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Quote from: madnessteat on June 06, 2022, 05:34:22 AM

I absolutely agree with you. Any law can be circumvented if it does not include the death penalty as a punishment. Cockfighting owners can simply register their organization in another jurisdiction and continue to hold fights indoors, where law enforcement can't get to them. Residents of the Philippines will be able to visit such online gambling sites using a VPN.

I think the punishment will not be a death sentence but a prison sentence because this is different from the abuse of illegal drugs such as narcotics. At the same time, online cockfighting owners can choose where they can register their business and choose a country that allows gambling so they will not be penalized. The use of VPNs will grow, especially in the Philippines, so people will still be able to play online gambling.

Quote from: yazher on June 06, 2022, 05:41:48 AM

Yeah! if people realize their own mistakes, they will gonna take heed next time and eventually look for something that has no risk when only looking for fun. After all, the risk-free things are there and you don't need a bunch of groups to make you happy, just a small club where you meet some people who will gonna be like a family to you is enough to have fun as long as you don't do anything illegal. Spending time with the right people is also fun and the only thing that will ruin it is envy and other diseases of the heart.

People who have lost many times and finally realize their mistakes will try to stop gambling and find other less risky pleasures. Maybe they need to find other activities that are not related to gambling, let alone gambling which is illegal in their country so they don't have to experience or get punished later. If they could find something that would allow them to enjoy their time apart from gambling, they wouldn't be wasting their money on anything but could actually be getting some valuable quality time.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on June 06, 2022, 06:24:24 AM

It does not end but will be minimized, that's what the government wants because they cannot totally eradicate gambling. Their decision is for the benefits of the poor, poor people has to spend on their needs as they cannot afford to gamble, maybe they will just gamble a small amount as their excuse but they tend to gambling addicting which we are trying to prevent.

Easy access to gambling by means of digital money, gcash and paymaya if I'm not mistaken offer direct transactions for anyone to play directly from the previous E-Sabong website, I remember someone from my neighborhood that instead of using the Ayuda from the government the father of a certain family used big portions of the money to gamble and instead of having a much longer supplies; they needed to ask assistance again from their near side relatives for some extended help.

I believe gambling won't never be stopped even if the government tighten its rules. But given the case you said, using Ayuda for his gambling addiction, i guess that needs to be given discipline and even proper sanction from the government. Whether we deny it or not, those cash assistance from the government are even the fuels to gamble more especially that they don't hardly earned that money that is why its very easy for them to lose.

Gambling has been always a problem in any given country, well not all but mostly. Even if the government will take harsh measures, the people can still find a way where and when to gamble because there will be always a gambling site/venue where they can gamble even if it's already illegal.

The problem in society nowadays, people tend to look for easy money that's why they chose to gamble even if the chance of losing is much more greater than winning. That's also why they are easily get scammed.

With the passage of time new generation interests are changing too. They are more relaxed and likes to live in a comfortable environment.
I believe in next couple of year - this gambling style will be limited to a few group of people. Of Course - government keeps a check but the people are way smarter than what gov thinks.

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Quote from: Viscore on June 06, 2022, 01:52:13 PM

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Quote from: Yamifoud on June 06, 2022, 06:24:24 AM

It does not end but will be minimized, that's what the government wants because they cannot totally eradicate gambling. Their decision is for the benefits of the poor, poor people has to spend on their needs as they cannot afford to gamble, maybe they will just gamble a small amount as their excuse but they tend to gambling addicting which we are trying to prevent.

Easy access to gambling by means of digital money, gcash and paymaya if I'm not mistaken offer direct transactions for anyone to play directly from the previous E-Sabong website, I remember someone from my neighborhood that instead of using the Ayuda from the government the father of a certain family used big portions of the money to gamble and instead of having a much longer supplies; they needed to ask assistance again from their near side relatives for some extended help.

I believe gambling won't never be stopped even if the government tighten its rules. But given the case you said, using Ayuda for his gambling addiction, i guess that needs to be given discipline and even proper sanction from the government. Whether we deny it or not, those cash assistance from the government are even the fuels to gamble more especially that they don't hardly earned that money that is why its very easy for them to lose.

Gambling has been always a problem in any given country, well not all but mostly. Even if the government will take harsh measures, the people can still find a way where and when to gamble because there will be always a gambling site/venue where they can gamble even if it's already illegal.

The problem in society nowadays, people tend to look for easy money that's why they chose to gamble even if the chance of losing is much more greater than winning. That's also why they are easily get scammed.

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Quote from: madnessteat on June 06, 2022, 05:34:22 AM

Quote from: michellee on June 06, 2022, 05:00:50 AM

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I absolutely agree with you. Any law can be circumvented if it does not include the death penalty as a punishment. Cockfighting owners can simply register their organization in another jurisdiction and continue to hold fights indoors, where law enforcement can't get to them. Residents of the Philippines will be able to visit such online gambling sites using a VPN.

really not worth it if the punishment for cockfighting perpetrators is the death penalty LOL. I strongly support the Philippine government to ban cockfighting but it would be even more effective if cockfighting was not banned but strictly regulated. Cockfighting is one of the longest bets in the world, it's hard to wipe it clean.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on June 06, 2022, 06:24:24 AM

It does not end but will be minimized, that's what the government wants because they cannot totally eradicate gambling. Their decision is for the benefits of the poor, poor people has to spend on their needs as they cannot afford to gamble, maybe they will just gamble a small amount as their excuse but they tend to gambling addicting which we are trying to prevent.

Easy access to gambling by means of digital money, gcash and paymaya if I'm not mistaken offer direct transactions for anyone to play directly from the previous E-Sabong website, I remember someone from my neighborhood that instead of using the Ayuda from the government the father of a certain family used big portions of the money to gamble and instead of having a much longer supplies; they needed to ask assistance again from their near side relatives for some extended help.

I believe gambling won't never be stopped even if the government tighten its rules. But given the case you said, using Ayuda for his gambling addiction, i guess that needs to be given discipline and even proper sanction from the government. Whether we deny it or not, those cash assistance from the government are even the fuels to gamble more especially that they don't hardly earned that money that is why its very easy for them to lose.

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Quote from: stadus on June 05, 2022, 01:47:07 PM

The way I see it, I might be wrong but I seriously think that they are already dead because why would they hide these agents for months now. Well, that said, I hope I'm wrong.

There is so much discussion on this - this should happen and this should not happen.
But this gambling has never ended - and it will never end. Maybe - the people in the village and middle class people have this entertainment and source of enjoyment - dont think there is any end to it.

Perhaps, you're just confused about this discussion. This Sabong is a traditional game in the Philippines where the middle class and lower class is the majority participants, the game was already circulating in the country and was introduced in the somewhere in the 15th century, so we can somehow say that this won't end anytime soon.

The government and authorities are just banning the online version of the game and not the the actually Sabong itself where you can bet personally.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on June 06, 2022, 07:45:01 AM

That's a good possibility if those gamblers and operators will start using crypto and the bond between them developed good trust
It's very possible that they will continue operating this illegally.
I'm pretty sure that those elites are capable of working it out and facilitate without any radar from the authorities, as even before they
can locate them high officials who also part of the syndicate can easily track this information and feed it to the operators.

Illegal gambling will always be part of our corrupt system, I don't think we can still change this one.
With regards to crypto adoption, I don't think its a good idea since not all bettors know Cryptocurrency and the online sabong target market is the poor people who are easily get addicted and don't know much about the risk of gambling, crypto is too broad for them. Well, the authorities should continue to regulate this and monitor the whole system, many are still addict on this sabong.

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Quote from: Maslate on June 04, 2022, 08:16:35 AM

People will not stop supporting this because they got used to gambling when E-Sabong was legalized, and it's already part of our culture that some of us love Sabong. If it's easy for operators to operate an illegal online sabong, then they would not stop doing it, unless those who participated will also face the consequences but it's not the case because the liability only goes to the operators.

I'm sure that the people who support the E-sabong have decreased in big numbers today since it was suspended by the government. It's not convenient anymore to play here since deposits and withdrawals are not thru the famous payment method GCASH. Average gamblers won't surely like the idea of placing a bet on any other methods since their public information might be exposed. They are used using GCASH where cash-in and cashout are almost instant with no sweat.

It's also difficult to find an agent these days as they can't just show themselves to the public and promote illegal gambling operations. That will be a risky move for them and possibly might be caught by the authorities. They won't even be trusted right away by the public since everyone knows that E-Sabong is not operating anymore

They may be decreased in numbers but they still have huge followers of e-sabong remember this e-sabong has become a multi-billion pesos industry even beating revenues from cockfighting held in cockfight arenas, they are employing thousands of people the guerilla operation or underground operation will keep on and I don't think authorities can keep up, even if they are not using GCASH there's a possibility these operators will use Cryptocurrency, to avoid getting tracked.

That's a good possibility if those gamblers and operators will start using crypto and the bond between them developed good trust
It's very possible that they will continue operating this illegally.
I'm pretty sure that those elites are capable of working it out and facilitate without any radar from the authorities, as even before they
can locate them high officials who also part of the syndicate can easily track this information and feed it to the operators.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on June 06, 2022, 06:24:24 AM

It does not end but will be minimized, that's what the government wants because they cannot totally eradicate gambling. Their decision is for the benefits of the poor, poor people has to spend on their needs as they cannot afford to gamble, maybe they will just gamble a small amount as their excuse but they tend to gambling addicting which we are trying to prevent.

Easy access to gambling by means of digital money, gcash and paymaya if I'm not mistaken offer direct transactions for anyone to play directly from the previous E-Sabong website, I remember someone from my neighborhood that instead of using the Ayuda from the government the father of a certain family used big portions of the money to gamble and instead of having a much longer supplies; they needed to ask assistance again from their near side relatives for some extended help.

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Quote from: yazher on June 06, 2022, 05:41:48 AM

Quote from: michellee on June 06, 2022, 05:00:50 AM

Yes, gambling never ends. Even though there is a ban from the government, people are still gambling in hidden places. Offline and online gambling will thrive and attract people to keep coming back to gambling. That's because they can channel their desire to meet their friends and play gambling together. Maybe that taste is what they are looking for in the gambling world and can't find anywhere else. But hopefully, they can find another source of fun and not gambling because it will make them lose their money.

Yeah! if people realize their own mistakes, they will gonna take heed next time and eventually look for something that has no risk when only looking for fun. After all, the risk-free things are there and you don't need a bunch of groups to make you happy, just a small club where you meet some people who will gonna be like a family to you is enough to have fun as long as you don't do anything illegal. Spending time with the right people is also fun and the only thing that will ruin it is envy and other diseases of the heart.

It does not end but will be minimized, that's what the government wants because they cannot totally eradicate gambling. Their decision is for the benefits of the poor, poor people has to spend on their needs as they cannot afford to gamble, maybe they will just gamble a small amount as their excuse but they tend to gambling addicting which we are trying to prevent.

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Quote from: michellee on June 06, 2022, 05:00:50 AM

Yes, gambling never ends. Even though there is a ban from the government, people are still gambling in hidden places. Offline and online gambling will thrive and attract people to keep coming back to gambling. That's because they can channel their desire to meet their friends and play gambling together. Maybe that taste is what they are looking for in the gambling world and can't find anywhere else. But hopefully, they can find another source of fun and not gambling because it will make them lose their money.

Yeah! if people realize their own mistakes, they will gonna take heed next time and eventually look for something that has no risk when only looking for fun. After all, the risk-free things are there and you don't need a bunch of groups to make you happy, just a small club where you meet some people who will gonna be like a family to you is enough to have fun as long as you don't do anything illegal. Spending time with the right people is also fun and the only thing that will ruin it is envy and other diseases of the heart.

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Quote from: michellee on June 06, 2022, 05:00:50 AM

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I absolutely agree with you. Any law can be circumvented if it does not include the death penalty as a punishment. Cockfighting owners can simply register their organization in another jurisdiction and continue to hold fights indoors, where law enforcement can't get to them. Residents of the Philippines will be able to visit such online gambling sites using a VPN.

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Quote from: sovie on June 05, 2022, 02:57:46 PM

Quote from: stadus on June 05, 2022, 01:47:07 PM

The way I see it, I might be wrong but I seriously think that they are already dead because why would they hide these agents for months now. Well, that said, I hope I'm wrong.

There is so much discussion on this - this should happen and this should not happen.
But this gambling has never ended - and it will never end. Maybe - the people in the village and middle class people have this entertainment and source of enjoyment - dont think there is any end to it.

Yes, gambling never ends. Even though there is a ban from the government, people are still gambling in hidden places. Offline and online gambling will thrive and attract people to keep coming back to gambling. That's because they can channel their desire to meet their friends and play gambling together. Maybe that taste is what they are looking for in the gambling world and can't find anywhere else. But hopefully, they can find another source of fun and not gambling because it will make them lose their money.

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Quote from: agustina2 on June 04, 2022, 06:07:40 PM

Quote from: Maslate on June 04, 2022, 08:16:35 AM

People will not stop supporting this because they got used to gambling when E-Sabong was legalized, and it's already part of our culture that some of us love Sabong. If it's easy for operators to operate an illegal online sabong, then they would not stop doing it, unless those who participated will also face the consequences but it's not the case because the liability only goes to the operators.

I'm sure that the people who support the E-sabong have decreased in big numbers today since it was suspended by the government. It's not convenient anymore to play here since deposits and withdrawals are not thru the famous payment method GCASH. Average gamblers won't surely like the idea of placing a bet on any other methods since their public information might be exposed. They are used using GCASH where cash-in and cashout are almost instant with no sweat.

It's also difficult to find an agent these days as they can't just show themselves to the public and promote illegal gambling operations. That will be a risky move for them and possibly might be caught by the authorities. They won't even be trusted right away by the public since everyone knows that E-Sabong is not operating anymore

They may be decreased in numbers but they still have huge followers of e-sabong remember this e-sabong has become a multi-billion pesos industry even beating revenues from cockfighting held in cockfight arenas, they are employing thousands of people the guerilla operation or underground operation will keep on and I don't think authorities can keep up, even if they are not using GCASH there's a possibility these operators will use Cryptocurrency, to avoid getting tracked.

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Quote from: sovie on June 05, 2022, 02:57:46 PM

Quote from: stadus on June 05, 2022, 01:47:07 PM

The way I see it, I might be wrong but I seriously think that they are already dead because why would they hide these agents for months now. Well, that said, I hope I'm wrong.

There is so much discussion on this - this should happen and this should not happen.
But this gambling has never ended - and it will never end. Maybe - the people in the village and middle class people have this entertainment and source of enjoyment - dont think there is any end to it.

He is talking about the Missing agents of this Online Cockfighting in which gone for many months now , and also the cockfight might not end in Barrios and in villages but at least In the Philippines they are hindering the Online version as this causes Lives and living .

there are many families that suffers a lot so let this be end and never to tolerate once more of the next coming president as the administration is soon to change .

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Quote from: stadus on June 05, 2022, 01:47:07 PM

The way I see it, I might be wrong but I seriously think that they are already dead because why would they hide these agents for months now. Well, that said, I hope I'm wrong.

Hopefully that we're wrong on that speculation but it seems that it's the actual thing that happened to them. I feel bad for their family whenever I see them on the media and they still don't lose hope that those people are still alive.
It's no longer being followed or if there's someone that comes out and exposes the masterminds behind these incidents of kidnapping, they will eventually going to dig into the case and will put it on media again. But this time, my thoughts and prayers and comfort to their families.

Nothing but to hope and pray that there is still someone from those missing agents and gamblers that are still alive, with how the media is not hyping the case after Pres. Duterte announces the ban of E-Sabong, it's sad to see those families who still hoping that miracles can happen and their love one's will comeback.

The chance might be slim, but hoping is the only choice those families have right now.

They can't lose that faith inside that those missing people are still going to show up alive and they will be together again..

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Quote from: stadus on June 05, 2022, 01:47:07 PM

The way I see it, I might be wrong but I seriously think that they are already dead because why would they hide these agents for months now. Well, that said, I hope I'm wrong.

Hopefully that we're wrong on that speculation but it seems that it's the actual thing that happened to them. I feel bad for their family whenever I see them on the media and they still don't lose hope that those people are still alive.
It's no longer being followed or if there's someone that comes out and exposes the masterminds behind these incidents of kidnapping, they will eventually going to dig into the case and will put it on media again. But this time, my thoughts and prayers and comfort to their families.

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Quote from: stadus on June 05, 2022, 01:47:07 PM

The way I see it, I might be wrong but I seriously think that they are already dead because why would they hide these agents for months now. Well, that said, I hope I'm wrong.

There is so much discussion on this - this should happen and this should not happen.
But this gambling has never ended - and it will never end. Maybe - the people in the village and middle class people have this entertainment and source of enjoyment - dont think there is any end to it.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on June 01, 2022, 01:14:53 PM

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings?

Let's have this explanation.
Inside the actual cockpit, the person who owns the cock will intentionally place their rooster, an ill one so that they'll get a sure loss as it fights with the opponent rooster.
Then, he and his friends and everyone in their circle will bet on their opponent's cock so that's an assurance that they'll get to win because they know the other rooster is ill, weak, and sick. Now, this is a big loss for the operators and it's cheating on their end, so what these operators do is that they're hiring some people to kidnap them and judge them by hand and most of those kidnap victims were never found, they kidnap the cheaters.

Yes, this is the closest speculation for the kidnapping incident of the E-Sabong agents, I will use the word speculation for now as there are no evidence found that points out that it is the right scenario but I certainly believe that was the case because how would the matter resulted into an abduction if it was for another reason? Certainly it is not because of the reason that these certain missing persons are just unlucky that is why they had been abducted when in fact the operators could just replace them if they can't bring any luck.

There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

That's the hard part right there, the same task force who was ordered to investigate the abduction of agents were just afraid to lose their life or job incase they will find a hard evidence to point out who's the mastermind. I bet they already know who it is, it's just that they don't have any evidence yet and that's already good for them because in that way, they're safe as they are not hitting any big walls.

I really think that behind these missing agents and players of online sabong is a vigilante. Perhaps some authorities already have a clue which group of people might be the reason of the suddenly missing people involved in such activities. However, they cannot make a move just yet because there are still no concrete evidence. Or perhaps they can't just touch whoever it is because it's a powerful one.

I don't know for sure and this is mainly a speculation. But i really do hope that the missing people are still alive and would be found out soon. Because most of them are still young and have so much ahead waiting for them in the future. In addition, some have families to provide for.

Might be a vigilante or a group of experienced personnel which expertise are abduction without some traces left. This speculations we're talking are the most possible and the nearest scenario. If the authorities already have a clue, they surely wouldn't leak some information because if they state a name or group they might flee as they are already known to be the abductors. However, it really looks like they don't have some clues at all and just some speculations without evidence.

The way I see it, I might be wrong but I seriously think that they are already dead because why would they hide these agents for months now. Well, that said, I hope I'm wrong.

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Quote from: Maslate on June 04, 2022, 08:16:35 AM

People will not stop supporting this because they got used to gambling when E-Sabong was legalized, and it's already part of our culture that some of us love Sabong. If it's easy for operators to operate an illegal online sabong, then they would not stop doing it, unless those who participated will also face the consequences but it's not the case because the liability only goes to the operators.

I'm sure that the people who support the E-sabong have decreased in big numbers today since it was suspended by the government. It's not convenient anymore to play here since deposits and withdrawals are not thru the famous payment method GCASH. Average gamblers won't surely like the idea of placing a bet on any other methods since their public information might be exposed. They are used using GCASH where cash-in and cashout are almost instant with no sweat.

It's also difficult to find an agent these days as they can't just show themselves to the public and promote illegal gambling operations. That will be a risky move for them and possibly might be caught by the authorities. They won't even be trusted right away by the public since everyone knows that E-Sabong is not operating anymore

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