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Quote from: Luzin on July 12, 2022, 06:21:52 AM

It doesn't seem that too many people on this forum like MotoGP. I see some of the posts above discussing F1. But it doesn't matter I'm quite informed even though I didn't really follow after the Michael Schumacer era.

It's not a problem that not too many people like MotoGP, but because there is nothing to discuss during this time off so most people just watch F1 while waiting for the second half of MotoGP to start and some people also don't follow MotoGP anymore after the era of Valentino Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo and Pedrosa where they were so often referred to as the fantastic four in the past are no longer in MotoGP at this time.

Quote from: Koal-84 on July 12, 2022, 09:21:11 AM

Right here in the forum, MotoGP is not as popular as Formula 1, and MotoGP has just had its summer break, so the only thing you hear or see is how the MotoGP riders spend their holidays.

What I see is that some of the riders are enjoying their vacation and some of them have also got their weddings because considering this is the perfect time to take advantage of the summer break.

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I think Marc Marquez will never come back as strong as he once was, he overdid it right after the first crash and went to the limit again with the known consequences. He is still a very good rider and will win the one or other race but I don't think he will become world champion again.

The same. I also don't think that Marquez will fight for the world title again because it has started to be difficult for him and also he will be very difficult to win this season because his competitors now are young riders who are still very strong with their respective manufacturers.

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Redbull is dominating here.

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Quote from: Luzin on July 12, 2022, 06:21:52 AM

It doesn't seem that too many people on this forum like MotoGP. I see some of the posts above discussing F1. But it doesn't matter I'm quite informed even though I didn't really follow after the Michael Schumacer era.
I saw some sports news on TV that Marquez had already taken off his arm support. That seems to be good news, maybe Marquez wants to get back to racing soon. But they shouldn't have forced it anymore, Marquez should have healed completely. I think if he's forced it will ruin his tubu. He's been on the operating table a lot and it's a severe injury.
Although he returns later, maybe Marquez needs to study psychology so that he can save more and not put his life in danger too much. Next up is the Silverstone GP, England. last year Quartararo was champion here. What's next week?

Right here in the forum, MotoGP is not as popular as Formula 1, and MotoGP has just had its summer break, so the only thing you hear or see is how the MotoGP riders spend their holidays.

I think Marc Marquez will never come back as strong as he once was, he overdid it right after the first crash and went to the limit again with the known consequences. He is still a very good rider and will win the one or other race but I don't think he will become world champion again.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 10, 2022, 12:19:00 PM

it was easily a 1-2 for Ferrari but sadly Sainz got some problems.

Have you seen the Haas? they were using the new version of the Ferrari Hybrid engine and they were so fast! Ferrari will use it soon aswell

Yup! Schumacher at 6th? I think that's the highest finish he's ever had since he joined Haas or F1 for that matter. And two spots above Magnussen too.

Can't wait to see more in a couple of weeks.

And when do you think is Ferrari using the new version of those power units. I think from a fan perspective, use it asap! Verstappen seems so relaxed rn. I wanna see Leclerc win three straight races and make the driver's championship close... That way we'll see Verstappen back in villain mode like he did vs Hamilton. Grin

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Quote from: Cnut237 on July 12, 2022, 02:10:42 AM

Red Bull and Max certainly remain favourites for the title. Ferrari's reliability concern is not improving, and a couple of DNFs for Leclerc would ruin the season for him, even if he won most of the other races. And I'm not totally convinced about the new Ferrari pace advantage yet, we need to see it at more than one track.

The next track in France should tell us more than this one,as here we had three DRS zones so that helped a lot the Ferraris without removing their speed which looked like it has improved.In the Haas it surely has and for next race these upgrades are also scheduled to be installed in the Ferraris.It will be difficult for Ferrari and Leclerc to win the Championship even if they are better in speed as we have seen Redbull plays really well in defense too,by minimizing the damage to just 6 points lost from such race.Doing such calculation and taking into account any reliability problem for Ferrari things are not looking good.

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It doesn't seem that too many people on this forum like MotoGP. I see some of the posts above discussing F1. But it doesn't matter I'm quite informed even though I didn't really follow after the Michael Schumacer era.
I saw some sports news on TV that Marquez had already taken off his arm support. That seems to be good news, maybe Marquez wants to get back to racing soon. But they shouldn't have forced it anymore, Marquez should have healed completely. I think if he's forced it will ruin his tubu. He's been on the operating table a lot and it's a severe injury.
Although he returns later, maybe Marquez needs to study psychology so that he can save more and not put his life in danger too much. Next up is the Silverstone GP, England. last year Quartararo was champion here. What's next week?

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Why did they got update earlier than Ferrari?

Maybe they need data for the simulator or maybe they needed to test the affordability, whatever it was we don't know yet.

Haas did a huge step in speed with the evolution of the engine.

(Sainz will probably take a penalty next GP and if that the case he maybe use the the engine and unlock it.)

If that is going to be the same upgrade to have such a nice engine as the performance upgrade that we saw at Haas this race,at Ferrari then most probably is game over for Verstappen and Redbull if Redbull don't have any plan on major upgrades during the year.What I know for sure is that the official holiday season will only be holiday for the drivers,the teams at the garage I bet they will be working hard during all August to bring those massive upgrades to their teams in order for them to perform better.The only team who has stop further development to this year car because their full focus is on next year so far is McLaren.

Yesterday Leclerc made a hat trick with three overtakes,all of them on Verstappen.

Red Bull could certainly do an improvement on their car if they want to, but the question is, would you rather spend money on this year's car, or would it be better to spend that money on next year's car?

There is a limited amount of people working on the car, and limited amount of resources, so if you focus on this year's car, then you would continue the upgrades from where you left off this year when next season starts. They are already ahead so much, as a team they are even further ahead, would they be able to keep that difference locked and ready until the season ends? Or will they need to improve to win it this year? I do not know, I mean even at the current rate, they may still win the title, who knows?

I strongly believe that Redbull can’t afford to get over confident here, and they should definitely work on their upgrades for this season to make sure that they continue to remain ahead of their competition.

Quote from: Cnut237 on July 12, 2022, 02:10:42 AM

Red Bull and Max certainly remain favourites for the title. Ferrari's reliability concern is not improving, and a couple of DNFs for Leclerc would ruin the season for him, even if he won most of the other races. And I'm not totally convinced about the new Ferrari pace advantage yet, we need to see it at more than one track.

@Cnut237 I totally agree with you because Ferrari promised us lots of stuff, but so far it’s Redbull that’s stealing the show hence in my personal opinion Max is definitely the favourite to win the title.

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Red Bull and Max certainly remain favourites for the title. Ferrari's reliability concern is not improving, and a couple of DNFs for Leclerc would ruin the season for him, even if he won most of the other races. And I'm not totally convinced about the new Ferrari pace advantage yet, we need to see it at more than one track.

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Why did they got update earlier than Ferrari?

Maybe they need data for the simulator or maybe they needed to test the affordability, whatever it was we don't know yet.

Haas did a huge step in speed with the evolution of the engine.

(Sainz will probably take a penalty next GP and if that the case he maybe use the the engine and unlock it.)

If that is going to be the same upgrade to have such a nice engine as the performance upgrade that we saw at Haas this race,at Ferrari then most probably is game over for Verstappen and Redbull if Redbull don't have any plan on major upgrades during the year.What I know for sure is that the official holiday season will only be holiday for the drivers,the teams at the garage I bet they will be working hard during all August to bring those massive upgrades to their teams in order for them to perform better.The only team who has stop further development to this year car because their full focus is on next year so far is McLaren.

Yesterday Leclerc made a hat trick with three overtakes,all of them on Verstappen.

Red Bull could certainly do an improvement on their car if they want to, but the question is, would you rather spend money on this year's car, or would it be better to spend that money on next year's car?

There is a limited amount of people working on the car, and limited amount of resources, so if you focus on this year's car, then you would continue the upgrades from where you left off this year when next season starts. They are already ahead so much, as a team they are even further ahead, would they be able to keep that difference locked and ready until the season ends? Or will they need to improve to win it this year? I do not know, I mean even at the current rate, they may still win the title, who knows?

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Quote from: LTU_btc on July 10, 2022, 03:28:57 PM

Why did they got update earlier than Ferrari?

Maybe they need data for the simulator or maybe they needed to test the affordability, whatever it was we don't know yet.

Haas did a huge step in speed with the evolution of the engine.

(Sainz will probably take a penalty next GP and if that the case he maybe use the the engine and unlock it.)

If that is going to be the same upgrade to have such a nice engine as the performance upgrade that we saw at Haas this race,at Ferrari then most probably is game over for Verstappen and Redbull if Redbull don't have any plan on major upgrades during the year.What I know for sure is that the official holiday season will only be holiday for the drivers,the teams at the garage I bet they will be working hard during all August to bring those massive upgrades to their teams in order for them to perform better.The only team who has stop further development to this year car because their full focus is on next year so far is McLaren.

Yesterday Leclerc made a hat trick with three overtakes,all of them on Verstappen.

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We will see what the problem of Sainz was, the update worked so beautifully on Haas, they could fight Mercedes!

I don't know when they want to implement Ferrari.

I also noticed that Haas is very strong, but Alfa was not so strong. Did Ferrari also upgrade the engine or did Haas change something bigger in the aerodynamics?

At the Red Bull Ring the Ferrari was definitely stronger than the Red Bull, but reliability is a big weakness for Ferrari if they want to fight for the constructors' title.

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Honestly? It looks like Ferrari gave up reliability for power here, and that paid out for one racer at least. I know that Sainz didn't finish, but when he was racing he was close to overtake Max and that rarely ever happens, and Charles did it 3 times. So the car could be less reliable right now, but it is certainly much much faster. Red Bull needs to just keep it like this and not try to get faster, why? Because if they could keep the reliability issues to a minimum, its obvious that Charles can't win all races, and that will result with Max getting at least some more wins, and he is far off enough to feel comfortable about it.

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Ferrari were still dealing with serious problems even though they were faster than Red Bull today. Sainz got rid of a disaster by getting out of his car in time. Leclerc was nearly DNF too if there were at least a few more laps to go. The team must solve their issues as quick as possible. We are in the middle of the season but they still haven't learned their lesson. Otherwise being the champions will stay as a dream for them. These problems will most probably cause Leclerc to end the season without being the champion as well.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on July 10, 2022, 03:28:57 PM

Why did they got update earlier than Ferrari?

Maybe they need data for the simulator or maybe they needed to test the affordability, whatever it was we don't know yet.

Haas did a huge step in speed with the evolution of the engine.

(Sainz will probably take a penalty next GP and if that the case he maybe use the the engine and unlock it.)

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No doubts Ferrari would have taken first two place if not Sainz engine failure. Sainz literally started overtake attempt when his engine stopped working. It's so disappointing for him. Well deserved win for Leclerc, even with technical issues in the end, Verstappen had no chance to reach him. And finally Ferrari didn't failed with their strategy.
What a perfromance by Schumacher. P6 and 2nd race in a row in points. So good to see him improving, while having decent car and not crashing it.
And I think that rules is sometimes unfair. Russel ruined race for Perez and got just 5 second penalty which barely affected his result.

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Have you seen the Haas? they were using the new version of the Ferrari Hybrid engine and they were so fast! Ferrari will use it soon aswell

Why did they got update earlier than Ferrari?

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It was a very good day for Ferrari actually. I'm saying this despite the big problem Sainz had with his car while he was almost getting past Verstappen. I really don't know what went wrong but I'm grateful that Sainz didn't get injured after that fire. Leclerc was almost going to have a problem also as there was some issue with his throttle pedal. But he made it to the end as the leader even though the gap was very close in last lap. Leclerc fully deserved this victory as he was faster than Verstappen in this race.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on July 10, 2022, 12:24:52 PM

I dont know that coinlocket$, yes HAAS seems really fast.

The main problem is, are this new engines reliable? BEcause i think Ferrari its in serious troubles if they dont fix that.

We will see what the problem of Sainz was, the update worked so beautifully on Haas, they could fight Mercedes!

I don't know when they want to implement Ferrari.

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Quote from: ingiltere on July 10, 2022, 01:41:25 PM

Poor Sainz was devastated. He could've finished second but engine failed. Leclerc deserved to win the race. It's not a bad race for Verstappen but Leclerc was better.

I am so pained. Sainz would have been on the podium with Leclerc and Max had his engine not gone up in flames in lap 57. On the other hand, I am delighted for Leclerc to see him win again. By all means Ferrari has to do something quickly about the reliability of their car. It is of paramount importance. There would have been two Ferraris on the podium.

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Quote from: karabiber on July 10, 2022, 01:08:55 PM

The race started smoothly. Leclerc didn't let Verstappen catch up after the first laps and stuck with his opponent by keeping track. However, the race was a huge disappointment and his engine failed for Carlos Sainz. At the end of the day, Leclerc shot Red Bull at home. Leclerc had his fifth career victory. Congratulations.

Poor Sainz was devastated. He could've finished second but engine failed. Leclerc deserved to win the race. It's not a bad race for Verstappen but Leclerc was better. Perez also couldn't finish the race after collision with Russell. Good day for Mercedes as they got third and fourth place. It was another race for both Ferrari and RB Racing to not finish with both pilots. I believe Leclerc will be better after every race, he get used to first place. That was his fifth win total and third win this season.
Mick Schumacher was the racer of the day and he well deserved it. His second points this season and best place by finishing sixth.

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The race started smoothly. Leclerc didn't let Verstappen catch up after the first laps and stuck with his opponent by keeping track. However, the race was a huge disappointment and his engine failed for Carlos Sainz. At the end of the day, Leclerc shot Red Bull at home. Leclerc had his fifth career victory. Congratulations.

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