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Quote from: harizen on October 27, 2021, 06:32:50 PM

Quote from: magneto on October 27, 2021, 05:07:17 PM

But are you able to captalise on any fixed matches? I highly doubt it.

There are a ton of scammers who fake having fixed matches information but at the end of the day what they're trying to do is just get you to pay them a share of any profits you make. They do this until you lose - in which case, of course, they just stop contacting you.

I've personally seen these scams happen in the past and it's all a game of numbers. The more people they reach out to, the more likely someone is going to win and think that the matches are actually fixed.

There's no way a "real person" who claimed to have inside information about the fixed match will offer it to a random community just like here in the forum.

Any form of such offer is considered a scam. I actually not alarmed on that but rather think, are there really people who will fall on that crap?

As difficult as you think it is to believe people fall into that kind of scam all the time, just recently I remember there was a thread offering something like that and while the majority of the people were smart enough to recognize it was a scam the alleged scammer claimed that in fact someone had agreed to make business with him.

Now it is possible he was lying to cover himself and make his offer appear more legitimate, but I will not be surprised at all if that was actually true.

the classical scam where somebody is selling illusions preying for those who want to buy illusions instead of looking clearly at reality
rationality helps a lot in these cases

One of the most common reason on why people do still fall for this kind of scam or illusion that you do say is that they do tend to believe
that easy bets do exist or some sort of exploit or leakage which do actually exist but scammers or fraudsters do make use it as for them to be able to scam people but if you do just realize on how things works then you could really avoid and just simply stick with your own decisions and jurisdictions on things and not relying with these lies.

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Quote from: harizen on October 27, 2021, 06:32:50 PM

Quote from: magneto on October 27, 2021, 05:07:17 PM

But are you able to captalise on any fixed matches? I highly doubt it.

There are a ton of scammers who fake having fixed matches information but at the end of the day what they're trying to do is just get you to pay them a share of any profits you make. They do this until you lose - in which case, of course, they just stop contacting you.

I've personally seen these scams happen in the past and it's all a game of numbers. The more people they reach out to, the more likely someone is going to win and think that the matches are actually fixed.

There's no way a "real person" who claimed to have inside information about the fixed match will offer it to a random community just like here in the forum.

Any form of such offer is considered a scam. I actually not alarmed on that but rather think, are there really people who will fall on that crap?

As difficult as you think it is to believe people fall into that kind of scam all the time, just recently I remember there was a thread offering something like that and while the majority of the people were smart enough to recognize it was a scam the alleged scammer claimed that in fact someone had agreed to make business with him.

Now it is possible he was lying to cover himself and make his offer appear more legitimate, but I will not be surprised at all if that was actually true.

the classical scam where somebody is selling illusions preying for those who want to buy illusions instead of looking clearly at reality
rationality helps a lot in these cases

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Quote from: harizen on October 27, 2021, 06:32:50 PM

Quote from: magneto on October 27, 2021, 05:07:17 PM

But are you able to captalise on any fixed matches? I highly doubt it.

There are a ton of scammers who fake having fixed matches information but at the end of the day what they're trying to do is just get you to pay them a share of any profits you make. They do this until you lose - in which case, of course, they just stop contacting you.

I've personally seen these scams happen in the past and it's all a game of numbers. The more people they reach out to, the more likely someone is going to win and think that the matches are actually fixed.

There's no way a "real person" who claimed to have inside information about the fixed match will offer it to a random community just like here in the forum.

Any form of such offer is considered a scam. I actually not alarmed on that but rather think, are there really people who will fall on that crap?

As difficult as you think it is to believe people fall into that kind of scam all the time, just recently I remember there was a thread offering something like that and while the majority of the people were smart enough to recognize it was a scam the alleged scammer claimed that in fact someone had agreed to make business with him.

Now it is possible he was lying to cover himself and make his offer appear more legitimate, but I will not be surprised at all if that was actually true.

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Quote from: magneto on October 27, 2021, 05:07:17 PM

But are you able to captalise on any fixed matches? I highly doubt it.

There are a ton of scammers who fake having fixed matches information but at the end of the day what they're trying to do is just get you to pay them a share of any profits you make. They do this until you lose - in which case, of course, they just stop contacting you.

I've personally seen these scams happen in the past and it's all a game of numbers. The more people they reach out to, the more likely someone is going to win and think that the matches are actually fixed.

There's no way a "real person" who claimed to have inside information about the fixed match will offer it to a random community just like here in the forum.

Any form of such offer is considered a scam. I actually not alarmed on that but rather think, are there really people who will fall on that crap?

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Quote from: Rruchi man on October 18, 2021, 08:48:30 AM

I was with a friend today who was in a hurry to place his bet on some numbers that were sent to him for some football matches that he believes are fixed. I'm a bit confused how fixed matches work.

Are fixed matches real? Do the coach and players of teams were matches have been fixed, do they consent to it? If you were in a team were your next fixture has been fixed, what will be your reaction?

Yes, they are real.

But are you able to captalise on any fixed matches? I highly doubt it.

There are a ton of scammers who fake having fixed matches information but at the end of the day what they're trying to do is just get you to pay them a share of any profits you make. They do this until you lose - in which case, of course, they just stop contacting you.

I've personally seen these scams happen in the past and it's all a game of numbers. The more people they reach out to, the more likely someone is going to win and think that the matches are actually fixed.

Scams and fraud like this are common ones but still there are people who do really get victim with these frauds because they do really believe that they would able to have some sure win without even knowing that they are just being blind on something which had been
purely been guessed. Which you should really be careful and shouldnt really believe on it easily.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on October 18, 2021, 08:48:30 AM

I was with a friend today who was in a hurry to place his bet on some numbers that were sent to him for some football matches that he believes are fixed. I'm a bit confused how fixed matches work.

Are fixed matches real? Do the coach and players of teams were matches have been fixed, do they consent to it? If you were in a team were your next fixture has been fixed, what will be your reaction?

Yes, they are real.

But are you able to captalise on any fixed matches? I highly doubt it.

There are a ton of scammers who fake having fixed matches information but at the end of the day what they're trying to do is just get you to pay them a share of any profits you make. They do this until you lose - in which case, of course, they just stop contacting you.

I've personally seen these scams happen in the past and it's all a game of numbers. The more people they reach out to, the more likely someone is going to win and think that the matches are actually fixed.

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Quote from: Joca97 on October 23, 2021, 05:34:15 AM

Fixed matches mostly happen in lower leagues or amature leagues . But it can happen in the big leagues as well but only the team owners would know that its fixed,so if someone tries to sell you big teams fixed matches its an apsolute scam. Also you should avoid fixed matches because its almost always limited to just a few people.

This is true, and like always when it comes to scams we need to use our common sense, we know there are fixed games at all levels all the time, what we need to wonder is why suddenly a person will appear with information that supposedly gives us privileged access to that information? After all if someone had that information then they can make a lot of money for themselves without the need to share that information with you, this means that anyone willingly revealing that information to you is most likely a scammer.

And sometimes it would seem that the same persons have the higher ground over and over. Privileged information works all over the place, it is legal in some countries, such as Russia and illegal in theory in most, but it is inevitable that information leaks and people talk. However, that is one thing but actually fixing a result is a different short of cattle. Is not as much as using the information, but rather about creating a certain condition that is beneficial for those that are in the know.

Imagine those leak information being bought by gamblers thinking that it's an easy access to win a lot but unknowingly people behind this kind of leaks are just playing around, after seeing the pressure inside bookies, they will simply bet on the other side, I heard rumors like this from our local league.

Someone gives tips or insiders who arranged fixed matches, but the outcome didn't favor those who bought the tip.

Now, they are accusing those people who's behind, just don't know if there's an action that is being taken place, the issue just simply been gone after some time from the social media.

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Quote from: Silberman on October 24, 2021, 12:29:58 PM

After all if someone had that information then they can make a lot of money for themselves without the need to share that information with you, this means that anyone willingly revealing that information to you is most likely a scammer.

You are right. From what I have read, people who are fixing matches usually keeping it highly confidential so that they will find big profits in the end by making all others to bet on other side. If they leak information about fixed matches then they will get high competition for profit sharing which will ending up in lower odds. This is the reason, mostly match fixing are happening in high society and in highly confidential way.

At the same time, scammers are trying to exploit the above situation by spreading fake information about fixed matches like they are selling tips about fixed matches. Basically, if someone is aware of fixed matches then they will go for betting in big amounts so that they could get easy profits.

This is incredibly common where I live, in almost any sport event that I went to watch live before the pandemic there was always someone that had a hot tip or knew someone or heard a rumor about what it would happen, for some time I thought those people were just trying to be helpful but now I know that most likely they were scammers trying to make me bet on one direction while they did the opposite in order to increase the odds of their choice and get more money that way.

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Quote from: sovie on October 25, 2021, 05:32:16 PM

Quote from: agustina2 on October 25, 2021, 05:24:45 PM

As everyone said, fix match can't be predicted beforehand and that's correct. Just do our usual way of betting since we don't know the result after all.

It's not that most of our bets will be fixed matches or rigged. Just bet and hope for the best. If your instincts tell you that a game isn't worth betting because of the possible rigged game then just skip betting on that match. There are lots of betting matches to choose from.

You can also choose games that are at the international level. I'm sure players who participate in international tournaments and represent their country would never sell a match. Moreover, it is mainly at international events that players have the opportunity to show their skills and increase their value on the market. If anyone has any doubts, I think that matches at the highest level are the safest.

I am not sure about that as we do not know what happens behind the international tournaments. Maybe they still do that without anyone knows and as that is an international tournament, they are trying to cover their illegal activity and pretend the match is under control. The highest level of the tournaments could mean that much money will involve, so that can tempt some people who did an illegal activity to get the money for them.

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Quote from: chaser15 on October 25, 2021, 06:50:13 PM

99.9% of our bets will be played as clean with no rigged or dirty tricks involved. I don't really believe in this stuffs mainly unless got news or someone involved got penalized.

As per the practices which are being followed by bookies, the information on fixing a match or a player will be held highly confidential hence what we feel clean and fair matches may not be the same. Bookies usually target highly talented team or player to underperform so that unexpected results will happen on better odds. So, If a team or player is not performing well at least for some certain duration in a match, there might be a hidden reason behind that.

Quote from: chaser15 on October 25, 2021, 06:50:13 PM

I'm sure never in my betting experience that I place a bet for a possible rigged match.

I guess only 50% chances for your statement to remain true. It doesn't matter that we are betting on the same side where bookies have fixed match or not. When we are not aware of what is going on and in the end our prediction is right then we need to enjoy and move on as nothing illegal has been done from our side.

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Quote from: Silberman on October 24, 2021, 12:29:58 PM

Quote from: Joca97 on October 23, 2021, 05:34:15 AM

Fixed matches mostly happen in lower leagues or amature leagues . But it can happen in the big leagues as well but only the team owners would know that its fixed,so if someone tries to sell you big teams fixed matches its an apsolute scam. Also you should avoid fixed matches because its almost always limited to just a few people.

This is true, and like always when it comes to scams we need to use our common sense, we know there are fixed games at all levels all the time, what we need to wonder is why suddenly a person will appear with information that supposedly gives us privileged access to that information? After all if someone had that information then they can make a lot of money for themselves without the need to share that information with you, this means that anyone willingly revealing that information to you is most likely a scammer.

And sometimes it would seem that the same persons have the higher ground over and over. Privileged information works all over the place, it is legal in some countries, such as Russia and illegal in theory in most, but it is inevitable that information leaks and people talk. However, that is one thing but actually fixing a result is a different short of cattle. Is not as much as using the information, but rather about creating a certain condition that is beneficial for those that are in the know.

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Quote from: Fredomago on October 25, 2021, 05:38:28 PM

Just do your normal routine and how that nothing wrong or any obvious rigging will show up. It's okay accepting that you lose, but under some unexplained circumstances, that's really annoying.

You are right it's annoying to see that after our research to form our analysis, the match will be rigged.

But as mentioned above, I agree that it's not that our bets will always be landed on a fixed match. Still, 99.9% of our bets will be played as clean with no rigged or dirty tricks involved. I don't really believe in this stuffs mainly unless got news or someone involved got penalized.

I'm sure never in my betting experience that I place a bet for a possible rigged match.

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Quote from: agustina2 on October 25, 2021, 05:24:45 PM

As everyone said, fix match can't be predicted beforehand and that's correct. Just do our usual way of betting since we don't know the result after all.

It's not that most of our bets will be fixed matches or rigged. Just bet and hope for the best. If your instincts tell you that a game isn't worth betting because of the possible rigged game then just skip betting on that match. There are lots of betting matches to choose from.

Just bet and wait if your chosen venue is not being played by those people behind game fixing. There is no assurance and everything still a rumor not unless it's been proven. Though for me there's no smoke if there's no fire inside Roll Eyes

this kind of activities are always around, as bettors we don't really know when the group of illegal doers will penetrate.

Just do your normal routine and how that nothing wrong or any obvious rigging will show up. It's okay accepting that you lose, but under some unexplained circumstances, that's really annoying.

Keep in mind that part of luck is by choosing the right game to bet Grin

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Quote from: agustina2 on October 25, 2021, 05:24:45 PM

As everyone said, fix match can't be predicted beforehand and that's correct. Just do our usual way of betting since we don't know the result after all.

It's not that most of our bets will be fixed matches or rigged. Just bet and hope for the best. If your instincts tell you that a game isn't worth betting because of the possible rigged game then just skip betting on that match. There are lots of betting matches to choose from.

You can also choose games that are at the international level. I'm sure players who participate in international tournaments and represent their country would never sell a match. Moreover, it is mainly at international events that players have the opportunity to show their skills and increase their value on the market. If anyone has any doubts, I think that matches at the highest level are the safest.

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As everyone said, fix match can't be predicted beforehand and that's correct. Just do our usual way of betting since we don't know the result after all.

It's not that most of our bets will be fixed matches or rigged. Just bet and hope for the best. If your instincts tell you that a game isn't worth betting because of the possible rigged game then just skip betting on that match. There are lots of betting matches to choose from.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 24, 2021, 01:52:39 AM

I doubt that they know the result before the start of the match, most likely they make several predictions and then delete the unsuccessful ones. I think if you follow these channels more closely, you can catch them on this. All these scammers use the same algorithms. If they really knew something, they could profit from it without any sales of this information.

I know they would not sell it and profit from it, but there are some gambling tipsters who also promote them for the sake of either money or cross promotion. Using quick telegram users generation bots as an alternative, these tipsters make newbies to think that they are giving real fixed matches and helping their members earn the promised values which makes it easier for the owners of those channels to scam the innocent people.

That is the main reason it is 90% fraud if someone sends pm first on social media, Telegram users are a special target for scammers since they easily filter the groups and find potential victims. Fixed matches are sold for huge amount not for the few hundred dollars and it is usually known to buyers 15 min before the match according to real seller on Dark Web I found once:)

Why do they reveal it so late? It shouldn't be easy to place big bets only 15 minutes before the beginning of the match, then it doesn't seem to worth such expensive prices. Moreover I don't think this kind of guy refund his customers if the expected outcome doesn't happen.

You should analyze the whole situation, it is not only about the turnover and timeframe.. Do a small research and you will find what kind of tricks are there to "rig" the result...
Sometimes, the single-player on the match can be "bought" with expensive deals and the sellers gonna sell yellow card fixtures for the dealers...
No matter what that player will do anything to get a yellow card by the referee and it shouldn't be a hard-to-find bookie that accepts this kind of bets...

I get the feeling that when we talk about a fixed match everyone thinks about the overall result of the game.
However, you have noticed a very important thing. After all, it is enough for a player to be paid for causing some event.

I remember once someone bet a very large amount on the fact that during a match a naked person would run onto the pitch. Then he ran naked to the stadium himself.

I am sure that there were many more such cases.

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Quote from: seleme on October 24, 2021, 03:56:13 PM

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 24, 2021, 01:52:39 AM

I doubt that they know the result before the start of the match, most likely they make several predictions and then delete the unsuccessful ones. I think if you follow these channels more closely, you can catch them on this. All these scammers use the same algorithms. If they really knew something, they could profit from it without any sales of this information.

I know they would not sell it and profit from it, but there are some gambling tipsters who also promote them for the sake of either money or cross promotion. Using quick telegram users generation bots as an alternative, these tipsters make newbies to think that they are giving real fixed matches and helping their members earn the promised values which makes it easier for the owners of those channels to scam the innocent people.

That is the main reason it is 90% fraud if someone sends pm first on social media, Telegram users are a special target for scammers since they easily filter the groups and find potential victims. Fixed matches are sold for huge amount not for the few hundred dollars and it is usually known to buyers 15 min before the match according to real seller on Dark Web I found once:)

Why do they reveal it so late? It shouldn't be easy to place big bets only 15 minutes before the beginning of the match, then it doesn't seem to worth such expensive prices. Moreover I don't think this kind of guy refund his customers if the expected outcome doesn't happen.

You should analyze the whole situation, it is not only about the turnover and timeframe.. Do a small research and you will find what kind of tricks are there to "rig" the result...
Sometimes, the single-player on the match can be "bought" with expensive deals and the sellers gonna sell yellow card fixtures for the dealers...
No matter what that player will do anything to get a yellow card by the referee and it shouldn't be a hard-to-find bookie that accepts this kind of bets...

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on October 25, 2021, 07:48:55 AM

In sportsbooks we can't avoid this issue since it's all about money, we can't investigate or do research to proof it's fixed match since they were do it behind almost perfect without any trace. Usually this happen when the favorited player/team with good history didn't play well or very close fights. Of course it's really frustrated to see their bad performance and losing our bets, but it is what it is we can't really do anything.

It's like gambling over the usual gambling. In any case, that's also an advantage to those who will bet on the ream that was supposed to win by fixed match, if any. Still like the usual placing of bets but any analysis is useless. Still the same, wait for the results and that's it.

An issue of fixed matches should not be a big deal for bettors as in general, the majority of matches are still played properly within the fair gameplay. Don't believe in those random people saying they have an information that a certain match will be fixed,

Of course, almost all games are played fairly. Probably a very small number of low level matches can be fixed.
I also think a lot of people come up with rumors that the game is fixed. In my opinion, this could also be the case with the person OP spoke to.
The truth is that if we are not on the pitch or in the ring ourselves, we will not be able to confirm or deny it.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on October 25, 2021, 07:48:55 AM

In sportsbooks we can't avoid this issue since it's all about money, we can't investigate or do research to proof it's fixed match since they were do it behind almost perfect without any trace. Usually this happen when the favorited player/team with good history didn't play well or very close fights. Of course it's really frustrated to see their bad performance and losing our bets, but it is what it is we can't really do anything.

It's like gambling over the usual gambling. In any case, that's also an advantage to those who will bet on the ream that was supposed to win by fixed match, if any. Still like the usual placing of bets but any analysis is useless. Still the same, wait for the results and that's it.

An issue of fixed matches should not be a big deal for bettors as in general, the majority of matches are still played properly within the fair gameplay. Don't believe in those random people saying they have an information that a certain match will be fixed,

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 24, 2021, 01:52:39 AM

I doubt that they know the result before the start of the match, most likely they make several predictions and then delete the unsuccessful ones. I think if you follow these channels more closely, you can catch them on this. All these scammers use the same algorithms. If they really knew something, they could profit from it without any sales of this information.

I know they would not sell it and profit from it, but there are some gambling tipsters who also promote them for the sake of either money or cross promotion. Using quick telegram users generation bots as an alternative, these tipsters make newbies to think that they are giving real fixed matches and helping their members earn the promised values which makes it easier for the owners of those channels to scam the innocent people.

That is the main reason it is 90% fraud if someone sends pm first on social media, Telegram users are a special target for scammers since they easily filter the groups and find potential victims. Fixed matches are sold for huge amount not for the few hundred dollars and it is usually known to buyers 15 min before the match according to real seller on Dark Web I found once:)

Why do they reveal it so late? It shouldn't be easy to place big bets only 15 minutes before the beginning of the match, then it doesn't seem to worth such expensive prices. Moreover I don't think this kind of guy refund his customers if the expected outcome doesn't happen.

They put a lot of pressure on those who might be lured into a situation like this in a fixed match. It's sometimes a scam, especially when it's done on social media platforms like Telegram and Discord. As we can see, there are also plenty of random strangers who send you messages advertising giveaways and such, and it's the same with those people. Newbies will undoubtedly fall for this type of trick, and people will undoubtedly try it, particularly if they are looking for a quick win.

They will, without a doubt, attract newcomers to this. This is a trick for new users or newbies who want to earn quickly without having to work hard. What is the issue with the fixed match? The issue with the fixed match is that it involves a large sum of money that they will earn, as well as other bets where they are deciding to win the opposite team if all of the odds are higher than others. However, if a team is the underdog and the most professional, odds multipliers are now available in sports betting. We can't really do anything about fixed matches because we can't predict them.

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