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Quote from: AakZaki on November 09, 2021, 01:32:32 PM

Quote from: SirLancelot on November 08, 2021, 03:44:57 PM

Basically match-fixing is not for entertainment purposes but it is kind of rapid money making shortcut for the people who got power to manipulate the results of games.
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Match-fixing I think will always be there, it's just that maybe it's visible or not. I think it undermines a sporting order that boasts about spotify. I'm sure at the moment it's still happening and I think the culprit is a person who has very large funds. They mobilize some sports criminals with the aim of making a profit. My country also has match-fixing. Football administrators have severely punished the perpetrators and are prohibited from doing activities in the sport of football, even banned from the stadium. Most recently I also heard on local television via a talk show, if any referee contacted with an identity is given and testified that the setting of scores in football still occurs. It's really sad.

Sports are just like politicians, some of them are corrupt and its also happening in my country. Fix matching can’t be stopped, they are already here even if its not that visible. Just enjoy the game and place your bet only to your familiar teams since most of the teams on lower bracket are doing this kind of dirty games. I also believe that some referees are being paid for the bad calls, as long as there’s money involve its really possible.

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I think these people are bots, they message random telegram users and offer their fixed game information for money, though most of us are probably aware of this I'm sure there are still gamblers who fall for this kind of scam.

You know, it could also look real because what if their tip will hit, then most probably the gambler will try to avail again as he/she is more confident, but if the tipster will run out of luck and bet will not win, that's the time the gambler will realize he was only fooled, too late.

That's a possibility, of course. You know, there is a fraudulent scheme performed by some sophisticated scammers: they offer to return your money back if it didn't work out. And they deliver on their promise! This way can be milking their victims for all eternity. What's more is that they(victims) tell their friends about "fairness" of the scammers, and some of their friends join in as well.

Oh well, that's really the case and they will keep multiplying thinking that scammers are really serious about the business, some of them will allow you to win, but in the long-run when you already attached and you already entrusted your money, suddenly it will turn against you and everything that you are enjoying will be replaced by big regrets following those people.

Be wise and not to fall from this kind of offer. It' always better to play with your own understanding and if you really want to go deeper, best to work on your knowledge and keep digging to gain more important information.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on November 08, 2021, 03:44:57 PM

Basically match-fixing is not for entertainment purposes but it is kind of rapid money making shortcut for the people who got power to manipulate the results of games.
~snip~

Match-fixing I think will always be there, it's just that maybe it's visible or not. I think it undermines a sporting order that boasts about spotify. I'm sure at the moment it's still happening and I think the culprit is a person who has very large funds. They mobilize some sports criminals with the aim of making a profit. My country also has match-fixing. Football administrators have severely punished the perpetrators and are prohibited from doing activities in the sport of football, even banned from the stadium. Most recently I also heard on local television via a talk show, if any referee contacted with an identity is given and testified that the setting of scores in football still occurs. It's really sad.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 03, 2021, 06:43:40 AM

Quote from: Vaskiy on October 31, 2021, 06:54:07 PM

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Looking upon the sporting industry from the outside it looks like very legit, but more and more forms of corruption is paving path. It is shocking to read a news mentioning about the increase of suspicions to 1100 since the pandemic start. Particularly the football sporting is at high risk on corruption. 655 cases recorded in the last nine months. So we can't say match fixing is not there anymore.

Source : Match-fixing suspicions raised in 1,100 cases since pandemic’s start

really interesting, thanks for linking this article!
now, I'm curious on how they detected it?
some whistleblower? game analysis somehow? other methods?

must be not so easy to check if a match was fixed or not.

This is one of the challenges in match-fixing on how you could prove that such event did happen. One might argue that the opposing team might have a 'bad day' as to their performance but a proper investigation and comparison of their old games can be used to determine if they are intentionally throwing the match or not.

Like what I previously posted and shared, there was a match involving two (2) basketball teams where the other team was intentionally throwing the game (e.g. giving fouls, shooting airballs, turnovers, etc.) and it was investigated and proved that they intentionally did it. Another thing, most match-fixing happens on a small and niche community where the teams are comfortable enough to do it due to the relaxed security and supervision.

Such investigations usually take long time as they need to carefully gather possible evidences, witnesses and other factors that may have contributed the fixed-match situation. They need to verify the validity of the information as well. So these cases are not easy to resolve because they need to be really sure that match-fixing did happen. Because it will ruin the career of the athletes involved and also those organizations or personnel that took part with the situation.

While true those investigations also take a lot of time because the investigators are doing their best to hide the worst aspects of the cheating scandal, most of the time the one that investigates a cheating scandal is not the police but the sport association, do you really think they want to expose their sport as being full of cheaters and that the results people thought legitimate are for the most part fake? If they did that they will lose their audience, so they just let a small amount of the cheating reach the ears of the public, punish a small number of people to make it seem as if they are doing something and then they try to make people forget about all what happened.

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Quote from: Kasabus on November 05, 2021, 08:46:14 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on November 05, 2021, 04:51:39 AM

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I think these people are bots, they message random telegram users and offer their fixed game information for money, though most of us are probably aware of this I'm sure there are still gamblers who fall for this kind of scam.

You know, it could also look real because what if their tip will hit, then most probably the gambler will try to avail again as he/she is more confident, but if the tipster will run out of luck and bet will not win, that's the time the gambler will realize he was only fooled, too late.

That's a possibility, of course. You know, there is a fraudulent scheme performed by some sophisticated scammers: they offer to return your money back if it didn't work out. And they deliver on their promise! This way can be milking their victims for all eternity. What's more is that they(victims) tell their friends about "fairness" of the scammers, and some of their friends join in as well.

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Quote from: ReiMomo on November 08, 2021, 02:04:50 PM

Though its going to be really fun in knowing which team is planned to win and to bet on it and gain profits, Its not really fair in fixing a game so.

There's no fun on it if there are people who actually know the game has already been fixed and sold. Poor those bettors that are hoping to get a win with that match not knowing that it's already been sold. Profit to those who know but a bad thing for those that have no idea that the game is fixed.

Quote from: ReiMomo on November 08, 2021, 02:04:50 PM

I remember, it happened in Cricket and many were warned and given penalty as well. Since, its money involved, everyone who bets on, will not be happy to know if the match was fixed. Unless and until the information is leaked out, its going to be very entertaining.

If there's a sports commission and organization that are handling these tournaments and games, hopefully they'll impose a lifetime ban to those that will be involved to any fix match.

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Quote from: ReiMomo on November 08, 2021, 02:04:50 PM

Though its going to be really fun in knowing which team is planned to win and to bet on it and gain profits, Its not really fair in fixing a game so. I remember, it happened in Cricket and many were warned and given penalty as well. Since, its money involved, everyone who bets on, will not be happy to know if the match was fixed. Unless and until the information is leaked out, its going to be very entertaining.

Basically match-fixing is not for entertainment purposes but it is kind of rapid money making shortcut for the people who got power to manipulate the results of games. Honestly I never prefer to bet in fixed matches even I got many opportunities to bet on such matches. Because, in my country match fixing is severely prohibited and participating anything related to that will be treated as big offensive. So, instead of risking my life just for few dollars of profits, I just decided to stay away from that always.

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Though its going to be really fun in knowing which team is planned to win and to bet on it and gain profits, Its not really fair in fixing a game so. I remember, it happened in Cricket and many were warned and given penalty as well. Since, its money involved, everyone who bets on, will not be happy to know if the match was fixed. Unless and until the information is leaked out, its going to be very entertaining.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on November 08, 2021, 01:20:06 PM

The most likely way to find fixed matches comes probably from those that fixed the matches, people love to talk and brag about what they do and if they can fix an important match they will want to share that with someone.

Eventually this information reaches the wrong person and the authorities finally find out about it, however those are only suspicions, there are probably way more cases but since there is no direct evidence then this is something really difficult to prove, which is why we see a scandal every single time a case can in fact be proven and we find out a series of matches were fixed.

Some cases happened and being proven in a small league, I remember a basketball game where an obvious act of fixing the game was done.

The league organizer imposed removal of the players who are involved, permanently banned them from playing again in any teams that the league has,

It's really happening and if there's a deeper investigation probably even in much bigger sports, they will find a kind of activities that happening around.

But until now, we are not hearing any good or strong evidence that will bring someone out of this illegal business.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 03, 2021, 06:43:40 AM

Quote from: Vaskiy on October 31, 2021, 06:54:07 PM

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Looking upon the sporting industry from the outside it looks like very legit, but more and more forms of corruption is paving path. It is shocking to read a news mentioning about the increase of suspicions to 1100 since the pandemic start. Particularly the football sporting is at high risk on corruption. 655 cases recorded in the last nine months. So we can't say match fixing is not there anymore.

Source : Match-fixing suspicions raised in 1,100 cases since pandemic’s start

really interesting, thanks for linking this article!
now, I'm curious on how they detected it?
some whistleblower? game analysis somehow? other methods?

must be not so easy to check if a match was fixed or not.

The most likely way to find fixed matches comes probably from those that fixed the matches, people love to talk and brag about what they do and if they can fix an important match they will want to share that with someone.

Eventually this information reaches the wrong person and the authorities finally find out about it, however those are only suspicions, there are probably way more cases but since there is no direct evidence then this is something really difficult to prove, which is why we see a scandal every single time a case can in fact be proven and we find out a series of matches were fixed.

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Quote from: molsewid on November 07, 2021, 05:55:58 PM

Usually unpopular sports like local sports draws a little attention than those in big sports and most probably fixed matches will be likely real in this category of sports. Like what you've mentioned mate big and known sports have the media and people's eyeing the anticipated event so in most cases those players in this type of game are a well skilled player so definitely it would be hard to fixed a match of this type of game. However, either fixed matches happen on a small spots event or in a big event it shouldn't be tolerated because the probable victims are those bettor who don't have any idea about it.

I agree!

That kind of business should not be tolerated, and if there're rumors about it, the league or organization who are involved in this kind of activities should held investigations a deeper one that will prevent the reputation of their organization at risk.

There are people who continue to believe that they'll be able to find someone/insider that will give them big benefits.

But in the end those kinds of people only brought big losses and regretful actions that they've taken. B very wise and instead, play with luck and do your proper research in each game that you'll going to participate and bet.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on October 18, 2021, 08:48:30 AM

I was with a friend today who was in a hurry to place his bet on some numbers that were sent to him for some football matches that he believes are fixed. I'm a bit confused how fixed matches work.

Are fixed matches real? Do the coach and players of teams were matches have been fixed, do they consent to it? If you were in a team were your next fixture has been fixed, what will be your reaction?

My area of interest is cricket, so I will talk from that prespective. Yes in cricket, match fixing is real and there are many instances where players were caught red handed. There are not many instance of match fixing in 60s, 70 and 80s. As cricket start growing in terms of money , we start seeing instances of match fixing. First one which I remember was of South Africa Captain Hansie Cronje. On this day in 2000: Hansie Cronje sacked over match-fixing scandal

Yes cricket is one of the most corrupt game from many perspective as this was being rigged for long time now. there are more proofs and even involved people that speaks out already .
so this has been one of the irresponsible sports to bet in , let us not gamble inside gambling , just Bet and enjoy and never give consent in cheating.

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Quote from: 24Kt on November 07, 2021, 06:32:46 PM

Quote from: qwertyup23 on November 07, 2021, 06:24:16 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 03, 2021, 06:43:40 AM

Quote from: Vaskiy on October 31, 2021, 06:54:07 PM

<...>
Looking upon the sporting industry from the outside it looks like very legit, but more and more forms of corruption is paving path. It is shocking to read a news mentioning about the increase of suspicions to 1100 since the pandemic start. Particularly the football sporting is at high risk on corruption. 655 cases recorded in the last nine months. So we can't say match fixing is not there anymore.

Source : Match-fixing suspicions raised in 1,100 cases since pandemic’s start

really interesting, thanks for linking this article!
now, I'm curious on how they detected it?
some whistleblower? game analysis somehow? other methods?

must be not so easy to check if a match was fixed or not.

This is one of the challenges in match-fixing on how you could prove that such event did happen. One might argue that the opposing team might have a 'bad day' as to their performance but a proper investigation and comparison of their old games can be used to determine if they are intentionally throwing the match or not.

Like what I previously posted and shared, there was a match involving two (2) basketball teams where the other team was intentionally throwing the game (e.g. giving fouls, shooting airballs, turnovers, etc.) and it was investigated and proved that they intentionally did it. Another thing, most match-fixing happens on a small and niche community where the teams are comfortable enough to do it due to the relaxed security and supervision.

Such investigations usually take long time as they need to carefully gather possible evidences, witnesses and other factors that may have contributed the fixed-match situation. They need to verify the validity of the information as well. So these cases are not easy to resolve because they need to be really sure that match-fixing did happen. Because it will ruin the career of the athletes involved and also those organizations or personnel that took part with the situation.

Another reason for the delay in such investigations is that money is being used to change the descsion or hide the victims who have been involved in match fixing.
If found guilty, it can ruin the career of the player and at the same time it is an embarsement for the country, so they try their best to keep and resolve the matter under the table.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on November 07, 2021, 06:24:16 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 03, 2021, 06:43:40 AM

Quote from: Vaskiy on October 31, 2021, 06:54:07 PM

<...>
Looking upon the sporting industry from the outside it looks like very legit, but more and more forms of corruption is paving path. It is shocking to read a news mentioning about the increase of suspicions to 1100 since the pandemic start. Particularly the football sporting is at high risk on corruption. 655 cases recorded in the last nine months. So we can't say match fixing is not there anymore.

Source : Match-fixing suspicions raised in 1,100 cases since pandemic’s start

really interesting, thanks for linking this article!
now, I'm curious on how they detected it?
some whistleblower? game analysis somehow? other methods?

must be not so easy to check if a match was fixed or not.

This is one of the challenges in match-fixing on how you could prove that such event did happen. One might argue that the opposing team might have a 'bad day' as to their performance but a proper investigation and comparison of their old games can be used to determine if they are intentionally throwing the match or not.

Like what I previously posted and shared, there was a match involving two (2) basketball teams where the other team was intentionally throwing the game (e.g. giving fouls, shooting airballs, turnovers, etc.) and it was investigated and proved that they intentionally did it. Another thing, most match-fixing happens on a small and niche community where the teams are comfortable enough to do it due to the relaxed security and supervision.

Such investigations usually take long time as they need to carefully gather possible evidences, witnesses and other factors that may have contributed the fixed-match situation. They need to verify the validity of the information as well. So these cases are not easy to resolve because they need to be really sure that match-fixing did happen. Because it will ruin the career of the athletes involved and also those organizations or personnel that took part with the situation.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 03, 2021, 06:43:40 AM

Quote from: Vaskiy on October 31, 2021, 06:54:07 PM

<...>
Looking upon the sporting industry from the outside it looks like very legit, but more and more forms of corruption is paving path. It is shocking to read a news mentioning about the increase of suspicions to 1100 since the pandemic start. Particularly the football sporting is at high risk on corruption. 655 cases recorded in the last nine months. So we can't say match fixing is not there anymore.

Source : Match-fixing suspicions raised in 1,100 cases since pandemic’s start

really interesting, thanks for linking this article!
now, I'm curious on how they detected it?
some whistleblower? game analysis somehow? other methods?

must be not so easy to check if a match was fixed or not.

This is one of the challenges in match-fixing on how you could prove that such event did happen. One might argue that the opposing team might have a 'bad day' as to their performance but a proper investigation and comparison of their old games can be used to determine if they are intentionally throwing the match or not.

Like what I previously posted and shared, there was a match involving two (2) basketball teams where the other team was intentionally throwing the game (e.g. giving fouls, shooting airballs, turnovers, etc.) and it was investigated and proved that they intentionally did it. Another thing, most match-fixing happens on a small and niche community where the teams are comfortable enough to do it due to the relaxed security and supervision.

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Quote from: Fredomago on November 07, 2021, 05:26:59 PM

If you do that in a big sport where people can easily detect if you intentionally did such mistakes you'll be questionable, fixed games mostly happened with small / unpopular competitions, money can manipulate those on the lower leagues, while with big leagues and popular sports, medias are everywhere a mistake will surely be eyed for questioning and players/teams are all liable if proven.

Most of those professional stars are fully aware of the consequences in case involvement with kind of illegal things has been proven.,

A tough call for them as they will risk their fame and reliability just for the sake of some money, unless it's worth taking everything for granted. Roll Eyes

Usually unpopular sports like local sports draws a little attention than those in big sports and most probably fixed matches will be likely real in this category of sports. Like what you've mentioned mate big and known sports have the media and people's eyeing the anticipated event so in most cases those players in this type of game are a well skilled player so definitely it would be hard to fixed a match of this type of game. However, either fixed matches happen on a small spots event or in a big event it shouldn't be tolerated because the probable victims are those bettor who don't have any idea about it.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on October 18, 2021, 08:48:30 AM

I was with a friend today who was in a hurry to place his bet on some numbers that were sent to him for some football matches that he believes are fixed. I'm a bit confused how fixed matches work.

Are fixed matches real? Do the coach and players of teams were matches have been fixed, do they consent to it? If you were in a team were your next fixture has been fixed, what will be your reaction?

They are most definitely real but chances are they only affect a very small percentage of any professional sports league. If you can imagine that professional players are meant to be the very best and are hired based on that skillset, yet the main way of rigging a competition would be to intentionally lose. If you keep losing as both an individual or a team player then eventually you will end up competing only in the lower and less profitable ranks of the game. It is usually pretty obvious when teams or solo players have intentionally attempted to rig a game, because they are usually favorites and have to make some rather silly mistakes in their usually solid game play to let the opponent win, if you do that enough times it comes under a lot of scrutiny.

If you do that in a big sport where people can easily detect if you intentionally did such mistakes you'll be questionable, fixed games mostly happened with small / unpopular competitions, money can manipulate those on the lower leagues, while with big leagues and popular sports, medias are everywhere a mistake will surely be eyed for questioning and players/teams are all liable if proven.

Most of those professional stars are fully aware of the consequences in case involvement with kind of illegal things has been proven.,

A tough call for them as they will risk their fame and reliability just for the sake of some money, unless it's worth taking everything for granted. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 31, 2021, 03:01:55 PM

in my opinion is better to avoid trying to "cheat" and game the system for a personal gain

I agree in spirit but you can't win in the long term without cheating. Gambling doesn't work that way.

Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 31, 2021, 03:01:55 PM

there are so many ways to make money without fooling someone or having to rely on a "hot tip" that may be a scam...

Yeah that's called working.

People don't understand that gambling is for fun. It is not about making money. Not for you anyways. That's job of the casino owner Wink

depends on the game, but it's definitely harder to win when odds are against you

well, there are passive income strategies that aren't exactly work too, but yes, working is a good way to make money

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 31, 2021, 03:01:55 PM

in my opinion is better to avoid trying to "cheat" and game the system for a personal gain

I agree in spirit but you can't win in the long term without cheating. Gambling doesn't work that way.

Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 31, 2021, 03:01:55 PM

there are so many ways to make money without fooling someone or having to rely on a "hot tip" that may be a scam...

Yeah that's called working.

People don't understand that gambling is for fun. It is not about making money. Not for you anyways. That's job of the casino owner Wink

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Quote from: Rruchi man on October 18, 2021, 08:48:30 AM

I was with a friend today who was in a hurry to place his bet on some numbers that were sent to him for some football matches that he believes are fixed. I'm a bit confused how fixed matches work.

Are fixed matches real? Do the coach and players of teams were matches have been fixed, do they consent to it? If you were in a team were your next fixture has been fixed, what will be your reaction?

They are most definitely real but chances are they only affect a very small percentage of any professional sports league. If you can imagine that professional players are meant to be the very best and are hired based on that skillset, yet the main way of rigging a competition would be to intentionally lose. If you keep losing as both an individual or a team player then eventually you will end up competing only in the lower and less profitable ranks of the game. It is usually pretty obvious when teams or solo players have intentionally attempted to rig a game, because they are usually favorites and have to make some rather silly mistakes in their usually solid game play to let the opponent win, if you do that enough times it comes under a lot of scrutiny.

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