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There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

Better to be safe as we those who are investigating knows how deep the circle of those PNP officials behind, they don't want to burn everything and ended up proving nothing, just like how the drug syndicate as per the President itself, high rankings generals are part of the syndicate and those low level are afraid or not willing to dive deeper knowing the consequences,

It's really hard to prove if the working bodies are unsure, even the live witnesses and all the evidences are already being submitted.

Just wait and see if the new government will continue to proceed finding and convicting all the proven people behind this kidnapping.

Knowing the justice system in the Philippines, it will probably take a lot of time before this case will be solved, or worse this case will not be solved due to a lack of evidence especially the witness of the crime. That's the kind of justice we have in the Philippines, so the government just decided to ban E-Sabong so it will not happen again.

Witnesses are actually afraid and were even silenced because the people behind this huge kidnapping case are a powerful syndicate and they can even manipulate the government through their money. It's a good thing that they have banned it because it could continuously cause more massive crimes. I really hope that justice could still be served to the victims and yes, it could really take time but I guess big personalities behind it would use their money to save themselves from this case.
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There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

Better to be safe as we those who are investigating knows how deep the circle of those PNP officials behind, they don't want to burn everything and ended up proving nothing, just like how the drug syndicate as per the President itself, high rankings generals are part of the syndicate and those low level are afraid or not willing to dive deeper knowing the consequences,

It's really hard to prove if the working bodies are unsure, even the live witnesses and all the evidences are already being submitted.

Just wait and see if the new government will continue to proceed finding and convicting all the proven people behind this kidnapping.

Knowing the justice system in the Philippines, it will probably take a lot of time before this case will be solved, or worse this case will not be solved due to a lack of evidence especially the witness of the crime. That's the kind of justice we have in the Philippines, so the government just decided to ban E-Sabong so it will not happen again.

The worst-case scenario is with the new administration these killings will be forgotten and they will relaunch the e-sabong with a lot of restrictions and regulations, it is a money game, you can't kill a goose that lays a golden egg and with the new administration needing a new source of funds, e-sabong will always come out as a good source 30 million monthly and employing thousands of people it's a big temptation to let it operate again.
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There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

Better to be safe as we those who are investigating knows how deep the circle of those PNP officials behind, they don't want to burn everything and ended up proving nothing, just like how the drug syndicate as per the President itself, high rankings generals are part of the syndicate and those low level are afraid or not willing to dive deeper knowing the consequences,

It's really hard to prove if the working bodies are unsure, even the live witnesses and all the evidences are already being submitted.

Just wait and see if the new government will continue to proceed finding and convicting all the proven people behind this kidnapping.

Knowing the justice system in the Philippines, it will probably take a lot of time before this case will be solved, or worse this case will not be solved due to a lack of evidence especially the witness of the crime. That's the kind of justice we have in the Philippines, so the government just decided to ban E-Sabong so it will not happen again.
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There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

Better to be safe as we those who are investigating knows how deep the circle of those PNP officials behind, they don't want to burn everything and ended up proving nothing, just like how the drug syndicate as per the President itself, high rankings generals are part of the syndicate and those low level are afraid or not willing to dive deeper knowing the consequences,

It's really hard to prove if the working bodies are unsure, even the live witnesses and all the evidences are already being submitted.

Just wait and see if the new government will continue to proceed finding and convicting all the proven people behind this kidnapping.
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Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).
Who is kidnapped? the gambler or the cock? Stealing the fighter cock is common but if you talking about the kidnapping of the person than this is very unusal.
There seems to be different rule for the poor while the law and rule for the rich is the same.

You might wanna read this news so you will have an idea about the kidnapping that we are also talking in this thread.

charged over missing 34 e-sabong enthusiasts

This was actually reached to the Senate for investigation.
read here :
https://businessmirror.com.ph/2022/06/02/senate-adopts-committee-report-on-e-sabong-probe/
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Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).
Who is kidnapped? the gambler or the cock? Stealing the fighter cock is common but if you talking about the kidnapping of the person than this is very unusal.
There seems to be different rule for the poor while the law and rule for the rich is the same.
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Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings?
Let's have this explanation.
Inside the actual cockpit, the person who owns the cock will intentionally place their rooster, an ill one so that they'll get a sure loss as it fights with the opponent rooster.
Then, he and his friends and everyone in their circle will bet on their opponent's cock so that's an assurance that they'll get to win because they know the other rooster is ill, weak, and sick. Now, this is a big loss for the operators and it's cheating on their end, so what these operators do is that they're hiring some people to kidnap them and judge them by hand and most of those kidnap victims were never found, they kidnap the cheaters.

Yes, this is the closest speculation for the kidnapping incident of the E-Sabong agents, I will use the word speculation for now as there are no evidence found that points out that it is the right scenario but I certainly believe that was the case because how would the matter resulted into an abduction if it was for another reason? Certainly it is not because of the reason that these certain missing persons are just unlucky that is why they had been abducted when in fact the operators could just replace them if they can't bring any luck.
There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.
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They only shut it down because the reports of people missing have been greatly publicized, but I believe if those reports didn't surface and weren't that sensationalized, the e-Sabong operations would continue as it is and the government will still rake in a lot of money monthly from the said legal operations.

It's impossible that those reports won't be surfaced since the cases are growing bigger. It will be publicized no matter what.

E-sabong is not really illegal as of now but just suspended that's why every current operation is considered illegal.

Waiting for the noticed of the new government if they will really take down e-sabong for good.

They used to make millions so why would stop them from operating if there's demand in the market, they will have to learn guerilla marketing to sustain their underground operation and according to the authorities

I doubt the current demand. There are a few still operating behind the shadow but I'm sure the demand is not that high. Maybe only those who are really addicted to E-sabong will still continue to bet here.

Different during the legal days of the operation where even not a gambler is playing E-sabong.
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The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions  pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn


But even though that revenue will be a big help, the government still chose to ban the entire E-Sabong operation because of its effects. There are these missing workers who were believed to be dead already and most of all, it's obvious that the most affected are the poor ones because they are the majority bettors.

The contributing factor on why this E-sabong stop is the incident about missing sabongero and its good that government listen to the advices of people to stop this because this already cost bad to much from people. Even by now those sabongero didn't been traced yet and I believe those guys are dead since there's still no news about them so maybe the one who held them shut them off because this is big anomaly if they let those sabongero get away.
Usually people who are lost does really get involved with some unpaid or unsettled business in between or both parties which might result into those kind of abduction or simply in related with these things thats why

government couldnt really just ignore it out and its just right on having that initiative on making such action due to these conditions which i could say that it wasnt really a bad decision that had been made.

Speaking of sabong business or addiction then it would be always tied into it and we know its cons and pros but it is just right for government to take action.
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I have said it in my previous post that this online sabong has not stopped totally and now they are operating illegally though the income is not like before but still they earned a massive amount while government receives nothing.

They used to make millions so why would stop them from operating if there's demand in the market, they will have to learn guerilla marketing to sustain their underground operation and according to the authorities

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“We have to understand that this is internet-based, and we cannot just [easily] find the owners [of the websites]. We really have to coordinate with the service providers to find out and establish the identity of those behind the illegal e-sabong operations,” Fajardo explained.

Read more: https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1599465/some-e-sabong-operators-still-dodging-duterte-ban#ixzz7V63Fip00

I doubt if these people are using their true names to run the operation online, and also doubt if these providers will provide names without a court order, the best that they can do is to request them to take down, but I expect more underground e-sabong to operate, its Pandora's box that just been opened.
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The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions  pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn


But even though that revenue will be a big help, the government still chose to ban the entire E-Sabong operation because of its effects. There are these missing workers who were believed to be dead already and most of all, it's obvious that the most affected are the poor ones because they are the majority bettors.

The contributing factor on why this E-sabong stop is the incident about missing sabongero and its good that government listen to the advices of people to stop this because this already cost bad to much from people. Even by now those sabongero didn't been traced yet and I believe those guys are dead since there's still no news about them so maybe the one who held them shut them off because this is big anomaly if they let those sabongero get away.
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3 billions  pesos every month? Thats over $150 million USD.

Thats not too bad, no wonder they government was usually so lax on such a senseless sport. Morality does tend to oxidize away into nothing when your country desperately needs money. Except usually the leaders end up putting the money in their own pockets while the people get even poorer. I think thats a good reason why people should not support E-Sabong. Or better all Sabong. Its morally degrading.

Yup, E-sabong operators earned 3 billion pesos while the government only earned 40 million pesos as tax for their operations, that was way too small but for the government, it is better than receiving nothing at all. The main reason for the ban of online sabong is due to degrading morality as some people lose control on betting as betting online is such an easy thing to do and you can do it everywhere at any time so some people's financial status was affected.

I have said it in my previous post that this online sabong has not stopped totally and now they are operating illegally though the income is not like before but still they earned a massive amount while government receives nothing.
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Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings?
Let's have this explanation.
Inside the actual cockpit, the person who owns the cock will intentionally place their rooster, an ill one so that they'll get a sure loss as it fights with the opponent rooster.
Then, he and his friends and everyone in their circle will bet on their opponent's cock so that's an assurance that they'll get to win because they know the other rooster is ill, weak, and sick. Now, this is a big loss for the operators and it's cheating on their end, so what these operators do is that they're hiring some people to kidnap them and judge them by hand and most of those kidnap victims were never found, they kidnap the cheaters.

Yes, this is the closest speculation for the kidnapping incident of the E-Sabong agents, I will use the word speculation for now as there are no evidence found that points out that it is the right scenario but I certainly believe that was the case because how would the matter resulted into an abduction if it was for another reason? Certainly it is not because of the reason that these certain missing persons are just unlucky that is why they had been abducted when in fact the operators could just replace them if they can't bring any luck.
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That is maybe part of the reason but it's not really the real reason why it was shut down. The case is still open, and it has not found the mastermind of the crime, so why would they blame it to e sabong? It's shut down for the benefit of the majority, especially the poor people, that's it.
This is their basis for now and there's also a possibility that this legal issues are purely based on their personal agenda so we don't really know because our government is very dirty and seriously, a lot of under the table deals are happening off cam. Well, its good that its banned already but we can still expect more gamblers to go for the black market where they can still bet and gamble. Let's just see the action of the new administration because most probably, they will inherit this issues and they have to solve this for the benefit of everyone.
Not part but the main trigger point on why the outgoing president decides to ban this E-Sabong, with those people who still missing and with the rumor participations of high ranking PNP officials, even those huge millions that the government is earning from the taxes the government still decided to close it and not to allow the facilitations of this gambling online.

My personal take is that the President see this as an alternate way from those PNP officials instead of involving their names to drugs which is very hot if they can take a good cut from those E-Sabong owners so why not take the money and stay clean away from drug-related cases.
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They are want to protect animal laws which they said that cock fighting is abusing the animal care cause they put something deadly weapon on the leg of the rooster and start to fight ,and yes every round there's 90 % chance that one rooster will died . but some cockfighting gambler said that when the hen lay eggs almost 15 and when they lay 1 egg they have a chance to have rooster or another hen. And other hen lay total of 15 and the outcome is 5 rooster and 10 hen which good have a 5 cock fighter so they feel that that's not a animal abuse.
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It would seem that cockfighting is really just a big thing in the Philippines these days (though I’m assuming there are other western nations also allowing for this to be going on). Those of you who live in the Philippines here, why not try and fighting back? Start protesting, educating fellow countrymen on this sickening and barbaric torture these animals are being put through? I can’t believe whether this gambling “game” is still even being considered by anyone.

Again, as always, if you support this..FUCK YOU!

This is the only decent stance you can take towards any sport that involves harm to animals and making two animals fight against each other to the death is especially sadistic. It is so brutal and barbaric that it echos throughout society at large, most civilized societies have outlawed similar blood sports many centuries ago. How anyone could take pleasure or entertainment from seeing animals in such fear is rather sick in the head. You can tell this case is simply about the fact that the Philippine government cannot control the revenue flow from online games that they have banned it, but they still allow in-country fights because they don't care about the animal welfare side one bit.
Nope. they arent banning cockfighting but only banning or blocking into those illegal online betting sites or platforms because it could really be having two
possible reasons.

1. They cant able to tax
2. They are minding about their citizens too much addiction.

This is a good government stance towards the situation but dont expect about 100% precision or totally solving out such problem.

Cock fighting is a big thing here in the Philippines because this is the only gambling platform that people can play whenever they want to play.   And cock fighting is the most or famous gambling fight during festival in different barangay or even in town. The government can not have a tax if this illegal gambling will continue and that's the reason why the government pushing to banned this kind of game in the country,.

This is old tradition which been past decades to decades so its really hard for government to stop this since there are so many people gamble this illegally. And this sabong just brought online by a billionaire tycoon in Philippines and try to legalize it, first government look at it as other source of income since economy has been crumpled by covid-19 but since there are studies that this brought negative things to certain individuals then they stop this and this is we can say a good action they take because if they let it operate for much longer years and ignore the risk already shown for sure there will be more lives will be destroyed.

For me, cockfighting is something primitive, it is something that I do not see either good or bad, of course what happens is that there are currently many animal protection laws, and honestly some people consider it very violent acts to put hedges little animals to fight, to be honest in my house I have 1 rooster and 1 hen, the hen has 10 eggs, I don't know if it will have 10 chickens, but I am not capable of killing those animals, it's silly but I I have taken a lot of affection, and I think it is normal, the rooster also lives with cats and when I feed the cats the rooster will eat too, in addition the rooster allows himself to be touched, he likes to be hugged and caressed, he would not be able to watching a cockfight because it would give me a lot of pain, although it is a tradition in the Philippines I respect that but I don't share it.
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The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions  pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

See? The largest operator of E-Sabong gets 3 Billion pesos of gross income per month and the Philippines will easily generate P640-million revenue from e-sabong operations in the country per month. That money would surely help them cover some bills for the nation especially now that it's still Covid season.

But even though that revenue will be a big help, the government still chose to ban the entire E-Sabong operation because of its effects. There are these missing workers who were believed to be dead already and most of all, it's obvious that the most affected are the poor ones because they are the majority bettors.

We will never know why the government took such a step now, but I think they just did not agree, as is often the case between business and government.

In fact, I don't think E-Sabong was banned because of animal cruelty or concern for the poorer segments of the population who prefer this type of entertainment. I think the real reason goes much deeper than that.

Only the government knows the real reason, they have approved the license then they stopped it, there is a big reason for that and we have to understand that because it's already final. We can still enjoy cock fighting, but it will not happen anymore online.
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The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions  pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

See? The largest operator of E-Sabong gets 3 Billion pesos of gross income per month and the Philippines will easily generate P640-million revenue from e-sabong operations in the country per month. That money would surely help them cover some bills for the nation especially now that it's still Covid season.

But even though that revenue will be a big help, the government still chose to ban the entire E-Sabong operation because of its effects. There are these missing workers who were believed to be dead already and most of all, it's obvious that the most affected are the poor ones because they are the majority bettors.

We will never know why the government took such a step now, but I think they just did not agree, as is often the case between business and government.

In fact, I don't think E-Sabong was banned because of animal cruelty or concern for the poorer segments of the population who prefer this type of entertainment. I think the real reason goes much deeper than that.
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That is maybe part of the reason but it's not really the real reason why it was shut down. The case is still open, and it has not found the mastermind of the crime, so why would they blame it to e sabong? It's shut down for the benefit of the majority, especially the poor people, that's it.
This is their basis for now and there's also a possibility that this legal issues are purely based on their personal agenda so we don't really know because our government is very dirty and seriously, a lot of under the table deals are happening off cam. Well, its good that its banned already but we can still expect more gamblers to go for the black market where they can still bet and gamble. Let's just see the action of the new administration because most probably, they will inherit this issues and they have to solve this for the benefit of everyone.
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The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions  pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

See? The largest operator of E-Sabong gets 3 Billion pesos of gross income per month and the Philippines will easily generate P640-million revenue from e-sabong operations in the country per month. That money would surely help them cover some bills for the nation especially now that it's still Covid season.

But even though that revenue will be a big help, the government still chose to ban the entire E-Sabong operation because of its effects. There are these missing workers who were believed to be dead already and most of all, it's obvious that the most affected are the poor ones because they are the majority bettors.

They only shut it down because the reports of people missing have been greatly publicized, but I believe if those reports didn't surface and weren't that sensationalized, the e-Sabong operations would continue as it is and the government will still rake in a lot of money monthly from the said legal operations. Personally I don't get why the government of the Philippines don't legalize most gambling activities in the country. It'll easily generate lots of taxes which, in turn, can pay for a lot of projects that the gov't has.

Then again you also have lots of department heads that do nothing but rape the gov't of its budget, so ultimately them banning e-Sabong operations didn't really change much.

That is maybe part of the reason but it's not really the real reason why it was shut down. The case is still open, and it has not found the mastermind of the crime, so why would they blame it to e sabong? It's shut down for the benefit of the majority, especially the poor people, that's it.
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