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Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

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The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

I think that this plan was drawn up for a different reason than to reduce carbon dioxide emissions in the atmosphere. Rather, because these countries need to reduce gasoline consumption. In any case, this is an excellent initiative, and it is worth all the difficulties that will have to be overcome to its full implementation.  I think by 2037 there won't be a single gasoline-fueled car left. I think the industrial sector of these 27 countries needs to think about how to convert cars with gasoline engines into electric traction. Then they won't have to throw them all in the landfill.

Or it could just be a plan. The other countries are looking at it differently because no petrol/diesel with ruin the industrialization of the countries that produce products. Without it, it will destroy their economy.

You know, they also want to improve the lives of thier people.  Without petrol/diesel, the economy of India or China will also be ruined and they are the rising power in the east. Are they not going to protect thier interest?

The rest of the world back in thier time have been using Petrol and diesel to manufacture products and making their country rich, should India and China deprive thier country to become superpower as well?




Dude China and India have gambled that banging out kids is the way to go.

Those 2 countries have close to 3 billion of the 8 billion people in the world. Yet only have 2.5% of the land mass.

so 37% of the people and 2.5% of  the land .

I left out antarctica .

so basically those numbers mean they should lower their population to land ratio.

and oil gas or coal vs wind solar or hydrogen won't help much.

I guess if they invent a cold fusion reactor they could catch up a bit.

But the people to land number is a big concern.

BTW people to land mass works out really well for Russia. I would suspect that Russia would continue to use oil and coal and nat gas for the next 100 years as global warming favors them bigly
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This will be possible to achieve in the year 2035,since there will make the price cheap for people to afford. This will be more economical compare to petrol cars when it comes to maintenance. This will cause low demand on petrol,gas and diesel.

It will be impossible in some parts of the world, like the third world countries who suffers from constant power supply as it will be a big challenge for them to embrace this change. Some Africa countries depends on crude oil byproducts to survive and might find it difficult to stop the use of petrol cars.

I’d like to always think that anything is possible. But I don’t think it would be easy to achieve all that in 10 years time. And I wonder how exactly would manufactures make the prices cheap and affordable for the people to use. I think if it’s attainable, it would not be easy solely for the fact that people are used to diesel and petrol fueled engines.

It won’t be impossible in developing nations. It would be extremely difficult, but not impossible. And it would definitely take a whole lot more than a decade to have developing nations transit to electric run vehicles. Some other countries and not just ones in the African continent depend on a huge part on oil for their energy needs.
The sooner the world sheds off its dependence on oil, the better for us all.
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This will be possible to achieve in the year 2035,since there will make the price cheap for people to afford. This will be more economical compare to petrol cars when it comes to maintenance. This will cause low demand on petrol,gas and diesel.

It will be impossible in some parts of the world, like the third world countries who suffers from constant power supply as it will be a big challenge for them to embrace this change. Some Africa countries depends on crude oil byproducts to survive and might find it difficult to stop the use of petrol cars.
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Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035
The effects of emission from petrol and diesel powered is becoming more of a concern as it contributes to global warming. It makes sense that there is an intentional move to slow down global warming by reducing the sales of petrol and diesel powered automobiles and replacing them with electrical vehicles. Tesla and some other automobile companies have already proven that it is possible, so in the coming years, we will see more automobile companies move into the production and sales of electrically powered vehicles, which will then replace Petrol and diesel and make them old-fashion.

Even Honda and Toyota have started to make their own electric cars right now, as they knew the market would be better for EV cars than traditional ones. Yamaha is also making electric motorcycles, which are pretty hot right now as most motorcycle enthusiasts want one as it is way more affordable and they can save up. Though it doesn't mean it will replace all, as there are still countries like remote areas where having an EV is difficult, so they will stick to gasoline cars for their area.
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Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035
The effects of emission from petrol and diesel powered is becoming more of a concern as it contributes to global warming. It makes sense that there is an intentional move to slow down global warming by reducing the sales of petrol and diesel powered automobiles and replacing them with electrical vehicles. Tesla and some other automobile companies have already proven that it is possible, so in the coming years, we will see more automobile companies move into the production and sales of electrically powered vehicles, which will then replace Petrol and diesel and make them old-fashion.
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It's not happening very soon, electric vehicles won't generate money like cars running on petrol and diesel, the man that invented a car using water to run was assassinated because this will make petrol useless or make the government less money, Cars running on gas is still better than using electricity, I am not saying it's impossible but I doubt it will generate better money, right now, its less safe to even drive electric vehicles, because I keep hearing they go up in flames and burn down with no reason.

By the way, yes. If you now look at the market for individual vehicles, there are unicycles, scooters, bicycles, and electric motorcycles. It has become an alternative to the car, for local trips. The home-work-shop-home cycle is quite well provided by the above solutions.
Regarding "often catch fire and burn out" - I'll tell you - a lot of cars constantly break down, get into accidents, and people die there. But let me clarify - these are very budget, very low-quality, without normal security solutions. Similarly, low-quality electric vehicles.
By the way, the ignition of cars with internal combustion engines, both on gasoline and on gas, is not uncommon, although the technology has been around for more than 100+ years
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I doubt petrol/diesel cars will be phased out by then. Petro states will surely be against this big time and they will not allow this to happen at all costs. There probably would be a large cut on the number of ICE cars that will be produced but they will never be removed from the markets until the oil from these petro states are completely depleted and there's no more oil to be had. Perhaps a lot of countries will opt to a lot of hybrids in the coming years instead of fully abandoning petrol cars, and that is the safer option IMO.
This law bans the sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles in the EU from 2035. And this means that old cars running on gasoline and diesel fuel will continue to drive on the roads of the European Union for a long time to come. But the law itself is useful and necessary. The need to phase out gasoline and diesel internal combustion engines is evident due to the current rapid climate change. If the climate continues to change and many countries see this as an obvious danger, then the transition to electric cars may even accelerate. On the other hand, every year electric cars will improve and become cheaper. So this law in the EU, I think, will work in a timely manner.
This is possible and it will happen. 2035 is quite a big number of years. Only 2 years is OK for a very big change to happen let alone 10yrs time. Even if the law is not passed, people on their own will be drifting away from the use of combustion engine vehicles. Humanity likes safety and convenience and moreso they tend to follow trends. By 2035 many things will change to your greatest surprise.
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I doubt petrol/diesel cars will be phased out by then. Petro states will surely be against this big time and they will not allow this to happen at all costs. There probably would be a large cut on the number of ICE cars that will be produced but they will never be removed from the markets until the oil from these petro states are completely depleted and there's no more oil to be had. Perhaps a lot of countries will opt to a lot of hybrids in the coming years instead of fully abandoning petrol cars, and that is the safer option IMO.
This law bans the sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles in the EU from 2035. And this means that old cars running on gasoline and diesel fuel will continue to drive on the roads of the European Union for a long time to come. But the law itself is useful and necessary. The need to phase out gasoline and diesel internal combustion engines is evident due to the current rapid climate change. If the climate continues to change and many countries see this as an obvious danger, then the transition to electric cars may even accelerate. On the other hand, every year electric cars will improve and become cheaper. So this law in the EU, I think, will work in a timely manner.
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Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

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The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

I think that this plan was drawn up for a different reason than to reduce carbon dioxide emissions in the atmosphere. Rather, because these countries need to reduce gasoline consumption. In any case, this is an excellent initiative, and it is worth all the difficulties that will have to be overcome to its full implementation.  I think by 2037 there won't be a single gasoline-fueled car left. I think the industrial sector of these 27 countries needs to think about how to convert cars with gasoline engines into electric traction. Then they won't have to throw them all in the landfill.

Or it could just be a plan. The other countries are looking at it differently because no petrol/diesel with ruin the industrialization of the countries that produce products. Without it, it will destroy their economy.

You know, they also want to improve the lives of thier people.  Without petrol/diesel, the economy of India or China will also be ruined and they are the rising power in the east. Are they not going to protect thier interest?

The rest of the world back in thier time have been using Petrol and diesel to manufacture products and making their country rich, should India and China deprive thier country to become superpower as well?


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Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

Quote
The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

I think that this plan was drawn up for a different reason than to reduce carbon dioxide emissions in the atmosphere. Rather, because these countries need to reduce gasoline consumption. In any case, this is an excellent initiative, and it is worth all the difficulties that will have to be overcome to its full implementation.  I think by 2037 there won't be a single gasoline-fueled car left. I think the industrial sector of these 27 countries needs to think about how to convert cars with gasoline engines into electric traction. Then they won't have to throw them all in the landfill.
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Hopefully a pipe dream. I am one of those who prefer ICE cars over EV's. I love my car and as long as I can buy another, I will. I will never buy a EV. If they give me one for free, i will just sell it and buy an ICE car. EV's are not suitable for making long trips and the range simply sucks. If the weather is too hot, the range goes down. If the weather is too cold the range goes down. I already carry a cellphone with me and its battery life drives me crazy. I don't need another troublemaker.

I think instead of making cars running on batteries, they should make phones running on oil. I would pre-order an ICE cell-phone.

The question of solving the problem of the power reserve of electric vehicles is a matter of "the coming days." Already, there are quite affordable electric vehicles with a range of 400-500 km. I am sure that by 2025 the problem "1 charge = 1000 km" will already become commonplace. And with the development of supercapacitor technology and alternative battery technologies, in the next 3-5 years, the amount of energy in batteries will many times exceed the duration of the trip of any internal combustion engine. Replacing the battery with an electric car easily solves the issue of increasing the range. And you, with a tank in your car, will only drive the prescribed distance, with no chance to change it, except by buying another car. At the same time, I can predict that in many countries, with the growth of the electric car market, gas stations will become a rarity, and there will be no parking every kilometer, there will be no demand for them.
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I think this is a dream, the ranking of the world's top companies today is dominated by oil companies, and of course they have a good analysis of the future of oil, I have even read that oil will continue to be needed by humans and cannot be replaced, maybe there are currently many auto companies that make electric cars, but auto experts believe that oil vehicles will last a long time.
most oil free energy tech is owned by wait for it:

oil companies.

So if switching to green means they make more money on green tech they will switch.
I think that is what the main goal should be. People are aiming at having clean energy, but they are just telling the nations to support it, nothing more. If they could make it so much profitable to have solar panels and wind turbines compared to having oil mines, then why would oil companies keep on digging for more oil?

It's easy enough to realize that they only care about their profits, so make green energy more profitable and you solve the issue yourself. All those oil companies will focus on making a profit from green instead of oil and they will spend billions upon billions to make it happen. If we focus on that, our future will be very green.
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I think this is a dream, the ranking of the world's top companies today is dominated by oil companies, and of course they have a good analysis of the future of oil, I have even read that oil will continue to be needed by humans and cannot be replaced, maybe there are currently many auto companies that make electric cars, but auto experts believe that oil vehicles will last a long time.

most oil free energy tech is owned by wait for it:

oil companies.

So if switching to green means they make more money on green tech they will switch.
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I think this is a dream, the ranking of the world's top companies today is dominated by oil companies, and of course they have a good analysis of the future of oil, I have even read that oil will continue to be needed by humans and cannot be replaced, maybe there are currently many auto companies that make electric cars, but auto experts believe that oil vehicles will last a long time.
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That will happen only in Europe, not all countries in the world. Then we know that this country is the only one that can be said to be a rich and developed country. So it is possible to say that they can do that.

But in a country that is struggling to develop, I don't think that can be practically applied because others are not fully aware of the technology we have today. Then that can still change until 2035 before it happens.
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Simple to toss up a goal or date.

Most likely Europe will be closer to all electric ⚡️ by 2040 or 2045.

I would love to see this happen by 2035 but I would think ten years later.
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If the policy is finally implemented that means most of the petrol and diesel automobile assembly plants will lay off majority of their staff leading to massive unemployment and job cut, except they convert their machine to electric car manufacturing assembly plant, well I think electric car it is a welcome development going by the high rate of pollution from the exhaust pipes of those petrol and diesel vehicle particularly in many developing or third countries there are plenty unserviceable vehicles mostly imported from advance countries which constituted a lot of pollution once those cars is replaced with electric cars that will put an end to pollution.
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Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.

For the end user, after the initial buying price? Probably.
Overall? No. The batteries are expensive and their production is harmful for the environment. I don't think that most countries will even have proper battery disposal facilities by 2035.
Even the charging of EV is a difficult problem, because it can drain the grid under safety levels. EV can have a proper future only after we (humans) invent much better ways of storing electricity for both EV, charging stations, regions (!!).

So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

No. But it will ensure steps towards that.
Remember the original economy light bulbs? They were all neon bulbs with toxic materials in. Meanwhile we switched to LED bulbs. I think that this is the intention: a push towards evolving.

Yes, the problem with electric machines is the part of the battery, the waste in this battery also has substances that are quite harmful to the environment so maybe we need an appropriate place for disposal, and we also really haven't found an alternative to making batteries because today the materials for making Batteries are also quite difficult and expensive, so it may need further development to become a cheaper product in the future.

But I think the 17-year gap to reach the target is enough time to make preparations, as we know that in this era development is faster than before, it is possible that 2035 can be implemented even though it is not evenly distributed.
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European countries made a tough decision and took quick action in this regard. I expect such a decision to come, now officially approved. I think it will take a long time for countries with no charging infrastructure or financial means to pass, maybe they will still continue to use gasoline/diesel vehicles. I do not know what action can be taken in this regard, as a result, the whole world is affected by the gases produced by gasoline and diesel vehicles.
The new law will start on 2035, right? So people still have lot of time to adjust or prepare about this new change. I don't think it was a tough decision when its said that the cost for it are much cheaper than the traditional ones. People will also feel better in terms of their health because there are no more gas emissions.

The world will now thank us for this because it can now breathe clearer. For other poorer countries, this may take time to be implemented but they can surely do what they can to be able to catch up and won't get left behind from this new trend. For now they can continue using gas and diesel, and there are no serious offence for doing this.
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There is nothing fantastic about this idea. In Norway, for example, now 4 out of 5 cars sold are electric cars. And from 2025 they plan to completely stop selling private cars with internal combustion engines.
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Countries like Norway or Sweden are exceptions if we consider other parts of Europe, because they have long since overcome some basic obstacles and due to their natural resources and high standard of living, they can afford to reach some goals much earlier than everyone else. Some data say that in Denmark even 70% of people use bicycles or public transport, and they are not even interested in the state's generous incentives when it comes to buying electric vehicles.



Another important point that we may not have mentioned is that the ban on production vehicles with internal combustion does not mean that everyone will suddenly switch to electric vehicles or some other alternative - all those who own old vehicles should continue to use them as long as they want to - or until the government decided to close all gas stations.


You have noticed a very subtle nuance! Indeed, in these countries, approaches to life, the concept of values is very different from the classical behavior of people living for the sake of "accumulation" and visible wealth. Therefore, the value of the car in these countries has decreased. Many people refuse to become a full-fledged owner due to the lack of a constant need. A lot of people use car-sharing and other convenient services that do not burden wallets. Of course, there will be a layer for which a car is an opportunity to show "its advantages" and "its status".

But I think that in today's situation, Russia has staged an oil and gas terror in Europe, will only accelerate the process of Europeans switching to cars that are less dependent on "fuel for the implementation of political complexes and grievances." Whatever one may say, oil will rise in price in the future - its reserves are not unlimited, and the development of new fields is becoming more and more difficult and expensive. Therefore, the transition to at least hybrids and then to full-fledged electric cars is already in the near future. Yes, with the exception of economically and technologically backward countries with underdeveloped economies, where buying and owning an electric car will be very expensive and difficult

I'm quite skeptical regarding this "You'll own nothing, and you'll be happy" lifestyle. For many needs car-sharing is not very convenient and is too expensive. As to the energy, I'm sure you know we're still burning coal and natural gas to produce it. We already have electricity shortage in many regions. Building more charging stations and selling more EVs will make things much worse.
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