Topic: No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream? - page 22. (Read 3567 times)

I still think people do not realize that this isn't a solution at all. It is basically just a situation where you are spending another energy source, but that doesn't mean its clean. For example, if you produce this energy by burning coal, then using EV doesn't make it "clean". I get that people imagine solar panels and wind turbines that generate energy to make a car run but that is just a guess and only in some nations. While there are still other nations that spend coal as their energy which causes all these troubles in pollution, so even a tesla would be hurting the world if you use that energy. We don't need to change the way we spend our electricity, we need to change how we produce it in order to have a better future.

If that is true then that only means that most governing bodies in the world are moving towards a gasless and more electric society. This could definitely happen soon in first and second-world countries but third world countries will lag behind this progress. What's worse is that they could be the new focal point of the exploitation that oil tycoons enact upon the world right now, seeing as they couldn't choke the whole world as hard as they could in the past. They'd probably do something to prolong their obsolescence but then again it stands that they will not remain forever, much like the resources they claim as theirs and sell for jack-high prices. Anyways, I've read from a different article and a twitter post that this could most likely happen in 50 years or within 2050, I am not sure anymore because this was from a long time ago and I can't find the article for the life of me. In any case, future's looking bright for the world and provided that electric mobility is facilitated well, we could very much bid goodbye to gas powered vehicles.

I can't say what other countries' policy is in that aspect but there is serious crisis of electricity going on in my country. So banning patrol and diesel vehicle and replacing them with electric vehicles is not possible at least in my country. EU is developed region and they can bring such legislation in there country. Infact 5 days ago they have given final approval to ban on sales of fossil fuel vehicles by 2035.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230214-eu-gives-final-approval-to-2035-ban-on-new-fossil-fuel-car-sales

I'm still in doubt about this new laws they are trying to pursue to happen but 2035 is a very long years and it isn't even half of the set year yet some car companies are making already those electric car. Maybe in some other countries it's a thing but on the others there might be a dispute or something hence, their business of oil will be get affected because of this.

On the other hand, if this law is passed then this will really benefit a lot on our ecosystem. Scientist's are warning us about the global warming and other catastrophe if we don't get rid of the poison that's slowly killing our planet then the predicted time that the humanity would extinct is getting smaller.

It is really not happening very soon, but for sure, 2035 would be a possibility. Yes, we can see a lot of EVs got burned; there are a lot of issues, but we are already far as we have already started to do it, meaning it just needs tweaking to be perfect like petrol or gas. I also heard the man behind the invention of using water to run a car, which goes silent as gas is always the business of big and powerful people, but it is not the same with EVs as they were also backed by big people. Most of the first-world countries are starting to adopt it, so the possibility of it being adopted worldwide is huge, but it will take decades.

It's not happening very soon, electric vehicles won't generate money like cars running on petrol and diesel, the man that invented a car using water to run was assassinated because this will make petrol useless or make the government less money, Cars running on gas is still better than using electricity, I am not saying it's impossible but I doubt it will generate better money, right now, its less safe to even drive electric vehicles, because I keep hearing they go up in flames and burn down with no reason.

I'm sure this trend will happen in the future when electric vehicles grow rapidly, in my country, our government even provides sizable subsidies to people who are willing to switch to cars or electric vehicles, in the future electric vehicles will definitely dominate the market and sales will boom. I myself really like electric cars, very environmentally friendly and also have no noise pollution.

It will be very difficult for other government from other countries to accept such kind of decisions, basically government of any country have the right to decide for her people but not on the aspect of depriving them what will enhance good living. For the aspect of banning vehicles which uses petrol and diesel, if such policy is passed by their law makers and it happened to be implemented, the citizens will suffer for it. Except it will be another means whereby they make provisions of transportation more easier, because i know that without vehicle's that's using diesels and petrols live will not be easier and convenient for the living.

Possible but I think it will take a little longer than stated if it would be exclusive to cars or any vehicles. Right now e-scooters and the likes are being a trend. What slows down the process is simply electricity being expensive still at the present simply because resources of it is still not as accessible as supposed to. Also, I doubt diesel and petrol would be totally replaced especially to industries given that natural resources will always have its use and function aside from being cheaper than alternatives. But since we are talking about cars, this will come into reality once it is less expensive than the usual source of power for vehicles.

You have noticed a very subtle nuance! Indeed, in these countries, approaches to life, the concept of values is very different from the classical behavior of people living for the sake of "accumulation" and visible wealth. Therefore, the value of the car in these countries has decreased. Many people refuse to become a full-fledged owner due to the lack of a constant need. A lot of people use car-sharing and other convenient services that do not burden wallets. Of course, there will be a layer for which a car is an opportunity to show "its advantages" and "its status".

But I think that in today's situation, Russia has staged an oil and gas terror in Europe, will only accelerate the process of Europeans switching to cars that are less dependent on "fuel for the implementation of political complexes and grievances." Whatever one may say, oil will rise in price in the future - its reserves are not unlimited, and the development of new fields is becoming more and more difficult and expensive. Therefore, the transition to at least hybrids and then to full-fledged electric cars is already in the near future. Yes, with the exception of economically and technologically backward countries with underdeveloped economies, where buying and owning an electric car will be very expensive and difficult

Please pay attention, the EU law bans the sale of new petrol and diesel cars not the use of existing cars (also no mentions of import?). So, theoretically,  you could buy a new car on December 31, 2034 and drive it for another 5-10years. So, there's a chance we'll see 70-80% EV share in EU in some 20-30 years most probably. Will the sale of petrol cars stop in 2035? Most probably yes. Will petrol cars disappear from roads by 2035? Definitely no.

And to answer your other question: yes, I think electric cars will become more efficient and cheap than now.  

They don't plan to ban the sale of all petrol/diesel cars by 2035, but instead the sale of new cars. If they really go through this idea, I can see people massively switching to used cars instead of buying new electric ones, at least in the less developed EU countries like mine.

Overall its just a stupid idea and nothing but a dream but they just don't realize it yet.

Pollution and greenhouse effect caused by combustion engines are alarming and are detrimental to health, the climate has to be preserved, and I believe the world power will lead by example as they are already working towards realising it.

But the initial challenge will be the price of the cars and machines produced. They can't be cheap initially, and the ones we've seen now are not cheap to be sincere. However, 2035 is 12 years ahead, and many things are still possible. Yet, I know the G-6 countries would try, but they might still not be able to fade away 50% of their target by then. This would be worse in developing and underdeveloped countries.

So, in my view, it might take over a century to fade this away after some genuine efforts towards the project.

I don't think that this will make our world better. We still don't have real ecological alternatives for petrol cars

Hopefully a pipe dream. I am one of those who prefer ICE cars over EV's. I love my car and as long as I can buy another, I will. I will never buy a EV. If they give me one for free, i will just sell it and buy an ICE car. EV's are not suitable for making long trips and the range simply sucks. If the weather is too hot, the range goes down. If the weather is too cold the range goes down. I already carry a cellphone with me and its battery life drives me crazy. I don't need another troublemaker.

I think instead of making cars running on batteries, they should make phones running on oil. I would pre-order an ICE cell-phone.

Banning petrol/diesel cars by 2035 seems like a pretty drastic measure. I don't think that the EV industry is going to fully replace the conventional cars in such short time frame. 12 years isn't enough. Li-Ion batteries simply aren't good enough and they have to be replaced by new batteries. Most of the new battery technologies would require at least a decade of testing, before they hit the market.
Another problem is the amount of electricity, that's going to be needed in order to fill the demand. Solar panels and wind turbines won't be enough to cover the demand and energy storage is also a problem, because the system will have to be somewhat balanced.

It seems that from now on, car companies will have to work hard to make electric cars that can replace petrol and diesel cars so that by that year, they can sell electric cars. One day, gasoline and diesel resources will run out, and there must be a renewable energy source that can replace them. That is why electric cars are expected to be an alternative to reduce CO2 emissions or pollution from vehicles. And by that time, the use of cars will reduce and be replaced by electric cars worldwide.

I completely understand what you are trying to say! We all have seen that transition. That's why I have mentioned unless a technological breakthrough is achieved and unless the price of batteries is slashed, it's hard for EV to see commercial success. Also, a lot depends on the EV infrastructure. I have seen many EU countries have decent EV infra, especially Norway! But this is easier for a smaller country to manage. But for bigger countries like India or China or Russia, it is extremely difficult.

But the silver lining here is that the governments are taking an interest to promote EV through tax benefits and policy changes. I will end with a personal story. I had purchased my second car in December 2022. The same car is available in EV as well but I have got the petrol one. It is simply because the EV car with the same feature is at least 30% costlier. The price is a big factor.

By 2035 I would think new sales internal combustion engine cars will be rare. At least in places like the US, Europe, Japan. Wouldn't be surprised in those sorts of places if there are no more new fossil fuel cars by then (well maybe the US will still have some but it might be like 10% of new sales). Third world countries though will still have ICE cars for a good long while. It'll take them longer to transition to the newer tech and to build the charging infrastructure.

Or with a number of policies and offers that frankly provide many advantages for old car owners to exchange for new EVs, as Thailand has done which seems to be targeting 30% of vehicle production to be EVs in the next 8 years, (2030):

• sales of EV units at subsidized prices^[1];
  
• purchase excise tax incentive package^[2].
  

I also thinking about several steps that the government can take until the target is met:

• Subsidized charging costs at fuel stations.
• The cost of maintenance and purchase of spare parts in the official workshop.
• tax exemption for several years.

1. https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/2321562/inside-thailands-ev-revolution
2. https://www.aseanbriefing.com/news/thailand-issues-new-incentive-package-for-electric-vehicle-industry/