Topic: No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream? - page 19. (Read 3567 times)

Innovation and huge changes is something inevitable on which we would really be moving into that electric cars era but we cant really just ignore the fact that petrol powered engines wouldnt really be that be eradicated

so easily because whether we do like it or not, there are really main things which petrol engines could do that electric cars wouldnt be able to do so and this is why it would really be still that relevant if
they would still exist.

2035 is still long way shot but we arent that blind on how EV's are now starting to emerge into this market which it might be that expensive but people would
really be able to adjust into it.

Of course, over time, the world will gradually switch to cars with electric motors, as well as to other traction, which will be relatively safe for the environment. If the goal is to do it before 2035, then I think that it will be so. After all, before this period, intermediate ones have been established with a certain transition to electric cars in percentage terms. The main thing is that the need for this is long overdue and the decision has been made. The rest is a matter of technique and technology, and technology in any case will improve and become cheaper.

Agree !
  Any new innovation or technology has a "transitional period". The period of adaptation and laws, and mentality and the market. In exactly the same way, everything happened when they switched from horses and coal to ICE and transport. Yes - the horses remained, and coal, too, but cars, ships and planes - all on internal combustion engines and no horses are harnessed. The same will happen with the transition from internal combustion engines to electric motors - there will be new types of energy storage devices, there will be new infrastructure, and the total majority will switch to electric vehicles. By the way - I rode an electric car for a couple of weeks. I liked it very much. Well, there were also pluses - from the point of view of maintenance - no oil change, no rails and rods, all this mechanical piling up in electric cars is simply not there!

Gas and petrol are also explosive and flammable, but that did not stop people from using such engines and mods. And I see no problem of creating a network of stations, as we have a huge network of electric sockets. Check out a story of Stanley Meyer. He has create a car that runs on water, soon after he has mysteriously died.

Indeed exhaust sound can be faked. Some manufacturers even add small dynamics in car to reproduce aggressive exhaust sound. For example BMW had those with V6 engines in sports cars, that fakes sounds of V8 or V10 engines. 

In my opinion, the sound of an internal combustion engine can be easily reproduced artificially (in digital). 

This will create a complete illusion that you are the owner of a retro car with an internal combustion engine.  The hydrogen car actually uses an electric motor in its work.  The battery of a hydrogen car is recharged due to a chemical reaction involving hydrogen.  For the functioning of a hydrogen car, it is necessary to create a network of hydrogen stations. 

However, hydrogen is highly explosive! 

Therefore, it is necessary to spend a lot of effort on compliance with safety requirements and further improvement of this technology. 

If these problems can be solved, then hydrogen cars will appear in large numbers on the streets of our cities.

Electric vehicles are a nightmare. They can shut off your battery remotely. The grid could go down for various reasons and you are then stuck. Proper battery recycling is a pipe dream and currently an environmental hazard. The extra weight of the batteries wear out tires faster. People steal copper from the charge cables from public chargers. The time to charge on long trips adds unnecessary inconvenience. Batteries have a limited life span even if you don't drive the vehicle those batteries are degrading while the vehicle is just sitting there.

A few reasons why diesel is better. Older vehicles can run on various fuels, biodiesel, black diesel, vegetable oil etc. Older vehicles can be EMP resistant. Modifying combustion engines means you can make more power, while modifying electric vehicles usually just ends up with weight reduction/no back seats... Diesel powered vehicles had a major breakthrough. Just needs people that are willing to try it out? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/has-anyone-else-tried-this-nakamoto-diesel-fuel-saver-5403404 Saves me about half on my fuel bill. Less smoke out the exhaust. Naturally aspirated diesel engines seem to get the most gains in economy.

The Taurozzi Pendulum Engine could be a next generation diesel engine, along with the Liquid Piston engine. Also new diesel/high compression engines coming from other manufactures that have spark plugs can run on a variety of fuels including clean burning hydrogen. 

While the notion of employing water as a fuel source for automobiles has been circulating for some time, the intricacies of the process reveal that it is a convoluted solution for our energy requirements. The fundamental predicament with water as fuel is that the extraction of hydrogen necessitates a considerable amount of energy, which must then be employed to propel the car. Scaling up this process is challenging and expensive, leading car manufacturers to view it with less enthusiasm.

Moreover, you pointed out that the sound of an engine is a decisive aspect in the decision-making process for car purchases. However, as society leans towards being more environmentally aware, I believe that individuals will begin prioritizing sustainability over the engine's thunderous roar. With further research and development, I am optimistic that hydrogen-powered cars will emerge as a feasible alternative to conventional vehicles, providing a greener and more effective mode of transportation.

What about hydrogen cars ? Where are all those inventors, that have created vehicles that runs on water? Nearly 3/4 of Earth is covered with water. Plenty of "fuel" for everyone. Toyota Miria I think is the only car that run on "water". Why this idea did not go to masses? I think it will be easier and quicker to fill car with "water", than charge electro car. However, even though hydrogen cars sounds like free or cheap fuel, I think people would still prefer diesel or petrol because of the exhaust sound. The roar is what helps to sell cars.

It is not only about natural demand, but laws are being passed that you can't even buy the old cars anymore at some point. In addition they will subsidize the purchase of electric vehicles and at some point new dynamics will be enfolded in the market due to the growing infrastructure. That is one of the biggest problems still that you can't as easily charge your car as you can obviously do with standard petrol. But when charging times are improved and battery capacity will keep improving, we will definitely get to the point where nobody would be interested in old car models anyway. But I think battery production has to be scaled up by a lot as well.

Yeah, major car manufacturers has been over the years, going with the flow and testing the waters with electric run cars and have now added electric run cars to their machine lines.
Countries that solely depend on oil for their energy needs would find it much harder to switch to electric cars. And I doubt such countries would just stop or reduce production of gasoline run vehicles. Personally, I think it’s wishful thinking if we think we’re going to totally phase out gasoline run vehicles by 2035.

It is foolish to deny your remark!
But there is another point - if 20 years ago the very idea of ​​mass electric transport looked unrealistic, then after the loud start of the Tesla brand, the automotive industry of the whole world chose a new vector, where huge funds have already been invested, and this has become a trend that is now impossible to stop .
Therefore, yes, there will definitely be a slowdown due to the events of 2019-2022, but there will no longer be a stop to progress in the automotive world.
I will say this, even in my Ukraine, where the country is subjected to external terrorist aggression, where the economy has suffered greatly, the demand for hybrids and electric vehicles is growing! And constantly! Of course, the first consumers were companies providing taxi services. The second part is private buyers (ordinary citizens) for personal needs.

If I understand correctly the transition to electric cars also depends on our ability to save energy in the form of batteries. Electric vehicles are fine, but storing energy is still a problem that needs to be resolved. I don't know whether we are close or not to actually get it done.

We probably need to hope for Elon Musk to come up with something and he is already working hard on battery technology. However, it will take time until they are as efficient as we actually need them in order to be environmentally friendly.

The demand for electric cars will definitely grow, but at the moment when there will be more manufacturers and prices will become more affordable, now it is an expensive pleasure.I would like to have an electric car, but not as the main car.This industry is developing quite rapidly, and many countries are encouraging the purchase of more environmentally friendly cars.There remains only one main question, and who will recycle such an amount of used batteries by 2035.

The economy isn't in a great state indeed, but technology progresses and new electric cars keep popping up. I'm pretty convinced that my next car will be electric, since, whether we like it or not, it's currently the best alternative for cars with combustion engines. We have over 10 years before 2035, and chances are that electric cars will be completely different from what they currently are. On top of that, manufacturers from China such as BYD or NIO will eventually expand into other markets, making the acquisition of an electric car more affordable.

I cited carsharing simply as an example of operation in the city. This is for the urban cycle - travel from point to point. In the tourist area, for a holiday, I wrote "rent" a car, which is the most cost-effective for a 10-12 day vacation.
But I wanted to convey a slightly different essence - if you understand consumption well, then for many who have a car in PERSONAL possession, they really don’t need it 24x7 and all year round I agree - you live outside the city, 50-100 km of road, your car looks more convenient. But if you ride in the home-office-home cycle, or you need to travel somewhere for 10 days - rent it! It’s just that we still have “medieval manners” - “the more expensive I own, the more pretentious I look and everyone envy me!”

In my opinion, now the process of transition to electric vehicles will slow down.

This is due to the general economic situation in the world. In recent years, the amount of money in the world has increased several times. This is due to an attempt to overcome the effects of the 2008 global financial crisis and the Covid-19 coronavirus pandemic.

Therefore, it is impossible to issue new money for investments in alternative energy and the development of electric vehicles. At the same time, prices for traditional energy carriers have increased. There were also additional investment projects related to the need to develop a fleet of tankers for the transportation of liquefied gas and the construction of gas storage facilities.

As a result, there is no scope for increased investment in electric vehicle production. Yes, this direction will develop, but perhaps not as fast as previously planned.

Not really that shocking that companies would really be considering out on jumping with the current trend rather than making themselves getting behind the line.We might see that the demand isnt really that much high due to being expensive but the numbers arent falling backwards but rather seeing some gains which means that the market is really starting up to cope up which means
that they dont really like to miss out on getting that market share. Ev's and hybrids might really be existing on future years to come but i dont really believe that petrol powered would
really cease to exist or would really be gone.

I think it would be more like majority changes and not the full on thing. By 2035, we will still have some diesel cars going around that's for sure, no doubt about that, and there will be some that is still sold, that is for sure.

However, I do not know how much EV is sold compared to petrol, but lets say it is 5% today, it could be 50% by then, or more, which means both exists, but electric cars would be sold a lot more than it is sold today, that would be the difference and I believe that it is definitely something I would be in favor of as well. EV is better for the world, it is definitely a good way to need less oil to be mined from the world.

In Ukraine, the Verkhovna Rada also today, on February 24, adopted a law banning the use of buses with diesel and gasoline internal combustion engines on public transport routes from 2036.
From January 1, 2036, only electric buses, buses with internal combustion engines running on gas, as well as buses with a hydrogen fuel cell will be allowed on bus routes in cities of district and regional significance.
Ukraine is gradually bringing its legislation under the European one, as it wants to join the EU in the coming years. Apparently, this law also belongs to this category. But until then, the transition to cars will be gradual. So, from January 1, 2028, at least 50% of buses must be electric, methane or hydrogen. Diesel and gasoline engines will gradually become a thing of the past.

If it does happen in the allocated time, it would definitely happen in phases. You’re right, Petrol and diesel fueled cars won’t just disappear overnight. And people won’t just switch to electric vehicles just because.
Affordability in my opinion is also a problem that would hinder the phasing out of petrol and diesel fueled vehicles. Not everyone would be able to afford to purchase, run and maintain the electric run vehicles. So I think In the long run, they would have to make it more affordable so people could actually switch.