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McLaren's special design looks lovely by the way. Grin

It seems much better than the small details on Ferrari in the Monza GP. There is a bigger effort in this surely.

Here we go!

It is another race week and I'm quite happy to see F1 back after nearly a three-week break. Even though we all know the likely result of this race I still want to enjoy a decent race. Maybe we won't see much competition for the lead but there might be a nice rivalry behind among Mercedes and Ferrari drivers. I mean the only way Leclerc can compete for the lead is that Verstappen has serious issues with his car or makes a crucial mistake to give Leclerc an opportunity. But Red Bull have the most consistent car among all teams now so it is difficult to see any issue.

Let's just enjoy watching a night race.

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Quote from: FanEagle on September 28, 2022, 05:29:21 PM

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Ferrari started the season great and it showed supremacy in the first races of the season,however things started to precipitate since the Imola GP from an error of their main driver which could not hold emotions in front of a great cheering crowd that made him go the extra mile which unfortunately made him spin out of the track.That was just the beginning,the next one in Monaco was a total disaster when the team first invited him for pit stop then as soon as he entered the pits,they told him to stay out.Errors like this continued in the upcoming races like failures in Azerbaijan GP and as a sum of all these errors Ferrari is out of both the driver and constructors title fight.

They had a few errors both from the pit, and from the drivers as well. I am guessing that they are going to come back much better next season, they are going to try to keep the mistakes to a minimum, and if they could do that then they would be closer to Red Bull. The reality is that they have lost maybe close to 100 points so far just from mistakes, and the team is responsible for most of it instead of drivers to be honest.

If we could see them doing a lot better, that 100 points taken from Red Bull and given to Ferrari would be basically the whole roles reversed and they would be doing a lot better. Next year should be the goal to reach that exact thing.

The errors started from the drivers but then they got out of control from the team and I agree when the team makes stupid errors like those they are the full responsible for the failure.I think they have learned their lesson the hard way and as you say they lost 100 points which if they didn't we would be now in the middle of one of the most interesting seasons of F1 history but those errors are responsible for this too.They have already started working for the next year car but most other teams started even early so I think we can see an improved performance from McLaren at least for the next year as they started the development of their car of next season really early during this one.

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Quote from: swogerino on September 28, 2022, 02:29:52 AM

Ferrari started the season great and it showed supremacy in the first races of the season,however things started to precipitate since the Imola GP from an error of their main driver which could not hold emotions in front of a great cheering crowd that made him go the extra mile which unfortunately made him spin out of the track.That was just the beginning,the next one in Monaco was a total disaster when the team first invited him for pit stop then as soon as he entered the pits,they told him to stay out.Errors like this continued in the upcoming races like failures in Azerbaijan GP and as a sum of all these errors Ferrari is out of both the driver and constructors title fight.

They had a few errors both from the pit, and from the drivers as well. I am guessing that they are going to come back much better next season, they are going to try to keep the mistakes to a minimum, and if they could do that then they would be closer to Red Bull. The reality is that they have lost maybe close to 100 points so far just from mistakes, and the team is responsible for most of it instead of drivers to be honest.

If we could see them doing a lot better, that 100 points taken from Red Bull and given to Ferrari would be basically the whole roles reversed and they would be doing a lot better. Next year should be the goal to reach that exact thing.

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Verstappen has already said that they are in no rush for the World Cup title, and that the focus is not there. I think he's right, he's already unofficial world champion, that title has long been celebrated behind the scenes. It's just a matter of waiting when he gets the title. I can't remember that an F1 driver with so much power has become world champion. Not even Senna and Schumacher. Perhaps Max has more talent than Senna and Schumacher, but that cannot be measured of course. It was actually a very boring season, it seemed to be a man 2 man fight between Verstappen and Leclerc but that was over after a few circuits.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 27, 2022, 08:09:23 AM

If Bagnaia can get back to the run/form he had before the Japan Grand Prix, the 18 points won't be much, that's true, but let's wait and see if he has the nerve to do it, he knows it's all about the World Championship title again like last year when he crashed. If he finds the lightness and finishes first in Thailand, it will be difficult for Fabio.

That's why the competition will still be fun to watch because there are 100 more points still up for grabs by all the riders at this point including Bagnaia and Quartararo starting from Thailand this week. Because both will try to finish in the highest rank in the remaining races, because finishing on the second and third podiums is not necessarily safe for both of them if one of them is on the first podium.

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I don't think there will be a stable order from Ducati in the next 2 races, which I could imagine, if Bagnaia is behind Miller, Miller won't really spread himself, Miller has said he wants to help Bagnaia and Ducati.

Miller really loves Bagnaia even though this year is his last year on the Ducati team because next year Miller will go to the KTM team. And I also don't think that another Ducati rider (independent team) will help Bagnaia in winning the world title although Ducati would be very happy if their satellite team is willing to help Bagnaia in this.

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Quote from: AndySt on September 27, 2022, 07:54:06 PM

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It's true that Red Bull doesn't have a car that dominating, they have a good car better than anyone else's and that's a good thing which allowed them to dominate this year, but their engine is just not that much better. We have seen Ferrari beat Red Bull many times, but we have seen Charles do a 3 time overtake on Max just on Austria alone, that was quite the entertainment we look for in formula 1.
So, I guess that between the previous examples we have seen, and the mistakes Ferrari made, it could have been a lot closer if everyone went Ferrari way and that's means Red Bull and Max is not dominating as much as Hamilton did with Mercedes.

This Formula 1 season is both a triumph for Red Bull and Verstappen, and at the same time a failure for Ferrari, despite the fact that the team is in second place in the championship. If everything ends as it is happening now, and there are no prerequisites for another objectively, given the separation of Verstapeppen and the small number of races that remain until the end of the season, then Ferrari with its stupid mistakes and miscalculations can be considered a co-author of the triumph of Red Bull. All this, of course, does not negate the power of Red Bull, but unlike Mercedes, which could not present a competitive car this year, Ferrari was obliged to impose tougher competition in the fight for the title of the best driver.

Unfortunately this is a sad truth.Ferrari started the season great and it showed supremacy in the first races of the season,however things started to precipitate since the Imola GP from an error of their main driver which could not hold emotions in front of a great cheering crowd that made him go the extra mile which unfortunately made him spin out of the track.That was just the beginning,the next one in Monaco was a total disaster when the team first invited him for pit stop then as soon as he entered the pits,they told him to stay out.Errors like this continued in the upcoming races like failures in Azerbaijan GP and as a sum of all these errors Ferrari is out of both the driver and constructors title fight.

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Quote from: tygeade on September 27, 2022, 06:08:03 PM

It's true that Red Bull doesn't have a car that dominating, they have a good car better than anyone else's and that's a good thing which allowed them to dominate this year, but their engine is just not that much better. We have seen Ferrari beat Red Bull many times, but we have seen Charles do a 3 time overtake on Max just on Austria alone, that was quite the entertainment we look for in formula 1.
So, I guess that between the previous examples we have seen, and the mistakes Ferrari made, it could have been a lot closer if everyone went Ferrari way and that's means Red Bull and Max is not dominating as much as Hamilton did with Mercedes.

This Formula 1 season is both a triumph for Red Bull and Verstappen, and at the same time a failure for Ferrari, despite the fact that the team is in second place in the championship. If everything ends as it is happening now, and there are no prerequisites for another objectively, given the separation of Verstapeppen and the small number of races that remain until the end of the season, then Ferrari with its stupid mistakes and miscalculations can be considered a co-author of the triumph of Red Bull. All this, of course, does not negate the power of Red Bull, but unlike Mercedes, which could not present a competitive car this year, Ferrari was obliged to impose tougher competition in the fight for the title of the best driver.

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Quote from: wiss19 on September 26, 2022, 05:35:31 PM

I feel like it's not going to be that easy for Verstappen. I mean look at it this way, Hamilton used to win with 30+ seconds, sometimes as high as 1 minute difference to closest one. I remember very clearly the 2020 silverstone where he literally finished the last lap with one tire missing and still won, he was that much dominant.

Verstappen doesn't have that, sure he looks like the best one right now, but let's remember how it looked during first weeks of the season. Ferrari got worse, Mercedes got better, next season when both of those teams get it together they are going to be a tough opponent for Verstappen for sure. I don't see that kind of domination to be fair.

It's true that Red Bull doesn't have a car that dominating, they have a good car better than anyone else's and that's a good thing which allowed them to dominate this year, but their engine is just not that much better. We have seen Ferrari beat Red Bull many times, but we have seen Charles do a 3 time overtake on Max just on Austria alone, that was quite the entertainment we look for in formula 1.

So, I guess that between the previous examples we have seen, and the mistakes Ferrari made, it could have been a lot closer if everyone went Ferrari way and that's means Red Bull and Max is not dominating as much as Hamilton did with Mercedes.

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So it is basically official now.
Latifi will be not on William the next year.

Will the goat be able to find a new seat?

In F1? I doubt Roll Eyes

Latifi is considered one of the most irregular drivers on the circuit in recent years, not just in 2022. Everyone remembers Latifi for the famous mistakes he has already made, mainly for being the protagonist of last year's championship decision, when he crashed alone, forcing the entry of the safety car, which culminated in the victory and the title of Max Verstappen over Lewis Hamilton.

I'm sorry but Latifi is too bad to be in F1, who's going to want him?

Who's going to want him? A struggling team that needs to get hold of some money to fund their team and the car development that comes with it. Latifi is a pay driver in case didn't know. He wasn't given his drive because he's a good driver. He was given the Williams seat because his dad gave millions to the team and brought other sponsors to support Williams.

You guys look it up. I guess Latifi could go to Haas if they want to accept his money... At least I hope he goes to Haas or some other team. He's good for the memes. Lolol.

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I read the news in F1 Instagram page which is highlighted as BREAKING there for Zhou to continue with Alfa Romeo Orlen.I have nothing against it except the motivation which showed that Zhou showed sensational performance in his first year in a F1 car said Alfa Rome team for the decision.I follow F1 every single session from free practice to the races and I rarely miss one,I have apparently missed this sensational performance from Zhou during this season as I have seen nothing sensational from him so far during the season in F1.

For me most probably what is sensational are his sponsors which I think have convinced Alfa Romeo to extend another year the contract with him.

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Quote from: bestcoins1 on September 27, 2022, 06:01:33 AM

Yeah, 18 points is not a lot for Pecco Bagnaia to chase and it could be very easy to chase if Fabio Quartararo doesn't finish in a good position in the next race (ThailandGP) this week. And I predict that this week's race which takes place in Thailand will be very exciting if the circuit does not rain.

There are two straight tracks on the Chang Thailand circuit that Ducati can take advantage of and it seems that the Ducati riders did not hear the instructions from Davide Tardozzi. They will all fight as usual without seeing Pecco Bagnaia who is fighting for the world title this season.

If Bagnaia can get back to the run/form he had before the Japan Grand Prix, the 18 points won't be much, that's true, but let's wait and see if he has the nerve to do it, he knows it's all about the World Championship title again like last year when he crashed. If he finds the lightness and finishes first in Thailand, it will be difficult for Fabio.

I don't think there will be a stable order from Ducati in the next 2 races, which I could imagine, if Bagnaia is behind Miller, Miller won't really spread himself, Miller has said he wants to help Bagnaia and Ducati.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 26, 2022, 04:45:48 AM

18 points is not really much, you only have to slip once, there are still 100 points to be awarded, but if Fabio does it cleverly he could keep the lead until the end, correctly Bagnaia and Aleix now have the pressure to always be in front of Fabio, but it remains exciting.

Yeah, 18 points is not a lot for Pecco Bagnaia to chase and it could be very easy to chase if Fabio Quartararo doesn't finish in a good position in the next race (ThailandGP) this week. And I predict that this week's race which takes place in Thailand will be very exciting if the circuit does not rain.

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In Thailand I expect the Ducatis to be at the front again, long straights favour the Ducatis a bit, Bagnaia had a run, he mustn't get too nervous now.

There are two straight tracks on the Chang Thailand circuit that Ducati can take advantage of and it seems that the Ducati riders did not hear the instructions from Davide Tardozzi. They will all fight as usual without seeing Pecco Bagnaia who is fighting for the world title this season.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on September 26, 2022, 06:44:02 AM

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Furthermore Verstappen seems to be the new Hamilton, because currently he looks unstoppable and it’s quite possible that going ahead he can easily break Hamilton’s records in F1.

This is the thing I'm afraid of the most.

If Verstappen continues to dominate F1 for long years seasons will start to become boring again. Verstappen is so close to increasing his title streak to two seasons now. I have hopes about next season though. Because it depends on how much Ferrari and Mercedes develop themselves to be a serious competitor for Red Bull. Maybe we can see McLaren or Alpine doing much better than this too but it is still difficult for them to join the title race as there is a big gap to close up.

Even if Verstappen wins that season also, at least I hope to see a big competition for the championship between two or maybe even three drivers. These drivers would be Verstappen, Leclerc and Hamilton I guess. Hamilton wants the 8th title to own the record only himself so I don't think he would let Russell get past him when they both have fast cars.

I feel like it's not going to be that easy for Verstappen. I mean look at it this way, Hamilton used to win with 30+ seconds, sometimes as high as 1 minute difference to closest one. I remember very clearly the 2020 silverstone where he literally finished the last lap with one tire missing and still won, he was that much dominant.

Verstappen doesn't have that, sure he looks like the best one right now, but let's remember how it looked during first weeks of the season. Ferrari got worse, Mercedes got better, next season when both of those teams get it together they are going to be a tough opponent for Verstappen for sure. I don't see that kind of domination to be fair.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 25, 2022, 11:28:04 PM

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Furthermore Verstappen seems to be the new Hamilton, because currently he looks unstoppable and it’s quite possible that going ahead he can easily break Hamilton’s records in F1.

This is the thing I'm afraid of the most.

If Verstappen continues to dominate F1 for long years seasons will start to become boring again. Verstappen is so close to increasing his title streak to two seasons now. I have hopes about next season though. Because it depends on how much Ferrari and Mercedes develop themselves to be a serious competitor for Red Bull. Maybe we can see McLaren or Alpine doing much better than this too but it is still difficult for them to join the title race as there is a big gap to close up.

Even if Verstappen wins that season also, at least I hope to see a big competition for the championship between two or maybe even three drivers. These drivers would be Verstappen, Leclerc and Hamilton I guess. Hamilton wants the 8th title to own the record only himself so I don't think he would let Russell get past him when they both have fast cars.

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Quote from: Fakhrulenclix on September 25, 2022, 04:31:38 AM

18 points lead makes Quartararo more comfortable in the remaining 4 Races this season, he just needs to be consistent to become world champion. and now the pressure is back on Bagnaia, even though before the Motegi Race Bagnaia was very convincing to be able to approach Quartararo's points which he had done in several previous Races but unfortunately he was in a hurry and made a mistake on the last lap that made him fall.
Now Bagnaia has to fight hard in the remaining 4 Races of the season, this will still be interesting because 18 points are still very likely to be pursued.

18 points is not really much, you only have to slip once, there are still 100 points to be awarded, but if Fabio does it cleverly he could keep the lead until the end, correctly Bagnaia and Aleix now have the pressure to always be in front of Fabio, but it remains exciting.

In Thailand I expect the Ducatis to be at the front again, long straights favour the Ducatis a bit, Bagnaia had a run, he mustn't get too nervous now.

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Quote from: Fakhrulenclix on September 25, 2022, 04:31:38 AM

18 points lead makes Quartararo more comfortable in the remaining 4 Races this season, he just needs to be consistent to become world champion. and now the pressure is back on Bagnaia, even though before the Motegi Race Bagnaia was very convincing to be able to approach Quartararo's points which he had done in several previous Races but unfortunately he was in a hurry and made a mistake on the last lap that made him fall.
Now Bagnaia has to fight hard in the remaining 4 Races of the season, this will still be interesting because 18 points are still very likely to be pursued.

The next race this week will be held at the Chang International circuit located in Buriram Thailand. In general it is still in Asia and Fabio Quartararo has also had good achievements there, besides that the Ducati motorbike was also very good when it was still ridden by Dovizioso a few years ago before the pandemic occurred.
Now what's interesting is that they (Fabio and Pecco) will both fight there to keep getting as many points as possible because this is a very fierce competition and it's almost the end of the season.

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Well I woke up early today and I was not at all disappointed from the race,I would of course loved to see Marquez winning but he could not keep the lead for that many laps.What I loved the most was Jack Miller winning the race and I don't know if he had won many races lately but the last race that he won that I remember was in Australia many years ago,in his home race when all the legends like Rossi,Lorenzo and others were also racing,the race of today in Japan it revived many beautiful memories to me.

This season Jack Miller has just won his first race and he has done an incredible job winning races in Japan with Ducati before he moves to KTM next season.
On the one hand, Ducati was happy with the victory given by Jack Miller, but on the other hand, Ducati was very sad when they saw Pecco Bagnaia crash in the final laps of the race.

For Marc Marquez I was also amazing because he was able to get first place in qualifying in wet conditions, but he got tired very quickly when fighting in dry conditions so he didn't get on the podium after fighting against the riders from KTM (Miguel Oliveira and Brad Binder)

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It looks like the straights are too long on this track which might cause it to be a little boring for spectators. Of course this would help us see more overtakes but the track would just be uniform because of lacking many sharp turns. But I'm always open for new tracks in F1 as this might help increase the curiosity level of people in this sport. Having always the same tracks might start to be boring for some people at some point. I wonder if we will see Caribbean GP being added later into 2023 calendar.

I think I like the layout.

It has big breaks so it means more overtakes, but it also depends on how large the street is.

Fun fact it will be hot whenever they will race always over 30°C

September and October seem lovely for a race on this track. Maybe we might see some rain which would make the race even more attracting for people. Grin

Singapore GP is closing in as there is only a week left. This is one of the very lovely races in F1 due to being a night race.

Let's see how long Verstappen's winning streak will continue - 5 wins for now. Leclerc will hope him to make a mistake or have a problem with his car to win this. Otherwise there is no chance I'm afraid.

I'd like to add Hamilton's unforgettable lap on this track in 2018: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI3JzYCL3K0

@Distraction night races are always fun to watch, and even if the weather is hot I’m sure that the fans will enjoy watching this race and as an additional bonuses let’s hope that we get to see some over taking's taking place. Furthermore Verstappen seems to be the new Hamilton, because currently he looks unstoppable and it’s quite possible that going ahead he can easily break Hamilton’s records in F1.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 24, 2022, 04:13:47 PM

Quote from: Distraction on September 24, 2022, 12:12:40 PM

It looks like the straights are too long on this track which might cause it to be a little boring for spectators. Of course this would help us see more overtakes but the track would just be uniform because of lacking many sharp turns. But I'm always open for new tracks in F1 as this might help increase the curiosity level of people in this sport. Having always the same tracks might start to be boring for some people at some point. I wonder if we will see Caribbean GP being added later into 2023 calendar.

I think I like the layout.

It has big breaks so it means more overtakes, but it also depends on how large the street is.

Fun fact it will be hot whenever they will race always over 30°C

September and October seem lovely for a race on this track. Maybe we might see some rain which would make the race even more attracting for people. Grin

Singapore GP is closing in as there is only a week left. This is one of the very lovely races in F1 due to being a night race.

Let's see how long Verstappen's winning streak will continue - 5 wins for now. Leclerc will hope him to make a mistake or have a problem with his car to win this. Otherwise there is no chance I'm afraid.

I'd like to add Hamilton's unforgettable lap on this track in 2018: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI3JzYCL3K0

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