Topic: No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream? - page 20. (Read 3567 times)

Maybe its true, almost every card production companies have turned their attention towards the electric vehicles. Even Bentley have come up with its plan to debut electric vehicle by 2025. Then what will be the situation of the countries that depend completely on the oil economy. Maybe the percentage of production will vary, but the fuel vehicles will be in production parallel to the electric vehicles.

The world is developing at a fast pace technological e that I strongly believe that this goal is achievable. It is achievable in the sense that it would happen in phases. Petrol and diesel cars would not just disappear off our street overnight but it will start with the reduction in the production of these vehicles and the increase in production of electric powered vehicles. One other thing that would help these become a reality if new car companies other than Bentley,
Toyota, Honda, Ford and the rest of the go into the production of electric powered vehicles. I feel that after the world has achieved this goal they would move into setting another goal for a driverless car.

Do we really think that petrol or oil industry would really be letting for this thing to happen? No its not and this is why i dont really believe on such idea or innovation.Yes, we might be seeing that we are slowly progressing when it comes on moving into EV's but still we do know that petrolled cars is always been better on most aspect.We could really save up the environment + we could save up cost from fuel but
we would really be in balance about on the expenses if these ev's would be in repair or somewhat in maintenance.This is why it does have its con's too and also it couldn't
really outmatched a petrol powered when it comes to power and torque.

I guess classic car rent would be more suitable for the trip you described - you don't have to pay for minutes and kilometers, don't have to waste time on chasing car-sharing cars all around the unfamiliar neighborhood. You can forget something in the car easily as you have to take your stuff with you every time, you can't leave it in the car because you have to swap cars and the next driver may take it. 

Yes, I think it is not going to be a simple road, and we are going to face with a bit of financial differences, because right now people could buy very cheap second hand gas cars, whereas the EV ones are still quite expensive, and in order for it to be 100% just EV on the road, which it will never happen, even today there are people who use cars from 60's just because they like the look of it.

So, it is impossible to be 100% EV but lets assume at least 80%+ and even that would only happen if we can somehow cut the costs, when a decent Tesla is worth 15k or at max 20k, we can definitely see it, 30+ thousand, even as high as 50k with some stuff included max package, and it is not possible.

Development is moving pretty fast, but we must understand that 2035 is not such a long time from now, it is just merely 12 or so years away, thus making it almost impossible for co2 emission vehicles to be completely (100%) out of the market, there would prolly be improvements regarding some of the factors affecting the widespread of EV's, but i don't don't think it is possible that they would dominate the roads in EU countries come 2035.

Having said that, by 2035 both petrol/diesel cars and EV's would both be used in the EU, and there would surely be a rise in the adoption of EV's by then. Number of charging stations, battery issues, charging speed, cost of the vehicles, etc, are some of the problems associated with the adoption of EV's, but by 2035 there is bound to be solutions to most of them, but not to the extent of making petrol/diesel cars extinct in the EU.

Well, at least in theory, the driver should charge the car before it gets under a limit (20% maybe?) and normally don't go over 90% (because after that it's very slow).
And, if the drivers are not assholes keeping the charging stations busy (I think that Tesla has fixed that by charging them heftily for the extra time) one will easily find a place to charge his car.


Indeed, even with tricks like charging only from 20% to 90%, charging still takes a lot of time, more than for combustion cars. That's one reason why something new needs invented.


One of my points was the better storage for electricity is needed. This would most probably means that such charging stations will have their own special, big capacity batteries (yet to be invented). The charging would go from there (to not overload the grid) and in case of blackouts they can still use their battery for powering their own business. Of course, if the blackout lasts too long.. nothing can help, you're right on that.

My response to OP's question is that it is both a dream and reality, depending on where you live. Let me break this down. For this goal to be achieved, certain parameters from the government, businesses, and individuals must already be in place.

Achieving no petrol or diesel car sales by 2035 is most likely to become a reality in Europe, Asia, and Australia because there is already an enabling environment for this to happen in these regions. However, in Africa, this is the least of our problems because we do not trust the government to provide the necessary and enabling environment to have electric cars on the roads. We still suffer from an epileptic power supply , incessant power outages; in fact it is a struggle even to try to use alternative sources of energy. I would say this may be possible in 2100. I say this not because I want to sound pessimistic, but because I am currently living in that reality at the moment, and I know what it feels like to live in a region with low resources and where the government doesn't care about investment or anything else.

And, in places where blackouts are likely to happen, nobody will even be able to use their cars. Whereas gas stations can continue functioning even without power as long as the station itself has a generator - but the cars themselves need none of that.

If you've ever refueled a car before, you'll know that the process takes a few minutes maximum. Even with smaller devices such as PCs and phones, the charging can take hours. So I'm wondering how electric cars will be able to be recharged in a reasonable amount of time, let alone minutes.

I know Tesla's making it fashionable to use "charging stations" and leave your car parked there for hours, but that's a pretty dumb idea if you need to get somewhere fast, or if you're driving a taxi or bus or even for Uber/Lyft.

We may see no car manufacturers will be manufacturing IC engine cars by that time because already the hige manufacturers are doing R&D for producing the practical EV vehicles but the charging station infrastructure is lacking in most countries so people are not buying it now but I feel by 2025/26 itself we can see the actual evolution of EV vehicles.

I will limit my dissatisfaction to long charging times.

I live in a city with population around one million. When I took electro car for test drive, I have visited probably 3 or 4 charging places and all of them were occupied. People come, connect their car, and leave for a work and etc. Instead of charging and driving away, they leave their car there, as this is a free parking or parking place. That is why to charge a car, I must complete a quest and find a free spot. I can agree to wait 30-90 minutes while car charges, but I find it stupid to drive around and search for a unoccupied charging place. This is annoying, this is nervous, as I am driving a recharging car. I am scared that one time such search will stop with 0km charge somewhere in the middle of a street.

Charging stations would be commonly placed on places where people do usually park but there would be those points on where it would be placed just like those petrol stations too.
You are right that time is money on which you cant really just wait up for some time because you are charging up along the way.Its true that when it comes to convenience or on the go then
petrol will still rule out.This is why i dont see the chances or probabilities that it would be replaced up soon because there are things which are supposed to be staying because it is
way more efficient and sensible on having rather than on total changes.

thats questionable


homes can be built literally anywhere
though Chernobyl, Fukushima and bikini islands is least likely desirable place to build a home

But if you think about it again I don't think it will actually happen completely, heavily loaded vehicles definitely use diesel to be more effective in delivering goods from area to area, even today when gasoline is the top priority for cars, still Diesel fuel is the main choice for heavy vehicles because it will be more effective for the capital and strength of the car itself, most likely if this electric power is applied to a car that is heavily loaded it will definitely require more power and burn higher capital.
But for a lightly loaded car vehicle it is possible for the 2035.

It is foolish to argue that everything will be the same for everyone everywhere. Different levels of development of society provide different opportunities. There are regions where people don’t understand at all why a car, if you left the hut, here’s a palm tree for you, here’s an ocean for you - collect / catch - and you are provided with everything! There are countries where, for example, even the power grids are simply not developed. And they will continue to ride buffaloes or bicycles. There are countries where they know what electricity is and it is even available in almost every home, but the standard of living, in terms of income, does not allow mass purchase of even simple cars, and therefore most people ride scooters. There are countries where people refuse pension supplements because they think it is not the right economic move, and will not bring anything good for the economy. At the same time, they have everything, including several cars in the canopy, and high-class cars, and they will gladly buy a more environmentally friendly even now.

Similarly, with services and energy - if carsharing was not convenient, it would not be on the market. But the topic is objectively convenient. Renting a car, especially with such a service, is mega-convenient. Personally enjoyed! Here is an example - we flew with friends to rest, oh. Tenerife. We all have our own cars at home. We were going to travel around the island, to see it. On foot, it’s difficult, scooters are not suitable, friends have small children. We just took and rented the necessary cars - they themselves are tailored to small children, my wife and I are comfortable in a more compact car. The right class, the right size, with the right options (child seats for friends, a convertible for my family). Or did you have to bring your own car? I'm not ready for such an act
  And in the mentality of many people there is already a paradigm shift from "ownership" to "dynamic satisfaction of needs."

Energy - I also agree that not everything is good everywhere. But it is necessary and it will be changed! I hope we will find the time when electricity becomes simple, affordable and ubiquitous, for all inhabitants of the earth

Until it will take few minutes to charge electric cars battery to 100% and such will be able to run +1k km on a single charge, there will be no switch from petrol/diesel cars to electric. Still dont understand how people agreed to wait so long before their car charges fully. Not everyone is able to work remotely and allow himself to spend lose so much time on charging. This goes completely against saying "time is money". If only we had car batteries with enough capacity that can be "pulled out-put in". Only then we can refuse cars with petrol/diesel.

this is likely to happen in 2035 where sales of gasoline and diesel will be scarce, this is evidenced by the many car companies that modify gasoline into electricity.  People have even felt the scarcity of oil from now on, in addition to reducing pollution on earth, electric cars are a community solution to protect the environment and natural resources so they don't become extinct. As we know, oil, diesel and gasoline are non-renewable resources.  .

If you want to use land then you should use people to "livable land" ratio because in some countries a considerable percentage of the geography is not livable like Russia, Japan, Canada, etc.

From the health aspect, One of the major reasons why electric cars were designed, was to reduce the creation of deadly hydrocarbons like Co2 gas that forms from exhaust of vehicles and burning.  In some poor countries where economy is very low creating such laws won't be of any help to them because the prices of such vehicles will be at a very high cost of which most of them cannot afford. Also there will be high cost of maintenance for such vehicles and not all countries can afford providing such services for it's citizens so therefore creating more problems for the economy. I really don't think banning the sales of petrol using vehicles will actually have any benefits. Now let's say this law is implemented, will it only cover just vehicles? What about bikes, lorries, trucks and other locomotive engines will they also be converted to electric running machines? Because if yes then it will take more than the next 10 years for this to be accomplished.

Long back itself India aimed to stop the sale of petrol and diesel cars by 2030. In reality is this possible is the question. At any circumstances, this isn't gonna happen. To meet the needs of the vehicles in usage India have got around 70k fuel stations. Even if the electric vehicle sales reaches the peak of 80% sales of two wheelers, 70% of taxi vehicles and 40% of commercial vehicles there is need of 1.5% increase in the need of oil by 2030. It means the market of electric vehicle increases along with some good rise in the need for oil.