Oh God - 3 deaths in the a day and such a big amount of pain killers.
The world needs to wake up and stop animal cruelty. May to world realize that this is brutal and it need to be stoped right away.

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Amen, 110% agree with you on this. Horse racing is absolutely cruel and there is absolutely no argument against it and if you think it’s okay then I suggest you look up the facts about how cruel it is. If you still support it than FUCK YOU! The same thing can be said about dog racing and there’s a reason why dog racing has become almost completely banned here in the United States. The eastern world needs to especially wake the Fuck up and stop supporting so much animal cruelty. I’m absolutely fucking sick of it, especially Asia!

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You nailed it.
But many people do not care about it. They just want to have fun and money at the same time. I am not sure what goes on in the mind of horse owners. Do they really have soft heart? I doubt that.

Let alone horses, considering cock, spiders, and dogs, if they just want to make fun, they will make everyone fight just to make something to bet on. Maybe they cannot resist the old habits they have and don't care about the animals after all. When I saw the no-choice in the eyes of those animals, I translate them as cruelty and those people involved in this somehow don't have any hospitality towards those animals when they lose the game.

Romans used dogs, lions and tigers in their games and had a lot of fun watching either people slay these beasts or people being eaten. We crave blood and cruelty, that's why in many countries animal abuse still isn't punished. It's common especially in countries where animals are considered to be working machines that we're supposed to bend to our will and throw away, because god or whatever prophet said so. I'm against animal abuse of any kind, but there's a thin line between making a horse perform for the audience (jumping, parades) and racing. Should we ban all activities that involve animals, like dog agility contests and such?

But horse racing is an entirely different matter.

Somehow I agree with this since it matters on how the owner handle those horses on their stables and most provably they give proper nutrition to their racing horses because if they didn't so that for sure they will lose if they want to race the horses they have. Maybe their are some cases that horses die in the race but I think this is kinda normal knowing this horses are engaging on what they call sports.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on May 11, 2022, 02:33:17 AM

I think there is no other choice but to add drugs to increase stamina for the horses because if there is no addition like that it will make the horse become weak indeed very sad but there is no other way, I think almost all sports from animals and humans will definitely give special potions to increase stats.

But if the use of drugs is considered as a solution to increase stamina, it will be very detrimental because the horse's health can also be disrupted in the long run.
Unless the medicine uses herbal medicines that are not mixed with chemicals because we know what the consequences of using medicines that contain chemicals are.
Maybe in some countries betting on animals is prohibited while betting in other countries is not prohibited and maybe it is due to the customs and traditions of those countries.
But bets using animals should not be used anymore because we can use other media to bet.

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Quote from: Cryptock on May 09, 2022, 03:37:50 PM

You nailed it.
But many people do not care about it. They just want to have fun and money at the same time. I am not sure what goes on in the mind of horse owners. Do they really have soft heart? I doubt that.

Let alone horses, considering cock, spiders, and dogs, if they just want to make fun, they will make everyone fight just to make something to bet on. Maybe they cannot resist the old habits they have and don't care about the animals after all. When I saw the no-choice in the eyes of those animals, I translate them as cruelty and those people involved in this somehow don't have any hospitality towards those animals when they lose the game.

Romans used dogs, lions and tigers in their games and had a lot of fun watching either people slay these beasts or people being eaten. We crave blood and cruelty, that's why in many countries animal abuse still isn't punished. It's common especially in countries where animals are considered to be working machines that we're supposed to bend to our will and throw away, because god or whatever prophet said so. I'm against animal abuse of any kind, but there's a thin line between making a horse perform for the audience (jumping, parades) and racing. Should we ban all activities that involve animals, like dog agility contests and such?

As strange as it may sound, animals can die of natural causes. No one knows when or where it will happen, so consider that if an animal dies at a race, circus or any other place it does not mean that it died of cruelty.

I'm against cruelty, but you have to understand where the line is between cruelty to animals and quite natural. Personally, I think the Spanish carrida, cockfighting, dogfighting all fall under animal cruelty. But horse racing is an entirely different matter.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on May 11, 2022, 02:33:17 AM

Quote from: davis196 on May 11, 2022, 12:32:18 AM

It must be horrible to see a horse dying after a race,but I don't think that banning gambling on horse racing would solve the problem.
If such ban happens,the entire horse racing gambling industry would just continue to exist under the shadows,without any regulations and probably under the control of some mobsters.Things might get even worse.
Many human athletes also get doping and this ruins their health after they retire from their professional careers.Should we ban all sports because of this?Do you think that a global sports betting ban over all professional sports would solve the problem?I don't think so.

I think there is no other choice but to add drugs to increase stamina for the horses because if there is no addition like that it will make the horse become weak indeed very sad but there is no other way, I think almost all sports from animals and humans will definitely give special potions to increase stats.

Yes, this is what I took into consideration before, basically if we look at the situation, every sport deserves to be stopped or banned. Indeed, not many human sportsmen died, but in fact, events such as in football in the past there were several players who died on the field while the match was taking place. Whether it's due to illness or other factors, so I think that basically death in every living thing will happen, but death itself cannot be predicted. So, I think this prohibition is not quite right, because horse racing is basically still good, it's just that they make it a place to bet on making this horse racing image bad by the death of the horse itself.

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Quote from: yazher on May 11, 2022, 12:05:31 AM

Quote from: Cryptock on May 09, 2022, 03:37:50 PM

You nailed it.
But many people do not care about it. They just want to have fun and money at the same time. I am not sure what goes on in the mind of horse owners. Do they really have soft heart? I doubt that.

Let alone horses, considering cock, spiders, and dogs, if they just want to make fun, they will make everyone fight just to make something to bet on. Maybe they cannot resist the old habits they have and don't care about the animals after all. When I saw the no-choice in the eyes of those animals, I translate them as cruelty and those people involved in this somehow don't have any hospitality towards those animals when they lose the game.

Romans used dogs, lions and tigers in their games and had a lot of fun watching either people slay these beasts or people being eaten. We crave blood and cruelty, that's why in many countries animal abuse still isn't punished. It's common especially in countries where animals are considered to be working machines that we're supposed to bend to our will and throw away, because god or whatever prophet said so. I'm against animal abuse of any kind, but there's a thin line between making a horse perform for the audience (jumping, parades) and racing. Should we ban all activities that involve animals, like dog agility contests and such?

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Quote from: yazher on May 11, 2022, 12:05:31 AM

Quote from: Cryptock on May 09, 2022, 03:37:50 PM

You nailed it.
But many people do not care about it. They just want to have fun and money at the same time. I am not sure what goes on in the mind of horse owners. Do they really have soft heart? I doubt that.

Let alone horses, considering cock, spiders, and dogs, if they just want to make fun, they will make everyone fight just to make something to bet on. Maybe they cannot resist the old habits they have and don't care about the animals after all. When I saw the no-choice in the eyes of those animals, I translate them as cruelty and those people involved in this somehow don't have any hospitality towards those animals when they lose the game.

This becomes quite difficult for some people to accept because they think that there is still a lot of exploitation of animals that is still going on and maybe things like this are not considered as exploitation because they think this is a natural thing when compared to other cases of torture.
even though on the other hand things like this might be minimized with the smallest things but indeed this will also be a little difficult to happen considering that things like this are commonplace in some areas

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Quote from: davis196 on May 11, 2022, 12:32:18 AM

It must be horrible to see a horse dying after a race,but I don't think that banning gambling on horse racing would solve the problem.
If such ban happens,the entire horse racing gambling industry would just continue to exist under the shadows,without any regulations and probably under the control of some mobsters.Things might get even worse.
Many human athletes also get doping and this ruins their health after they retire from their professional careers.Should we ban all sports because of this?Do you think that a global sports betting ban over all professional sports would solve the problem?I don't think so.

I think there is no other choice but to add drugs to increase stamina for the horses because if there is no addition like that it will make the horse become weak indeed very sad but there is no other way, I think almost all sports from animals and humans will definitely give special potions to increase stats.

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Quote from: yazher on May 11, 2022, 12:05:31 AM

Quote from: Cryptock on May 09, 2022, 03:37:50 PM

You nailed it.
But many people do not care about it. They just want to have fun and money at the same time. I am not sure what goes on in the mind of horse owners. Do they really have soft heart? I doubt that.

Let alone horses, considering cock, spiders, and dogs, if they just want to make fun, they will make everyone fight just to make something to bet on. Maybe they cannot resist the old habits they have and don't care about the animals after all. When I saw the no-choice in the eyes of those animals, I translate them as cruelty and those people involved in this somehow don't have any hospitality towards those animals when they lose the game.

The owners actually care about these animals. They take good care of their health before the owners take them to it's purpose (racing, fighting, etc.) that's where animal cruelty takes into effect.
However, businesses like these has been running for quite a while already and there's nothing much we can do about it since it generates huge amount of money. Government doesn't care whether or not this unethical as long as they earn good money and taxes from it, just like how they allow cigarette even though it's harmful for the smoker and the people around him.

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It must be horrible to see a horse dying after a race,but I don't think that banning gambling on horse racing would solve the problem.
If such ban happens,the entire horse racing gambling industry would just continue to exist under the shadows,without any regulations and probably under the control of some mobsters.Things might get even worse.
Many human athletes also get doping and this ruins their health after they retire from their professional careers.Should we ban all sports because of this?Do you think that a global sports betting ban over all professional sports would solve the problem?I don't think so.

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Quote from: Cryptock on May 09, 2022, 03:37:50 PM

You nailed it.
But many people do not care about it. They just want to have fun and money at the same time. I am not sure what goes on in the mind of horse owners. Do they really have soft heart? I doubt that.

Let alone horses, considering cock, spiders, and dogs, if they just want to make fun, they will make everyone fight just to make something to bet on. Maybe they cannot resist the old habits they have and don't care about the animals after all. When I saw the no-choice in the eyes of those animals, I translate them as cruelty and those people involved in this somehow don't have any hospitality towards those animals when they lose the game.

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