Topic: Merit "trading" - buying and selling Bitcointalk merit - page 24. (Read 36317 times)

No system no matter how simple or complicated will be unfair to some that is just the way it is and we cannot change that, besides a true newbie will probably not care about ranks or anything like that if he is here to learn more about bitcoin and to stay updated of all the information regarding bitcoin and altcoins and if he is able to make some good posts then earning smerits will not be a real problem.

The merit system is not good for beginners and this merit system will not affect those people who already attained the Legendary rank.
But why Merit system will make the site better and newbies will have a hard time to rank up!
Why Newbies and low rank need to get their rank in a harder way?
People now are not looking and making for a good post, they are just posting nonsense (most of the time) just to meet their quota on their bounty campaigns which is not healthy for any ann thread here.

I hope this Merit system will get the site better now!

I agree with you that some legendary ranks in this forum some of there post are not informative and constructive.

Normally, those who are here to learn and contribute absolutely prefers the merit system while those who their main aim is just to come make some quick bucks are the ones who will not prefer it as they will end up stuck in one position with their shit posting. However, some may feel it is not fair, since we still have some legendary shitposters anyway, but life generally is not fair, and looking at the good side of it all, at least, it has brought some sanity.

It will really affect newbie seriously as they wont have opportunity to grow, the merit supposed to be on those that really want to upgrade hero/legendary

Right think of helping people the more you help the more positive karma you will receive and merits as plus points. Think of this as the universe giving us what we deserve.

We all hope that Theymos aim for creating the merit system; which is to bring sanity to the forum is achieved. Though alot of people dont like the system while some does. It will be impossible for anyone to sell a huge amount of merit without been noticed. Many peopIe here strive to get merits but I always tell people, do what you know how to do best; the merit will come on it own.

Buying and selling bitcoin merit is not a good idea the purpose of merit is to make quality and good constructive comments because some  of users are only posting because of the target post to be able to rankup and to receive payment from campaign.The merit shall be given to those who posted quality comments and topics.

I completely agree with you.Nkw that the Bitcoin talk forum is.more popular and it seems many are doing "account farming" .The only way to stop this is by doing these kind of.innovative things . Although sadly I never seem to get any merit and I am not.sure why

I agree with you, people here in the forum don't waste their time reading posts of other people. It seems that they have lack of interest reading posts just to giveaway merit. I guess this new rule is relatively good for the forum because it lessens spam posts and it pushes posters to  contribute more quality posts, but it makes more difficult especially for newbies to rank up.

Hi all - bit perplexed by the new system... but I'm trying to get my head around it. Spent weeks looking forward to FINALLY achieving member status (having done my best to date to be a useful and constructive contributor), only to be hit by this curve ball. Took it on the chin, and decided to give it my best shot to post some merit-worthy guides. Being a relative newbie to the whole crypto game, I thought I can only - in good faith - aim to pass on something useful to other newbies, so I put together something I hoped would be useful in the 'beginners and help' section:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30269101

No dice! Obviously, if new users post in the 'beginners' section, they will only be helping Newbies and Jr Members ... and they don't have any merit to give! Bit of a catch 22 there.

I then thought, "is there any technical know-how I might have that other people might not?" - certainly not in crypto, but I can use Excel so I made this post too:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30295695

Again, not a hope - I guess it's too niche. So it's hard finding a balance between constructive posts for newbies (they can't give merit) and posting niche stuff that NOBODY's interested in. I mean, ideally I'd be able to write something salient about crypto... but, as someone who's not been in the game all that long, I feel like I can't honestly hope to do that when there are so many more knowledgeable people here - and without repeating something already posted elsewhere.

Guess it's a long term game... but I have to admit I'm a bit stumped.

This new merit system is really a good idea and encouraging concepts for everyone specially for those newbies to make a constructive and good quality post to be able to earn some merit. But on the other hand, the smerit trading has been made because of those members that are very selfish of their smerit to share even in a constructive and helpful post. That's why some members are forced to buy smerit even it's prohibited, just to earn some of it to be able to level up of their rank.

I didn't saw yet any suggestions about merit's trading. Maybe I just didn't search good for that and such announcements really exist. As I know any activity of such kind or just begging for merits can lead to a negative trust of the user. The only thing I see is that merit has given uncontrolled, by the main idea only quality posts should get it, but as i see everything depends from those who give merit, that user chose himeself to whom to give it and there are many cases when a weak post got merit or some.

I kind of agree but maybe its just that if you are interested and dedicated to getting the ranks then you will do the research required to "game the system" enough in your favor to achieve your goals, is indeed the desired intent.. it requires people with a lot of patience that won't be easily distracted by the rules not giving you a fair break.. it requires a lot of reading and analyzing the forums to figure out where and when you are most likely to rank up, who to help and where the most activity is coming from and from which type of user.. and requires you to engage to the best of your abilities, quote who you are talking to and trains you for long term forum quality posting and success.. its almost like beating the system IS the goal.. which even if someone disagrees with... can't ignore the facts that this type of system mandates you learn.   

It is kind of an interesting phenomenon that merit is given out so seldom (at least from what I can tell, but maybe my posts just suck )

I think the reason for this is twofold: (1) many of the people with lots of merit are merit rich and don't necessarily think about rewarding higher quality posts by noobies (this probably stems from the newness of the system and will decrease in time); and, (2) as stated before, lots of people simply don't read other people's posts and so lots of gold gets missed on pages 2-155 (assuming a 156 page thread).

I guess the question boils down to which is being abused and manipulated more.. I signed up in October but didn't participate until recently because the system was being so abused with annoying spam and shitposts.. it kind of hurts me now but I can certainly understand systems will have to hurt a few good to block out most of the bad.. As far as trading merits or selling them, I can see that just being an ongoing problem.. the amount of merits needed to rank up could equal 1000s of posts just to become a member... I'm trying to ignore the noise however and just keep doing as I do, and like many suggested, it will come to me eventually.

Sad to say but the thing you said here is really happening on reality where on low rank members you will really feel on having no assurance on getting higher rank since merit requirement is pretty high to achieve on a short period of time this is why you should really do the best as you can to attain it and talking about chances on getting merit im somehow agree that most OP do already get the higher chance on getting it ,in short theres no other choice but to make a valuable topic on your own which you saw its worth to be given by some merits by the community.

I only like it because there are so many shitposters and account farmers but it also remove our assurance of getting a higher rank. It's a lotto now because members usually read the first post which from the person who made the thread so he only has the higher chance of receiving smerit.

As a new person I like the new system.. it kind of sucks that it will be such an uphill battle getting full member, but I guess when I finally make it, it will mean a lot more then being paired with 1000s of farmed accounts.

I see the ponit of adding such a feature but at the same time it is not a risk that people will "hodl" their merit and dont give any away? Would it maybe be an idea to implement a system where giving away merit would benefit the person giving it away? For example person A gives person B merit (Person B newb), person B keeps on posting and stay active for lets say 6 months. The merit is returned with some multiplyer, if that person stayed active and did not get some kind of warnings? I dunnu I kinda like the system but at the same time, it feels hard to obtain these merits for new members.