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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 24, 2023, 12:33:57 PM

In my point of view 2035 is not much far away from now, most probably this would be implement in rich countries it will be easier for them, but what about poor countries? are they capable of having charging station in each and every coroner? in city it is not much big deal but what about remote areas? that's why in my opinion view mechanism of cycle must be invented which suits for cars or we can make the machines from which ethanol and fuels like petroleum can generate electricity and we can use both electric as well as ethanol based vehicles, which can help the countries which are economically less constant and produce fuels (rude oil) as well as farmers, who produce sugarcane for ethanol

I must object like an enigmatic plot twist. Conceiving a mechanism for automotive cycles isn't the solution we seek. Instead, the globe demands charging stations, transcending wealthy nation boundaries.

Easier for affluent countries? Indeed. But forsaking impoverished lands is unconscionable. United, we must unearth an answer that elevates all, irrespective of fiscal prowess.

Concurrently, investing in alternatives like ethanol and petroleum-derived fuels is commendable. However, electric vehicles cast an undeniable shadow on the horizon. Embrace the metamorphosis, and forge a sustainable legacy for humanity.

People are always selfish and talk a lot and inconsistently, even if they are on the verge of an abyss. Our climate is changing very dramatically due to the predatory attitude of man to nature. And we are still discussing whether it is worth correcting the situation or not, because not everyone is ready to change their habits. Humanity will never be ready for this. Here you need to act tough, otherwise the consequences can be catastrophic. In any case, gasoline engines must be abandoned, this problem has long been overripe.

When we talk about the abandoning of gasoline engines we should also discuss about the pollution caused while manufacturing batteries that are to be fitted with the electric cars and bikes. The pollution caused during the time of pollution is very high against what is being released by petrol and diesel engines. Most of the time it is the business that drives away the old things and introduce new products into the market. For the marketing there is need of something that needs to be pointed out and in such a way is the emission discussion with the EVs.

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Quote from: slapper on April 25, 2023, 10:55:09 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 24, 2023, 12:33:57 PM

In my point of view 2035 is not much far away from now, most probably this would be implement in rich countries it will be easier for them, but what about poor countries? are they capable of having charging station in each and every coroner? in city it is not much big deal but what about remote areas? that's why in my opinion view mechanism of cycle must be invented which suits for cars or we can make the machines from which ethanol and fuels like petroleum can generate electricity and we can use both electric as well as ethanol based vehicles, which can help the countries which are economically less constant and produce fuels (rude oil) as well as farmers, who produce sugarcane for ethanol

I must object like an enigmatic plot twist. Conceiving a mechanism for automotive cycles isn't the solution we seek. Instead, the globe demands charging stations, transcending wealthy nation boundaries.

Easier for affluent countries? Indeed. But forsaking impoverished lands is unconscionable. United, we must unearth an answer that elevates all, irrespective of fiscal prowess.

Concurrently, investing in alternatives like ethanol and petroleum-derived fuels is commendable. However, electric vehicles cast an undeniable shadow on the horizon. Embrace the metamorphosis, and forge a sustainable legacy for humanity.

People are always selfish and talk a lot and inconsistently, even if they are on the verge of an abyss. Our climate is changing very dramatically due to the predatory attitude of man to nature. And we are still discussing whether it is worth correcting the situation or not, because not everyone is ready to change their habits. Humanity will never be ready for this. Here you need to act tough, otherwise the consequences can be catastrophic. In any case, gasoline engines must be abandoned, this problem has long been overripe.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 24, 2023, 12:33:57 PM

In my point of view 2035 is not much far away from now, most probably this would be implement in rich countries it will be easier for them, but what about poor countries? are they capable of having charging station in each and every coroner? in city it is not much big deal but what about remote areas? that's why in my opinion view mechanism of cycle must be invented which suits for cars or we can make the machines from which ethanol and fuels like petroleum can generate electricity and we can use both electric as well as ethanol based vehicles, which can help the countries which are economically less constant and produce fuels (rude oil) as well as farmers, who produce sugarcane for ethanol

I must object like an enigmatic plot twist. Conceiving a mechanism for automotive cycles isn't the solution we seek. Instead, the globe demands charging stations, transcending wealthy nation boundaries.

Easier for affluent countries? Indeed. But forsaking impoverished lands is unconscionable. United, we must unearth an answer that elevates all, irrespective of fiscal prowess.

Concurrently, investing in alternatives like ethanol and petroleum-derived fuels is commendable. However, electric vehicles cast an undeniable shadow on the horizon. Embrace the metamorphosis, and forge a sustainable legacy for humanity.

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Quote from: hugeblack on February 17, 2023, 06:13:56 AM

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

I think it is true that the costs are lower than running a car with an internal combustion engine and on the question of whether this goal will be achieved, it is difficult to predict with certainty. The current condition is that many car manufacturers have committed to switching to electric vehicles in the coming years. From an efficiency and cost perspective, it is likely that electric vehicles will continue to become more efficient and affordable over time.

Well, if you look at the biggest reason because As battery technology improves, electric vehicles will be able to travel farther on a single charge, and the cost of producing batteries is expected to continue to decrease. In addition, as more automakers produce electric vehicles, economies of scale will likely lead to lower prices. for consumers.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 24, 2023, 12:33:57 PM

In my point of view 2035 is not much far away from now, most probably this would be implement in rich countries it will be easier for them, but what about poor countries? are they capable of having charging station in each and every coroner? in city it is not much big deal but what about remote areas? that's why in my opinion view mechanism of cycle must be invented which suits for cars or we can make the machines from which ethanol and fuels like petroleum can generate electricity and we can use both electric as well as ethanol based vehicles, which can help the countries which are economically less constant and produce fuels (rude oil) as well as farmers, who produce sugarcane for ethanol

I think that the process of humanity's transition to electric cars may be even easier than some people think. Along the way, we will switch to the use of alternative energy sources and, above all, solar panels, which are becoming cheaper and more powerful, with an increase in efficiency. It is possible that then there will be no big problems with recharging electric cars. Therefore, I am quite optimistic about the desire of European countries to get rid of internal combustion engines. This should have been done much earlier.

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In my point of view 2035 is not much far away from now, most probably this would be implement in rich countries it will be easier for them, but what about poor countries? are they capable of having charging station in each and every coroner? in city it is not much big deal but what about remote areas? that's why in my opinion view mechanism of cycle must be invented which suits for cars or we can make the machines from which ethanol and fuels like petroleum can generate electricity and we can use both electric as well as ethanol based vehicles, which can help the countries which are economically less constant and produce fuels (rude oil) as well as farmers, who produce sugarcane for ethanol

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Quote from: Casdinyard on March 13, 2023, 01:47:47 PM

provided that a more commercialized form of dealership with electric cars become available a few years before 2035, I can diesel vehicles being phased out in developed and first-world countries, as they are almost always the ones who are often taking the initiative in paradigm shifts. Third-world countries could follow suit a few years after globalization of electric cars were implemented, but I don't see every car in the world being phased out of the roads at least until 2050-2060. Oil Tycoons will do their hardest to reinstate oil as the main source of fuel of this planet through multiple campaigns and propaganda so the fight for a safer environment will be long and arduous, thus in an ideal setting, for me it will take at least up until 2050 for all cars in the road within western territories to comprise mainly of electric vehicles.

It doesn't really matter how long it will take humanity to transition from gasoline and diesel cars to electric cars - until 2035, 2050 or 2060. The main thing is that the decision has already been made, its implementation will be phased and inevitable. More developed countries with high living standards will lead the way, others will follow. It is unlikely that oil and gas corporations will strongly resist this time. Humanity has faced a choice: either switch to other sources of energy and do less harm to the environment, or climate change will become so global that we will simply cease to exist. Additional decisions on this issue will be made and monitored at the level of the G20 countries and the UN.

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provided that a more commercialized form of dealership with electric cars become available a few years before 2035, I can diesel vehicles being phased out in developed and first-world countries, as they are almost always the ones who are often taking the initiative in paradigm shifts. Third-world countries could follow suit a few years after globalization of electric cars were implemented, but I don't see every car in the world being phased out of the roads at least until 2050-2060. Oil Tycoons will do their hardest to reinstate oil as the main source of fuel of this planet through multiple campaigns and propaganda so the fight for a safer environment will be long and arduous, thus in an ideal setting, for me it will take at least up until 2050 for all cars in the road within western territories to comprise mainly of electric vehicles.

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According to this source: https://europe.autonews.com/environmentemissions/europes-2035-combustion-engine-ban-opposed-germany-italy Germany and also Italy are going to block this law. Hungary and Poland are not particularly happy as well. Honestly, I can understand Germans very well as their country is quite big and car culture is deep in their blood. EV vehicles are not very suitable for long distance driving because of limited range.

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They started off claiming that the ban on the production of cars with internal combustion engines would take place in 2030; now they've moved it to 2035, and chances are, it will be postponed again. However, even in 7 years from now, there will be a wider variety of electric vehicles, and more people will opt for them since they will be cheaper by then. Moreover, most European countries still don't have the facilities to accommodate a higher demand for electric cars. The transition will take time, and they will become more popular as time passes. Even I'm convinced that my next car will be electric in a few years, but a complete ban on ICE cars isn't feasible anytime soon.

The reduction of gasoline and diesel vehicles, as well as the increase in the number of electric vehicles, will occur gradually and in stages. The main thing is that the countries of Europe have already adopted the relevant law and it will be implemented. This will be facilitated by further climate change on our planet. The unbearable summer heat will be a good argument to switch to the use of electric vehicles and pollute the environment less.

I am more scared of melting ice in the antarctic than the summer heat compared to climate change as it makes a continent get under water. Though other also country starting to be stricter now about those gasoline/diesel cars that are right now in our country I've seen a lot of e-bikes and e-trike along the roads for better help fighting pollution. Though right now it is still expensive, I hope in the future it is way more affordable we can afford to buy and own one.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on March 04, 2023, 11:14:20 AM

They started off claiming that the ban on the production of cars with internal combustion engines would take place in 2030; now they've moved it to 2035, and chances are, it will be postponed again. However, even in 7 years from now, there will be a wider variety of electric vehicles, and more people will opt for them since they will be cheaper by then. Moreover, most European countries still don't have the facilities to accommodate a higher demand for electric cars. The transition will take time, and they will become more popular as time passes. Even I'm convinced that my next car will be electric in a few years, but a complete ban on ICE cars isn't feasible anytime soon.

The reduction of gasoline and diesel vehicles, as well as the increase in the number of electric vehicles, will occur gradually and in stages. The main thing is that the countries of Europe have already adopted the relevant law and it will be implemented. This will be facilitated by further climate change on our planet. The unbearable summer heat will be a good argument to switch to the use of electric vehicles and pollute the environment less.

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Quote from: STT on March 02, 2023, 06:00:57 PM

Not really a dream, goto Cuba and they dont really have new cars just recycled ones. So its already been a reality for them for some time, its possible to do and people will just keep on using what they have already got. Apparently it also occurs in the USA trucking stock due to new machines requiring really hard emission measures which stop the truck working as well so people recycle old trucks endlessly if they can.

USA has enough natural gas reserves to never require any oil use again, not for power, equipment, cars, heating or energy. All of it can be replaced by something far cleaner burning unfortunately the green lobby dont like nat gas either and perhaps just consider it a derivative. Its all possible just cost and efficiency of doing so, the calorific value of coal exceeds oil for example so each resource has its advantages.

What shall I say?
There are tribes that were isolated from civilization, solely due to some peculiarities. For example, a remote location. A place remote from the traffic of civilization - ships, aircraft. Well, or simply isolated and refusing to contact the modern world, as a result of faith, views, something else ...
And Cuba is a country that has decided from a rather noticeable country in the Caribbean region (and the American continent), to run back to the Stone Age!
To understand what I mean - read what positions Cuba occupied in the world before the "Cuban revolution"! Although the word "revolution" should be replaced with "devolution" in order to accurately convey what happened.
Immediately answer the question that arises: YES! I personally was in Cuba, I personally traveled around the country. I saw a tourist zone for "tourists" and real Cuba with food cards and total poverty and degradation .. What they were very proud of

In a word, an example about electric cars and Cuba is a 100% exception in the modern world than some kind of statistics

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According to today's news that I have read, it seems that the EU will not adopt this law after all, because Germany and Italy are putting a lot of pressure to prevent that from happening. Of course, these are two countries that have a significant share in the production of cars, and such a law would have a very harmful effect on their economies. This does not mean that the share of electric cars on the roads will not increase, but I do not believe that such a ban will come before 2050.

2030 is very early to make a ban on petrol and diesel cars. This will affect the countries that depends on car production for their economy as well as the countries that depend completely on the oil market for their economy. Every car company have begun to have their electric vehicle production unit as well as R&D, and for the reason the regular car production isn't decreased. So, we can experience the increasing usage of ev, but the same won't affect the petrol and diesel car usage for atleast 2 generation.

They started off claiming that the ban on the production of cars with internal combustion engines would take place in 2030; now they've moved it to 2035, and chances are, it will be postponed again. However, even in 7 years from now, there will be a wider variety of electric vehicles, and more people will opt for them since they will be cheaper by then. Moreover, most European countries still don't have the facilities to accommodate a higher demand for electric cars. The transition will take time, and they will become more popular as time passes. Even I'm convinced that my next car will be electric in a few years, but a complete ban on ICE cars isn't feasible anytime soon.

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Quote from: bakasabo on February 28, 2023, 03:32:16 AM

What about hydrogen cars ? Where are all those inventors, that have created vehicles that runs on water? Nearly 3/4 of Earth is covered with water. Plenty of "fuel" for everyone. Toyota Miria I think is the only car that run on "water". Why this idea did not go to masses? I think it will be easier and quicker to fill car with "water", than charge electro car. However, even though hydrogen cars sounds like free or cheap fuel, I think people would still prefer diesel or petrol because of the exhaust sound. The roar is what helps to sell cars.

I heard that hydrogen cars are actually quite ineffective, but I guess it's all depends on the R&D of such products, main reason why electric car is the trend nowadays have something related with the fact that elon make it trendy with its tesla and the technology embedded inside the electric car giving the illusions that it's the future but indeed it could might be the future.
the thing is, I think we need further research in increasing the effectiveness of battery technology, honestly right now I think charging your car for few hours just doesn't cut it, meawhile with fossil fuel you only fill up your fuel within minutes which is quite significant difference honestly.

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Quote from: Lucius on March 03, 2023, 11:26:43 AM

According to today's news that I have read, it seems that the EU will not adopt this law after all, because Germany and Italy are putting a lot of pressure to prevent that from happening. Of course, these are two countries that have a significant share in the production of cars, and such a law would have a very harmful effect on their economies. This does not mean that the share of electric cars on the roads will not increase, but I do not believe that such a ban will come before 2050.

2030 is very early to make a ban on petrol and diesel cars. This will affect the countries that depends on car production for their economy as well as the countries that depend completely on the oil market for their economy. Every car company have begun to have their electric vehicle production unit as well as R&D, and for the reason the regular car production isn't decreased. So, we can experience the increasing usage of ev, but the same won't affect the petrol and diesel car usage for atleast 2 generation.

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Quote from: bakasabo on February 28, 2023, 03:32:16 AM

What about hydrogen cars ? Where are all those inventors, that have created vehicles that runs on water? Nearly 3/4 of Earth is covered with water. Plenty of "fuel" for everyone. Toyota Miria I think is the only car that run on "water". Why this idea did not go to masses? I think it will be easier and quicker to fill car with "water", than charge electro car. However, even though hydrogen cars sounds like free or cheap fuel, I think people would still prefer diesel or petrol because of the exhaust sound. The roar is what helps to sell cars.

We haven't seen many hydrogen cars available, though, have we? I don't believe that they will be widely adopted while there are only a few companies that support hydrogen vehicles. Even Toyota is starting to pivot and switch to electric cars. There are quite a few articles out there, one of which admits that the new Tesla Y is a work of art. Moreover, not long ago, I remember reading that they're about to launch a new electric car range. Thus, I find it quite unlikely that we'll ever see a full range of hydrogen vehicles available to the public.

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Not that electric cars wouldn't be widely available, but it seems unlikely that the people seated around the table at the United Nations will let this to happen; Electric automobiles are almost certainly not going to replace gasoline vehicles. If this occurs, there will be a shortage of gasoline, the demand will be squeezed, and many economies that depend on the sale of fuel, such as Russia, African nations, and Arab countries, would collapse. Also the ability to charge these electric automobiles, is a problem in certain nations without access to reliable energy, is another factor that makes me wonder whether this will be viable just in developed nations like those in the west and not in Africa.

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According to today's news that I have read, it seems that the EU will not adopt this law after all, because Germany and Italy are putting a lot of pressure to prevent that from happening. Of course, these are two countries that have a significant share in the production of cars, and such a law would have a very harmful effect on their economies. This does not mean that the share of electric cars on the roads will not increase, but I do not believe that such a ban will come before 2050.

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Not really a dream, goto Cuba and they dont really have new cars just recycled ones. So its already been a reality for them for some time, its possible to do and people will just keep on using what they have already got. Apparently it also occurs in the USA trucking stock due to new machines requiring really hard emission measures which stop the truck working as well so people recycle old trucks endlessly if they can.

USA has enough natural gas reserves to never require any oil use again, not for power, equipment, cars, heating or energy. All of it can be replaced by something far cleaner burning unfortunately the green lobby dont like nat gas either and perhaps just consider it a derivative. Its all possible just cost and efficiency of doing so, the calorific value of coal exceeds oil for example so each resource has its advantages.

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Quote from: bakasabo on March 01, 2023, 03:24:37 AM

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Quote from: bakasabo on February 28, 2023, 03:32:16 AM

What about hydrogen cars ? Where are all those inventors, that have created vehicles that runs on water? Nearly 3/4 of Earth is covered with water. Plenty of "fuel" for everyone. Toyota Miria I think is the only car that run on "water". Why this idea did not go to masses? I think it will be easier and quicker to fill car with "water", than charge electro car. However, even though hydrogen cars sounds like free or cheap fuel, I think people would still prefer diesel or petrol because of the exhaust sound. The roar is what helps to sell cars.

In my opinion, the sound of an internal combustion engine can be easily reproduced artificially (in digital).

This will create a complete illusion that you are the owner of a retro car with an internal combustion engine. The hydrogen car actually uses an electric motor in its work. The battery of a hydrogen car is recharged due to a chemical reaction involving hydrogen. For the functioning of a hydrogen car, it is necessary to create a network of hydrogen stations.

However, hydrogen is highly explosive!

Therefore, it is necessary to spend a lot of effort on compliance with safety requirements and further improvement of this technology.

If these problems can be solved, then hydrogen cars will appear in large numbers on the streets of our cities.

Gas and petrol are also explosive and flammable, but that did not stop people from using such engines and mods. And I see no problem of creating a network of stations, as we have a huge network of electric sockets. Check out a story of Stanley Meyer. He has create a car that runs on water, soon after he has mysteriously died.

Indeed exhaust sound can be faked. Some manufacturers even add small dynamics in car to reproduce aggressive exhaust sound. For example BMW had those with V6 engines in sports cars, that fakes sounds of V8 or V10 engines.

Scientific and technological progress is like an evolutionary process.

Usually, engineers propose several alternative technologies for implementation.

However, only one of the proposed options is implemented. It's like at the Olympics - there is only one champion, some participants receive silver and bronze medals, but most participants receive the status of losers and do not receive any awards. At the same time, the choice of the winner in the race of scientific and technological progress is largely a random process. Perhaps a supporter of this particular technology turned out to have a supporter with big capital, or perhaps a supporter with charisma and a gift for convincing other people.

As a result, one technical solution will be implemented in practice, and another technical solution will be consigned to oblivion.

So we don't know yet if a classic car will be an electric car or a hydrogen car in 2035. So far, electric vehicle technology is considered more promising.

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