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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on June 26, 2022, 03:50:35 PM

Ferrari still has a lot of work to do. In fact, Red Bull of the top teams only seems to have its affairs in order now. Mercedes was disappointing at the start of the season and is still disappointing. Every race they should be happy if they fall into the points, and Hamilton will be happy if he can be on the podium with a 3rd place. That was different in recent years, of course. I don't see Mercedes solving this problem just like that. The gap to Red Bull and Ferrari is huge at the moment. Leclerc will be very disappointed with his retirements.

Worse than that is a disappointing truth...
As soon as the season started I believed that Ferrari had the ideal car to shine again on the podiums, but this enthusiasm soon turned to disappointment.
I would like to believe that the big problem this year was the radical changes imposed on the teams, but nothing justifies so many problems.
This is going to be a pretty unpredictable season, so it's best to hold on to your enthusiasm and save your chips for the next season.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on June 26, 2022, 03:50:35 PM

Ferrari still has a lot of work to do. In fact, Red Bull of the top teams only seems to have its affairs in order now. Mercedes was disappointing at the start of the season and is still disappointing. Every race they should be happy if they fall into the points, and Hamilton will be happy if he can be on the podium with a 3rd place. That was different in recent years, of course. I don't see Mercedes solving this problem just like that. The gap to Red Bull and Ferrari is huge at the moment. Leclerc will be very disappointed with his retirements.

I would like to make a big mistake, but I think that only Ferrari in the person of Leclerc can still impose a fight on Red Bull in the person of Max Verstappen for the Formula 1 champion title. Just for this, Ferrari needs to solve problems with the reliability of its car and it seems that there is still time for this, even if not so much and coming the races will be decisive in this sense. Still, in general, losing points due to a car going off the track in the middle of the season due to ongoing problems with engine reliability is not the case, in theory, it's time now to simply eliminate minor roughness. By the way, Ferrari's F1 client cars also have reliability problems. I also think that Mercedes is able to solve problems with its cars and claim podiums and even victories in the remaining races, but I agree with the team leader Toto Wolff that the train has already left and there is no chance of winning the championship anymore.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on June 26, 2022, 03:51:11 PM

We are going to have another Grand Prix in Silverstone next weekend and I'm getting more excited day by day. This time Hamilton's chance to win the race seems very low unfortunately. Mercedes are newly recovering and the latest change in the regulation would take some time for Mercedes to start being able to compete with the biggest teams in the grid now. As long as we don't see big surprises in this race it isn't happening this time for sure. For the victory, I'm favouring Leclerc despite having problems lately.

Not sure if Ferrari should be better than Redbull in Silverstone.

We will have high-speed turns, and Ferrari is the best car for low-speed turns, we will see.

Also the weather, rain is a possibility.

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Quote from: FanEagle on June 26, 2022, 03:43:47 PM

The fact that Ferrari changed their engine before Silverstone shows that they are really meaning business this race and winning there is a big win, that's not an ordinary race, winning Silverstone is special for all drivers, just like monaco and few other places which are special for F1 to race. In the end, even with a new engine, if they do some silly pitstop mistakes that they will not end up with a win and they will lose out even with a better car, so they need to be careful.

I do not remember many times Red Bull pit wall made any mistakes, their strategies are always impeccable, maybe a few mistakes in history that I can't remember but they rarely ever do, and in order to beat them, you need to be perfect like that too.

Ferrari needs to make the most out of these races which the tracks are mixed one between fast and slow corners making Silverstone a medium speed track and extremely technical,after that there is Hungary and Austria which are also not the fastest tracks out there.They need to be perfect both the drivers and the team,I know for sure the drivers will deliver here as they are eager to show what they are worth and especially Leclerc which is in the fight for the title however even a small error from the pit wall crew can screw any driver race.

Today was a boring Sunday without F1 so I already look forward to the upcoming Sunday and the race.

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We are going to have another Grand Prix in Silverstone next weekend and I'm getting more excited day by day. This time Hamilton's chance to win the race seems very low unfortunately. Mercedes are newly recovering and the latest change in the regulation would take some time for Mercedes to start being able to compete with the biggest teams in the grid now. As long as we don't see big surprises in this race it isn't happening this time for sure. For the victory, I'm favouring Leclerc despite having problems lately.

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Ferrari still has a lot of work to do. In fact, Red Bull of the top teams only seems to have its affairs in order now. Mercedes was disappointing at the start of the season and is still disappointing. Every race they should be happy if they fall into the points, and Hamilton will be happy if he can be on the podium with a 3rd place. That was different in recent years, of course. I don't see Mercedes solving this problem just like that. The gap to Red Bull and Ferrari is huge at the moment. Leclerc will be very disappointed with his retirements.

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The fact that Ferrari changed their engine before Silverstone shows that they are really meaning business this race and winning there is a big win, that's not an ordinary race, winning Silverstone is special for all drivers, just like monaco and few other places which are special for F1 to race. In the end, even with a new engine, if they do some silly pitstop mistakes that they will not end up with a win and they will lose out even with a better car, so they need to be careful.

I do not remember many times Red Bull pit wall made any mistakes, their strategies are always impeccable, maybe a few mistakes in history that I can't remember but they rarely ever do, and in order to beat them, you need to be perfect like that too.

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From the start I wasn't sure about Quartararo and it happened. Quartararo fell, he seemed to have pushed his way through the inside a bit. He looks like he wants to get into second place. Not only once after changing the bike he fell again in the same place. Only then did he stop dropping out of the race.
Here are the results of the 1-10 races in the Netherlands.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/gp-results/2022/NED/MotoGP/RAC/Classification

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Quote from: uswa56 on June 26, 2022, 03:16:36 AM

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Assen has always been a good track for Yamaha, I think it depends on the start, is Fabio in front and can pull through his program and set the pace, Bagnaia comes under pressure and like the last race again crash. That would then be the final world championship fight out for Bagnaia. When driving behind and overtake the Yamaha is not so strong.

Yamaha is very compatible with the Assen circuit, yes that's true and in terms of speed, Yamaha is inferior to Ducati but Yamaha's acceleration and braking are far superior, at the Assen circuit there are not many straight tracks which therefore there is no advantage that Bagnaia can take with his Ducati bike. .
and last season Fabio Quartararo was able to win the Assen MotoGP, and it is not impossible that he will also reap the same success this season.

Exactly Yamaha is very competitive in Assen, but if Yamaha rides behind the Ducati it will still be very difficult for Fabio to overtake, there Fabio must be very late on the brakes to be able to overtake Ducati, but we'll see since Aleix and Aprilia is also to be reckoned with.

In Formula 1 may soon be announced the entry of Porsche (RedBull) and Audi (possibly Sauber), it is only waiting for the new engine Reglemant.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-einstieg-porsche-audi-motor-reglement-2026/

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Mistake fromm Fabio, sorry before him and Aleix, so i Hope Bagnaia one, that's good for the world championship. So it remains exciting after the summer break.

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Quote from: swogerino on June 23, 2022, 10:33:41 AM

I don't think Redbull and Ferrari are that in disadvantage against Mercedes and McLaren because of this new decision.Both Mercedes an McLaren who runs a Mercedes engine are suffering in speed,meaning in their power unit,the gains that they may make because of this new decision will not make their engines faster thus they remain no threat to Redbull and Ferrari.Redbull so far has the fastest top speed in straights and Ferrari has improved a lot in this direction.In the upcoming race we will see again that it will be dominated by these two teams and in such track like the upcoming one Mercedes won't be a threat to Redbull or Ferrari,I am not counting McLaren at all (although I am their fan) because they have a disastrous car so far in the season.

This regulation can help Mercedes get close to them in time but for now the situation is like you indicated. For the upcoming race, I think that Mercedes won't compete hard against Red Bull and Ferrari again. They still have a long way to go now. It is really difficult to predict which one of Red Bull and Ferrari would be more successful in this race. Ferrari need to collect so many points right now after having those problematic races. Especially Leclerc needs to do this a lot as Verstappen is getting far away from him in the standings.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 26, 2022, 03:01:53 AM

Assen has always been a good track for Yamaha, I think it depends on the start, is Fabio in front and can pull through his program and set the pace, Bagnaia comes under pressure and like the last race again crash. That would then be the final world championship fight out for Bagnaia. When driving behind and overtake the Yamaha is not so strong.

Yamaha is very compatible with the Assen circuit, yes that's true and in terms of speed, Yamaha is inferior to Ducati but Yamaha's acceleration and braking are far superior, at the Assen circuit there are not many straight tracks which therefore there is no advantage that Bagnaia can take with his Ducati bike. .
and last season Fabio Quartararo was able to win the Assen MotoGP, and it is not impossible that he will also reap the same success this season.

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Quote from: blue Snow on June 26, 2022, 02:15:21 AM

Quartararo is still my favorite because the winner last year ago, so he won't be stiff to make it again tonight. Even Bagnaia in 1st grid, Quartararo will immediately step on the gas to overtake him. So what about the Miller incident? is he got a penalty?. I don't watch the grid position, maybe he got the last grid for his mistake.

Quote from: junmisakiro on June 26, 2022, 02:50:25 AM

as usual Quartararo is a strong rider in the race even though he is behind Bagnaia during qualifying, the Yamaha motorbike is now very perfect ridden by Quartararo, he is able to control it very well and at the TT Circuit Assen is a circuit that is very suitable for the Yamaha motorbike , it has been proven in several seasons Yamaha can always appear dominant in this circuit.

Assen has always been a good track for Yamaha, I think it depends on the start, is Fabio in front and can pull through his program and set the pace, Bagnaia comes under pressure and like the last race again crash. That would then be the final world championship fight out for Bagnaia. When driving behind and overtake the Yamaha is not so strong.

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Quote from: blue Snow on June 26, 2022, 02:15:21 AM

Quote from: Koal-84 on June 25, 2022, 01:08:49 PM

But about today's qualifying, Bagnaia once again a dream lap, but Fabio is right behind, it is now finally time that Bagnaia also delivers results in the race.

Quartararo is still my favorite because the winner last year ago, so he won't be stiff to make it again tonight. Even Bagnaia in 1st grid, Quartararo will immediately step on the gas to overtake him. So what about the Miller incident? is he got a penalty?. I don't watch the grid position, maybe he got the last grid for his mistake.

as usual Quartararo is a strong rider in the race even though he is behind Bagnaia during qualifying, the Yamaha motorbike is now very perfect ridden by Quartararo, he is able to control it very well and at the TT Circuit Assen is a circuit that is very suitable for the Yamaha motorbike , it has been proven in several seasons Yamaha can always appear dominant in this circuit.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 25, 2022, 01:08:49 PM

But about today's qualifying, Bagnaia once again a dream lap, but Fabio is right behind, it is now finally time that Bagnaia also delivers results in the race.

Quartararo is still my favorite because the winner last year ago, so he won't be stiff to make it again tonight. Even Bagnaia in 1st grid, Quartararo will immediately step on the gas to overtake him. So what about the Miller incident? is he got a penalty?. I don't watch the grid position, maybe he got the last grid for his mistake.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 25, 2022, 01:08:49 PM

Hard to say according to the grid Aleix is still fifth, maybe that would have been the case on Saturday with the 105% rule? I have searched a lot but only found that there is the rule but no consequences for the Friday practice?

For too heavy a consequence for Aleix there is no because he fought really well in FP3 yesterday so today he can start the race very calmly and well. And this is despite the Yellow Flags incident after FP3.

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But about today's qualifying, Bagnaia once again a dream lap, but Fabio is right behind, it is now finally time that Bagnaia also delivers results in the race.

The record time for the three riders who were in front today was very good because they were able to overtake last year's lap record set by Maverick Vinales when he was still at Yamaha. So the time gap difference for the three is also not too far away and there will definitely be a very exciting race today if Bagnaia and Quartararo don't have any incidents or crashes.

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Silverstone is coming up next. Max will feel a validation thanks to this race because there is a history there. Last year he was crashed into and Hamilton caused him to have one of the biggest car crashes that he ever had. This year, Hamilton is nowhere near his levels, and Max will be lifting the trophy for sure and if he doesn't have anything to say about it, at least it would be talked about by fans for sure.

It is going to surely be a race where Hamilton would support Charles over Max and hope that Charles could use his new engine to bring a win, otherwise it is going to be a Max fans galore all week talking about how Hamilton sucked and when he couldn't crash, he lost etc etc other stuff. Can't wait to watch it, another week and we will have it.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on June 24, 2022, 09:24:32 PM

Now he is going to stay.
I also thought that he is personally a little interested in Red Bull.
But that place is not going to be available till 2024.

Not sure if it is a good choice for Redbull.
They will keep Perez and this year Perez is not so happy with his role as the second driver of the team.

A war with Max could happen soon.

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Quote from: bestcoins1 on June 25, 2022, 03:01:38 AM

It seems YES, because if you look at the news made by MotoGp itself since 16 hours ago that " the Spaniard is now officially the slowest among the 25 riders. Therefore Espargaro will rely on FP3 to dry to give himself a chance to avoid Q1"

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/06/24/aleix-espargaro-penalised-for-fp2-technical-infringement/427451

Hard to say according to the grid Aleix is still fifth, maybe that would have been the case on Saturday with the 105% rule? I have searched a lot but only found that there is the rule but no consequences for the Friday practice?

But about today's qualifying, Bagnaia once again a dream lap, but Fabio is right behind, it is now finally time that Bagnaia also delivers results in the race.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on June 24, 2022, 09:43:27 AM

The results obviously have not been up to the expectations and it is totally understandable why this is happening.
They obviously cannot just wait and hope for things to get better.
Alex Rins is a very capable driver and I think he actually might lose his place to Alex Rins. This makes me wonder about his future!

Actually the future is clear now and on the one hand LCR also needs better riders like the example of Alex Rins who already has a lot of experience in racing and controlling the bike very well. And for Alex Marquez he also gets a much better place even though he is still in an independent or satellite team, but the Gresini team uses a Ducati motorcycle engine which is very famous for its power.

Quote from: Koal-84 on June 24, 2022, 02:08:29 PM

Does this mean that Aleix now has to start from the last grid position?

It seems YES, because if you look at the news made by MotoGp itself since 16 hours ago that " the Spaniard is now officially the slowest among the 25 riders. Therefore Espargaro will rely on FP3 to dry to give himself a chance to avoid Q1"

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/06/24/aleix-espargaro-penalised-for-fp2-technical-infringement/427451

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Quote from: darewaller on June 24, 2022, 04:20:38 PM

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At the start of the season it looked like Max had the reliability issues, and then it switched sides and that caused Charles to lose a lot of points. But, Max wins almost all races he finishes, so that shows that maybe it is not just about reliability, but more about how Max has a better race pace.

It is not even just about the cars neither, sure Red Bull seems like the better car during the race, but Max really makes sure that there is even no doubts, he is that much better than everybody. I wonder if we are starting to see a situation where it is like Hamilton who is a great driver but also driving the best car on the track, hence a domination type of deal with Max and Red Bull and this new cars.

It is easy to see that Max will definitely be the winner this year, there is nothing shocking about that and everyone can see that already. However, we need to realize that cars are just getting started, this is the very first season with these cars, all that bouncing is brand new problem and teams are working on it very clearly.

Of course they can't change everything about a car that quickly, it's milimeter per milimeter changes each race, and if you somehow go to wrong direction on one race, you will have to wait for the next one to go to other way, and this is why it is taking so long. I believe next year everyone else will get there, everyone will be much better. I see even Williams eventually reaching the pace of top 10 this year, but they will do that in a few years probably and not this year lol.

While it looks like it will be very easy for Verstappen to win the drivers Championship I think it would not be that easy.Ferrari is there,is fast and lately in the last race showed that even in a fast track where Redbull was the favorite they did pretty well,now there are a couple of mixed tracks where the speed is medium in these tracks,meaning they are not fast ones and Ferrari here is clearly the favorite.We have to see the British,Hungarian GP and Austrian GP which are the upcoming events and if Ferrari is not able to get maximum points or the 1st place in these races then it is all set,Verstappen will win the title as there is no real competition to him other than the Ferraris.

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