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Quote from: crzy on October 31, 2021, 04:54:42 PM

Quote from: timerland on October 31, 2021, 04:16:30 PM

Quote from: romero121 on October 31, 2021, 02:10:16 PM

Those are days when fixed matches are very common around in all sports. Now this has decreased a lot, due to the technology advancement. Earlier small signs were noted for fixed matches. With the present technology uplifting it is easy to identify these activities of players. Once I participated in such a match, and won the game. During the year around 2000 match fixing was quite common in most of the sports.

I would disagree with this.

I don't think that the incidence of fixed matches have necessarily decreased because of technology advancement.

That is quite naive to assume. Technology works in the favour of both the fraudsters and the enforcing authority, not just the latter. What makes you think that the fraudsters didn't become better at predetermining outcomes to avoid detection?

Technology helps them to become more advance and for sure they are taking advantage of this to fool people so for me as well, fixed matches are still here and honestly they grow a lot compare before. Well you can check it on your own so you can know where to place a bet and see if you are into a fixed matches or not, its hard to notice but its there most of the time.

You'll only know there's a fixed match happening if you have info, if not, then you have no idea if such game is fixed or rigged as they act like real actors when they are playing, and also, let's put in mind that not everyone on the floor or on the court knows the game is rigged, sometimes officials do take control of the outcome by using the referees of the game.

This fixed game thing is not new in the sports betting industry, before I started to learn sports betting, I already read about the theory of sports rigged and I am convinced that it's happening once I become more mature being a gambler.

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Quote from: timerland on October 31, 2021, 04:16:30 PM

Quote from: romero121 on October 31, 2021, 02:10:16 PM

Those are days when fixed matches are very common around in all sports. Now this has decreased a lot, due to the technology advancement. Earlier small signs were noted for fixed matches. With the present technology uplifting it is easy to identify these activities of players. Once I participated in such a match, and won the game. During the year around 2000 match fixing was quite common in most of the sports.

I would disagree with this.

I don't think that the incidence of fixed matches have necessarily decreased because of technology advancement.

That is quite naive to assume. Technology works in the favour of both the fraudsters and the enforcing authority, not just the latter. What makes you think that the fraudsters didn't become better at predetermining outcomes to avoid detection?

Technology helps them to become more advance and for sure they are taking advantage of this to fool people so for me as well, fixed matches are still here and honestly they grow a lot compare before. Well you can check it on your own so you can know where to place a bet and see if you are into a fixed matches or not, its hard to notice but its there most of the time.

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Quote from: romero121 on October 31, 2021, 02:10:16 PM

Those are days when fixed matches are very common around in all sports. Now this has decreased a lot, due to the technology advancement. Earlier small signs were noted for fixed matches. With the present technology uplifting it is easy to identify these activities of players. Once I participated in such a match, and won the game. During the year around 2000 match fixing was quite common in most of the sports.

I would disagree with this.

I don't think that the incidence of fixed matches have necessarily decreased because of technology advancement.

That is quite naive to assume. Technology works in the favour of both the fraudsters and the enforcing authority, not just the latter. What makes you think that the fraudsters didn't become better at predetermining outcomes to avoid detection?

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One of the most common reason on why people do still fall for this kind of scam or illusion that you do say is that they do tend to believe
that easy bets do exist or some sort of exploit or leakage which do actually exist but scammers or fraudsters do make use it as for them to be able to scam people but if you do just realize on how things works then you could really avoid and just simply stick with your own decisions and jurisdictions on things and not relying with these lies.

yes, scammers are also usually good at persuasion and use mental triggers to make you act without thinking
urgency and scarcity are commons ones
it's interesting because if you study marketing and behavior you learn a lot about social engineering too

This could possibly happen, it's a 50:50 as well, it could be either a lie or a truth, but yes, I definitely agree that you must stick on your jurisdiction about on a certain match because a great research is much better than an information about the match is fixed. This situation is very tricky though, since you'll have second thoughts on what you're gonna do in order to win.

in my opinion is better to avoid trying to "cheat" and game the system for a personal gain
there are so many ways to make money without fooling someone or having to rely on a "hot tip" that may be a scam...

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Quote from: mv1986 on October 31, 2021, 10:24:51 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on October 30, 2021, 01:47:05 PM

Yeah, you can't just ignore obvious moves that shouldn't be done. You'll find it suspicious if you're going to watch that afterward and analyze the game.
You can really spot them on and can't ignore the fact that this should be done like that or this. You'll have that realization that there's something wrong if you go through and observe the game again.

Right but on the other hand we all here have surely seen some own goals where you can just shake your head because it happened as if the best striker in the world did it. At the same time you wouldn't really think that it was the result of a fixed game. There are human failures that look so spectacular that a fixed game is almost the only possibility for that to happen, but the game still wasn't fixed. It is tough to prove that an action was due to a fixed game.

I agree. There's always the case like that and we're wrong with what we've been thinking. Something is playing in our minds with those conclusions that we're ending up but it tends out that we're just overthinking. It's hard to remove in our minds when some unusual moves we have just watched. But at the end of those matches, we just have to enjoy each of them with the sports that we've been a fan of and think that none of them is involved into such sold games.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on October 30, 2021, 02:40:21 PM

Quote from: bekti3 on October 30, 2021, 01:54:26 PM

they don't really care about newbies and followers they just want to get personal gain and until now it's still very hard to stop this because of the habit of every greedy person who will do anything for his profit.
but it also really can't be completely blamed on influencers because indeed they won't get anything if there is no fomo that follows it. the problem is because the power of influencers in making them believe completely even if it is a trap.

Yeah, I have seen some influencers who are all just copy pasting what was given to them and asked to do. They never bother about the credibility of what they are promoting. Probably they will check for obvious abusing and security related things like whether content is anything related to terrorism or porn then I guess that they will be ready to publish so that their paycheck will be ready. Like someone mentioned on this forum, "life without influencers will be definitely better and less hassle at least for all crypto people"; damn true honestly.

this is a harsh reality where when they see the supporters of influencers and famous people adoring them so much, and on the other hand they don't care and only look at their own profit.
but this is the law here because indeed this is like natural selection which is the strong one who will survive here and inevitably when the weak want to survive then they must follow the strong, even though the strong one will lead us astray.
there will be no solution when they don't want to make their own way by looking for anything related to crypto or other supporting knowledge.
but this does not apply to people who really don't want to know the process and want to instant

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Those are days when fixed matches are very common around in all sports. Now this has decreased a lot, due to the technology advancement. Earlier small signs were noted for fixed matches. With the present technology uplifting it is easy to identify these activities of players. Once I participated in such a match, and won the game. During the year around 2000 match fixing was quite common in most of the sports.

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Quote from: molsewid on October 31, 2021, 09:10:46 AM

Quote from: Woodie on October 31, 2021, 06:20:06 AM

If these matches are truly fixed then only a few individuals are privileged to have access to such. And let's not forget that if someone is found in the habit of such this has hefty punishments which isn't reflected in the low subscription amounts they want to claim which is just too good to be true. And I have seen a growing trend claiming to be selling such fixed matches which I find impossible to believe because fixing a match isn't easy as many would think.

And that's for sure, there will be few individual that could accessed a winning score for the fixed match provided that they have a legit source of leaked information of fixed match. In this type of game for sure the game initiator will going to kept the true fixed score so that many individual may got to involved in betting aspects without knowing the hidden reality of the game and there's where the big risks takes place once a bettor didn't know about the fixed match and also those who have bet in a score where they don't know if the source is legit or not.

If it's true, as rumors are everywhere, only a few who have the legit access. Those people knew and understand how to play well with greedy gamblers who think that it's easy to pocket huge amount of money from these illegal activities. They somehow forecast that leaked are legit and to the point that they are selling it and promise to bring a very decent amount of profits.

In reality! those mafias also used a huge amount of money to facilitate this kind of activities, they will never share anything to ruin the business.

Unless you can also take that big risk using a huge amount of money to tie up with those people Tongue

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Quote from: judeafante on October 29, 2021, 04:12:44 AM

It's very much real, you cannot tell the difference between an upset and a fixed game, they will try to make it real because there's a big risk for them if they are caught.

If you're on the expert level of analysis for the sport that you love and are a fan of. You'll be able somehow to spot on which is a true upset and likely a thrown and sold game.
But it's true that there's difficulty in finding which of them are actually thrown because when there are fixed matches, they're likely not to do obvious things that will destroy and spot it by their fans.

Especially when you take into account that there were so blatantly obvious thrown games in the past that they now try to become more sophisticated in fixing games. I guess there is no doubt that there is still fixing going on, but there is such a vast majority of betting options these days that I believe that even plays into the hands of scammers. Fixing a game with an own goal or a penalty is really obvious, but what about a defender's mistake to kick the ball to a corner during the first five while pretending to just technically mess up. Sure it could still be suspicious, but as it might not be decisive for the game there will also be less scrutiny.

Yeah, you can't just ignore obvious moves that shouldn't be done. You'll find it suspicious if you're going to watch that afterward and analyze the game.
You can really spot them on and can't ignore the fact that this should be done like that or this. You'll have that realization that there's something wrong if you go through and observe the game again.

Right but on the other hand we all here have surely seen some own goals where you can just shake your head because it happened as if the best striker in the world did it. At the same time you wouldn't really think that it was the result of a fixed game. There are human failures that look so spectacular that a fixed game is almost the only possibility for that to happen, but the game still wasn't fixed. It is tough to prove that an action was due to a fixed game.

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Quote from: Woodie on October 31, 2021, 06:20:06 AM

If these matches are truly fixed then only a few individuals are privileged to have access to such. And let's not forget that if someone is found in the habit of such this has hefty punishments which isn't reflected in the low subscription amounts they want to claim which is just too good to be true. And I have seen a growing trend claiming to be selling such fixed matches which I find impossible to believe because fixing a match isn't easy as many would think.

And that's for sure, there will be few individual that could accessed a winning score for the fixed match provided that they have a legit source of leaked information of fixed match. In this type of game for sure the game initiator will going to kept the true fixed score so that many individual may got to involved in betting aspects without knowing the hidden reality of the game and there's where the big risks takes place once a bettor didn't know about the fixed match and also those who have bet in a score where they don't know if the source is legit or not.

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Quote from: Johnyz on October 30, 2021, 03:24:30 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on October 30, 2021, 05:02:40 AM

Quote from: judeafante on October 29, 2021, 04:12:44 AM

It's very much real, you cannot tell the difference between an upset and a fixed game, they will try to make it real because there's a big risk for them if they are caught.

If you're on the expert level of analysis for the sport that you love and are a fan of. You'll be able somehow to spot on which is a true upset and likely a thrown and sold game.
But it's true that there's difficulty in finding which of them are actually thrown because when there are fixed matches, they're likely not to do obvious things that will destroy and spot it by their fans.

Even if you are an expect you can’t know until the start of the match, we can just notice this right after so technically many bettors already placed their bets by that time, and knowing that its a fixed match it can ruin everything. This has been an issue for many boxers and matched, just place a bet that you can afford to lose always.

I still believed that some matches are fixed but the information was only limited in the higher ups and management, only limited people can really know if a certain game will be fixed. Some coaches and referees were bribed but still they can't share that information because of NDA.
But on the bottom, only scammers are present and usually they're the ones who are talkative and know how to play your mind to consider their offer. The issues were already present from the stone age until now, and unless we can't prove it, it's better to stay silent only bet what you can afford to lose.

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Quote from: Woodie on October 31, 2021, 06:20:06 AM

If these matches are truly fixed then only a few individuals are privileged to have access to such. And let's not forget that if someone is found in the habit of such this has hefty punishments which isn't reflected in the low subscription amounts they want to claim which is just too good to be true. And I have seen a growing trend claiming to be selling such fixed matches which I find impossible to believe because fixing a match isn't easy as many would think.

Fixing match may not be easy to perform, but what's more difficult is to find access into this kind of underground gambling activities. Fixed matches doesn't easily leaked, I highly doubted the OP's friend is either speculating and anticipating possible sports fraud or was also invited by someone to follow such betting pattern in belief that the following games were being fixed.

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If these matches are truly fixed then only a few individuals are privileged to have access to such. And let's not forget that if someone is found in the habit of such this has hefty punishments which isn't reflected in the low subscription amounts they want to claim which is just too good to be true. And I have seen a growing trend claiming to be selling such fixed matches which I find impossible to believe because fixing a match isn't easy as many would think.

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Quote from: Johnyz on October 30, 2021, 03:24:30 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on October 30, 2021, 05:02:40 AM

Quote from: judeafante on October 29, 2021, 04:12:44 AM

It's very much real, you cannot tell the difference between an upset and a fixed game, they will try to make it real because there's a big risk for them if they are caught.

If you're on the expert level of analysis for the sport that you love and are a fan of. You'll be able somehow to spot on which is a true upset and likely a thrown and sold game.
But it's true that there's difficulty in finding which of them are actually thrown because when there are fixed matches, they're likely not to do obvious things that will destroy and spot it by their fans.

Even if you are an expect you can’t know until the start of the match, we can just notice this right after so technically many bettors already placed their bets by that time, and knowing that its a fixed match it can ruin everything. This has been an issue for many boxers and matched, just place a bet that you can afford to lose always.

As a fan's perspective even a legit game may look like a fixed one but its just a sport mo matter how good they are in their stats if they fail to bring the good effort will fail against the least favourite one so we shouldn't blame people every lose as fixed ones and never forget that sports is also a bridge to connect different nations not haters against each others.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on October 30, 2021, 02:40:21 PM

Quote from: bekti3 on October 30, 2021, 01:54:26 PM

they don't really care about newbies and followers they just want to get personal gain and until now it's still very hard to stop this because of the habit of every greedy person who will do anything for his profit.
but it also really can't be completely blamed on influencers because indeed they won't get anything if there is no fomo that follows it. the problem is because the power of influencers in making them believe completely even if it is a trap.

Yeah, I have seen some influencers who are all just copy pasting what was given to them and asked to do. They never bother about the credibility of what they are promoting. Probably they will check for obvious abusing and security related things like whether content is anything related to terrorism or porn then I guess that they will be ready to publish so that their paycheck will be ready. Like someone mentioned on this forum, "life without influencers will be definitely better and less hassle at least for all crypto people"; damn true honestly.

We shouldn't believe anything that influencers would say because they're just doing it to earn money. They don't really care if they're stating facts about what they're promoting or if it would deceive new players. Their concern is how they're going to earn through it so we better do our own research instead of listening to them.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on October 29, 2021, 07:41:40 AM

I definitely agree that you must stick on your jurisdiction about on a certain match because a great research is much better than an information about the match is fixed. This situation is very tricky though, since you'll have second thoughts on what you're gonna do in order to win.

Yes, as per my country gambling regulations, even I am not into any of match fixing but going by the information on match fixing and trying to make use of such information for my personal benefits will my lead to severe legal consequences. Honestly I need to keep any such mail or anything arriving to me highly confidential otherwise authorities may dig on my winning a bet to prove my relation with match fixing.

Usually mobile conversation are too dangerous in this regard and all other corresponding may not get us problems. I usually stay away from any of tipsters who are promoting themselves for availability of fixed matches. I just want to gamble problem free and I never prefer to gamble illegal by any means.

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Quote from: Johnyz on October 30, 2021, 03:24:30 PM

Even if you are an expect you can’t know until the start of the match, we can just notice this right after so technically many bettors already placed their bets by that time, and knowing that its a fixed match it can ruin everything. This has been an issue for many boxers and matched, just place a bet that you can afford to lose always.

Are you sure about this? I am not thinking so, many fixed matches are later known from the match played and through thorough investigations, but the betting sites would have forgotten about it and will not give back money to those that lose and will not also ask for the betting money from those that win. I have seen some fixed matches before as a result of FIFA investigating it and found it to be true. This is most likely common in small matches, that is why I do not go for small matches because they can be fixed when many pre match and in-play bettors will lose. The best is just to go for big leagues like EPL, Seria A, La Liga and Bundesliga and many like that. Though any match can be fixed, but such matches have lowest chance of been fixed.

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Quote from: passwordnow on October 30, 2021, 05:02:40 AM

Quote from: judeafante on October 29, 2021, 04:12:44 AM

It's very much real, you cannot tell the difference between an upset and a fixed game, they will try to make it real because there's a big risk for them if they are caught.

If you're on the expert level of analysis for the sport that you love and are a fan of. You'll be able somehow to spot on which is a true upset and likely a thrown and sold game.
But it's true that there's difficulty in finding which of them are actually thrown because when there are fixed matches, they're likely not to do obvious things that will destroy and spot it by their fans.

Even if you are an expect you can’t know until the start of the match, we can just notice this right after so technically many bettors already placed their bets by that time, and knowing that its a fixed match it can ruin everything. This has been an issue for many boxers and matched, just place a bet that you can afford to lose always.

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Quote from: bekti3 on October 30, 2021, 01:54:26 PM

they don't really care about newbies and followers they just want to get personal gain and until now it's still very hard to stop this because of the habit of every greedy person who will do anything for his profit.
but it also really can't be completely blamed on influencers because indeed they won't get anything if there is no fomo that follows it. the problem is because the power of influencers in making them believe completely even if it is a trap.

Yeah, I have seen some influencers who are all just copy pasting what was given to them and asked to do. They never bother about the credibility of what they are promoting. Probably they will check for obvious abusing and security related things like whether content is anything related to terrorism or porn then I guess that they will be ready to publish so that their paycheck will be ready. Like someone mentioned on this forum, "life without influencers will be definitely better and less hassle at least for all crypto people"; damn true honestly.

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Quote from: Quidat on October 28, 2021, 04:16:01 PM

One of the most common reason on why people do still fall for this kind of scam or illusion that you do say is that they do tend to believe
that easy bets do exist or some sort of exploit or leakage which do actually exist but scammers or fraudsters do make use it as for them to be able to scam people but if you do just realize on how things works then you could really avoid and just simply stick with your own decisions and jurisdictions on things and not relying with these lies.

Greedy people often believe that there are always lapses and shortcut ways to easily earned money from this venue. They are trying to increase the chance of their winning by believing that there's such kind of activities.

And here comes the scammers. They are the ones who really enjoy this business; they are alluring people by saying that they have some insiders inside the league/sport and they can easily manipulate the outcome. Those who believes are just blindly entrusting their fate to people who are collecting a good amount of cash. If luck permits, bets will win. If not, they can easily say that they've been rigged Grin

This one is one of the reason why they get scam by what they think betting advisors,fixers and insiders since they think they can get high probabilities but unfortunately they end up losing more since they are just deceive so maybe its good not to take this option since this is more risky for us. Better if we really want to win just bet on the sports we are familiar on since Fix matches rarely happening this days since we are now on modern ages where those kind of activities cannot prolong due to the technology.

Unfortunately, there are people who still believe on easy money on sports betting that's why they are risking their money on that service.

But even I'm having difficulty in sports betting, I will not end up paying for such service. I don't understand why other people believe in such fixed match claim offers where in the first place, those offers came from an unknown person and out of nowhere.

This is due to the promoters or influencer who always show how easy to get money on gambling and even if this is a hoax they will publish it on their channels so that they can get views as well as referrals. They don't care about on what will happen to newbies that's why we see so many of them caught of by the reality that its really hard to earn on gambling and the result is negative to them.

yep, as you said, they don't really care about newbies and followers they just want to get personal gain and until now it's still very hard to stop this because of the habit of every greedy person who will do anything for his profit.
but it also really can't be completely blamed on influencers because indeed they won't get anything if there is no fomo that follows it. the problem is because the power of influencers in making them believe completely even if it is a trap.

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