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The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

See? The largest operator of E-Sabong gets 3 Billion pesos of gross income per month and the Philippines will easily generate P640-million revenue from e-sabong operations in the country per month. That money would surely help them cover some bills for the nation especially now that it's still Covid season.

But even though that revenue will be a big help, the government still chose to ban the entire E-Sabong operation because of its effects. There are these missing workers who were believed to be dead already and most of all, it's obvious that the most affected are the poor ones because they are the majority bettors.

They only shut it down because the reports of people missing have been greatly publicized, but I believe if those reports didn't surface and weren't that sensationalized, the e-Sabong operations would continue as it is and the government will still rake in a lot of money monthly from the said legal operations. Personally I don't get why the government of the Philippines don't legalize most gambling activities in the country. It'll easily generate lots of taxes which, in turn, can pay for a lot of projects that the gov't has.

Then again you also have lots of department heads that do nothing but rape the gov't of its budget, so ultimately them banning e-Sabong operations didn't really change much.

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Quote from: ultrloa on June 01, 2022, 05:16:27 PM

The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

See? The largest operator of E-Sabong gets 3 Billion pesos of gross income per month and the Philippines will easily generate P640-million revenue from e-sabong operations in the country per month. That money would surely help them cover some bills for the nation especially now that it's still Covid season.

But even though that revenue will be a big help, the government still chose to ban the entire E-Sabong operation because of its effects. There are these missing workers who were believed to be dead already and most of all, it's obvious that the most affected are the poor ones because they are the majority bettors.

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Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).

This is just a causal game for the mid to lower class status in the Philippines but recently the large investors and upper class status see the potential of it to make an earning and of course they built their own stadium regarding with this game play and some issues right now in PH is the large number of person are still missing due to having a match-fixing in the fight. And of course no one want to get abuse of this and some hoax there's a large name involve so they can't talk about it.

The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

So for this they really see a huge potential to earn money in this industry and government see this also as good source of tax that's why they let this operate because they can get collect money from this business to put it on pandemic response. But since the abuse is rampant especially the issue about missing sabongero burst then this that's why they been stop to operate. We don't know on when they will be back but hopefully the government will not let them open their life destroyer business again.

3 billions pesos every month? Thats over $150 million USD.

Thats not too bad, no wonder they government was usually so lax on such a senseless sport. Morality does tend to oxidize away into nothing when your country desperately needs money. Except usually the leaders end up putting the money in their own pockets while the people get even poorer. I think thats a good reason why people should not support E-Sabong. Or better all Sabong. Its morally degrading.

Hard to say that government put the money on their pocket out of the taxes gotten from that business model since so far as I see in PH they already have decent government there so I think they just decide to make that continue to operate because they can also get money from it. But guess this E-sabong will not be back anymore because there are so many testimonies about lives has been destroy and I believe government is already done with it and already have decision about stopping it.

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Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).

This is just a causal game for the mid to lower class status in the Philippines but recently the large investors and upper class status see the potential of it to make an earning and of course they built their own stadium regarding with this game play and some issues right now in PH is the large number of person are still missing due to having a match-fixing in the fight. And of course no one want to get abuse of this and some hoax there's a large name involve so they can't talk about it.

The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

So for this they really see a huge potential to earn money in this industry and government see this also as good source of tax that's why they let this operate because they can get collect money from this business to put it on pandemic response. But since the abuse is rampant especially the issue about missing sabongero burst then this that's why they been stop to operate. We don't know on when they will be back but hopefully the government will not let them open their life destroyer business again.

3 billions pesos every month? Thats over $150 million USD.

Thats not too bad, no wonder they government was usually so lax on such a senseless sport. Morality does tend to oxidize away into nothing when your country desperately needs money. Except usually the leaders end up putting the money in their own pockets while the people get even poorer. I think thats a good reason why people should not support E-Sabong. Or better all Sabong. Its morally degrading.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on June 01, 2022, 01:14:53 PM

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime.

Lots of reasons to mention:

- Fixed-game
- Big fish agent
- Debts as agents can replenish the balance of users without paying first
- Breaking the agreement etc.

You are wrong in the last statement that legal gambling has nothing to do with the crime. IF you want to dig more, you can refer to the Senate investigation here regarding the missing case of those people involved in online cockfights.

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Quote from: harizen on May 30, 2022, 06:59:21 PM

Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).

This is just a causal game for the mid to lower class status in the Philippines but recently the large investors and upper class status see the potential of it to make an earning and of course they built their own stadium regarding with this game play and some issues right now in PH is the large number of person are still missing due to having a match-fixing in the fight. And of course no one want to get abuse of this and some hoax there's a large name involve so they can't talk about it.

The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

So for this they really see a huge potential to earn money in this industry and government see this also as good source of tax that's why they let this operate because they can get collect money from this business to put it on pandemic response. But since the abuse is rampant especially the issue about missing sabongero burst then this that's why they been stop to operate. We don't know on when they will be back but hopefully the government will not let them open their life destroyer business again.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on June 01, 2022, 01:14:53 PM

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings?

Let's have this explanation.
Inside the actual cockpit, the person who owns the cock will intentionally place their rooster, an ill one so that they'll get a sure loss as it fights with the opponent rooster.
Then, he and his friends and everyone in their circle will bet on their opponent's cock so that's an assurance that they'll get to win because they know the other rooster is ill, weak, and sick. Now, this is a big loss for the operators and it's cheating on their end, so what these operators do is that they're hiring some people to kidnap them and judge them by hand and most of those kidnap victims were never found, they kidnap the cheaters.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on June 01, 2022, 01:14:53 PM

Quote from: harizen on May 30, 2022, 06:59:21 PM

Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).

This is just a causal game for the mid to lower class status in the Philippines but recently the large investors and upper class status see the potential of it to make an earning and of course they built their own stadium regarding with this game play and some issues right now in PH is the large number of person are still missing due to having a match-fixing in the fight. And of course no one want to get abuse of this and some hoax there's a large name involve so they can't talk about it.

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Quote from: harizen on May 30, 2022, 06:59:21 PM

Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).

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The fact that these operators of E-Sabong been have some deep connections are already given as they are continually operating on a daily basis in other platform even though there's a ban implemented. They knew the risk but they not afraid because they are paying high officials in any sort of department to give them protection and feed them information, the money for protection is not that big compared to the money they are getting from the bettors in a daily basis.

Though there are no proven information about that, we all knew that it do exist those protectors are wide and they can feed every possible raid that the government may attempt, the money that surrounds this business are huge enough to bring those operators to continue this business, they can spend money to allure greed government officials and those who are in PNP, high rankings police officials that can monitor the actions that might be done against them.

We don't have to know because that information comes with names of these high ranking officials of any department including the National Police department, all we know that these sort of protections exists and we have seen plenty news about this and note these news are not speculations but it's already proven that there are protectors. Of course the E-Sabong have some of it, though it's not proven yet but we know that there will be someone who protects them with high ranks.

For a corrupted country then it would be possible thats why there are some activities or events which cant really totally get rid off or hadnt able to be caught because there are ones who do protect these fellas

thats why it do continue to operate despite of the bans and prohibitions because there are ones who are sitting on the top who are letting this activities to continue and make benefit from it.

This is why its not surprising that how much they do try to get rid or resolve things up which is impossible but this is only possible into some countries but not all.

Yep, most of the countries in this world are experiencing the same problem which is corruption because no matter how hard the head of the nation or state tries to dissolve these illegal activities. There will be always a protector that's why these operators aren't afraid to continue their illegal activities.

This problem is common nowadays, and honestly, even the strictest government cannot do much about it.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on May 30, 2022, 10:26:53 AM

Do you think that the reason why it's stopped is because of the unsolved kidnapping case?

If that is the reason, then I think the reason is not too deep that would affect the overall interest of the people, I mean if it does not destroy life, then it should not be banned, but I suspect that the government are seeing it as one of the reasons they poor struggles more financially.

Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

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I heard on the news awhile ago that there is a news about killing of the franchise owners of the online cockfighting, I am not sure about what I heard but do you think that those franchise owners are taking down because they are somewhat connected to the incident before? what could be the other reasons since I think they lose business because the PH temporarily bans the E-Sabong.

I have not heard of this news yet, kindly post the link here if ever you see it again.

If you dig deeper into this online cockfighting you will be shocked at how this thing is full of S__T. Lots of cheating were happening that most of the betters don't recognize how it is being done. As per PNP, cheating is the main reason in the disappearance of those 20+ sabong enthusiasts.

Maybe some of you think that online sabong has fully stopped but the truth is it still persist in illegal way just like before. Those online operators in the legal one are still the operators in this illegal activity also. It is hard to stop E-sabong since the money involve this industry is so massive.

The cock fighting is very common in villages - but in not sure about online cock fighting because in many villages there is limited internet supply.
But this cock fight spectators need be more stronger than average people. Because it needs a strong never to watch animal in trouble - I hope animal rights association work a bit harder on this law.

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Quote from: joeperry on May 30, 2022, 12:17:43 PM

I heard on the news awhile ago that there is a news about killing of the franchise owners of the online cockfighting, I am not sure about what I heard but do you think that those franchise owners are taking down because they are somewhat connected to the incident before? what could be the other reasons since I think they lose business because the PH temporarily bans the E-Sabong.

I have not heard of this news yet, kindly post the link here if ever you see it again.

If you dig deeper into this online cockfighting you will be shocked at how this thing is full of S__T. Lots of cheating were happening that most of the betters don't recognize how it is being done. As per PNP, cheating is the main reason in the disappearance of those 20+ sabong enthusiasts.

Maybe some of you think that online sabong has fully stopped but the truth is it still persist in illegal way just like before. Those online operators in the legal one are still the operators in this illegal activity also. It is hard to stop E-sabong since the money involve this industry is so massive.

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First of all gambling is risky and then doing illegal gambling is even more risky. Even, if you won in online cockfighting by playing it illegally, there is chance that you got caught by the authorities and all your money is fortified too.
Cockfighting is not only illegally accepted , it is morally bad too. If you are human and have a heart, you should avoid it at any cost.

Cock fighting seems an easies of gambling - if your pet is strong and sharp you know that you are going to win.
In our regions - people in village are very much in to this gambling, for them it is a source of entertainment and they have their set rules for it. One should have a strong heart to enjoy this.

They are breeders who really cares to their fighting cock but if they lose, they have no choice but to eat it. Well, this happen many times and we know that its really popular in our country. The new administration still looks like they are interested to continue this so they can collect taxes, No wonder if later on they will make this one legal and have its regulations again.

It should be the other way around when the owner or the breeder's cock loses the match the owner of the cock that beats the other cock takes home the dead cock its like the winner take all policy, it's hard for a breeder to eat his own cock.

If the new government will relaunch the online sabong it could be the end of this year, the new administration will do a transition first, and appoint new government officials before looking for new ways to generate funds but I read that one of the option is increasing tax but I'm 100% sure the relaunch of e-sabong will be recommended because there are many lobbyists and there's bribe involved.

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The fact that these operators of E-Sabong been have some deep connections are already given as they are continually operating on a daily basis in other platform even though there's a ban implemented. They knew the risk but they not afraid because they are paying high officials in any sort of department to give them protection and feed them information, the money for protection is not that big compared to the money they are getting from the bettors in a daily basis.

Though there are no proven information about that, we all knew that it do exist those protectors are wide and they can feed every possible raid that the government may attempt, the money that surrounds this business are huge enough to bring those operators to continue this business, they can spend money to allure greed government officials and those who are in PNP, high rankings police officials that can monitor the actions that might be done against them.

We don't have to know because that information comes with names of these high ranking officials of any department including the National Police department, all we know that these sort of protections exists and we have seen plenty news about this and note these news are not speculations but it's already proven that there are protectors. Of course the E-Sabong have some of it, though it's not proven yet but we know that there will be someone who protects them with high ranks.

For a corrupted country then it would be possible thats why there are some activities or events which cant really totally get rid off or hadnt able to be caught because there are ones who do protect these fellas

thats why it do continue to operate despite of the bans and prohibitions because there are ones who are sitting on the top who are letting this activities to continue and make benefit from it.

This is why its not surprising that how much they do try to get rid or resolve things up which is impossible but this is only possible into some countries but not all.

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Quote from: virasog on May 30, 2022, 12:38:28 PM

First of all gambling is risky and then doing illegal gambling is even more risky. Even, if you won in online cockfighting by playing it illegally, there is chance that you got caught by the authorities and all your money is fortified too.
Cockfighting is not only illegally accepted , it is morally bad too. If you are human and have a heart, you should avoid it at any cost.

Cock fighting seems an easies of gambling - if your pet is strong and sharp you know that you are going to win.
In our regions - people in village are very much in to this gambling, for them it is a source of entertainment and they have their set rules for it. One should have a strong heart to enjoy this.

They are breeders who really cares to their fighting cock but if they lose, they have no choice but to eat it. Well, this happen many times and we know that its really popular in our country. The new administration still looks like they are interested to continue this so they can collect taxes, No wonder if later on they will make this one legal and have its regulations again.

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Quote from: Fredomago on May 29, 2022, 07:30:27 AM

Quote from: stadus on May 28, 2022, 11:58:15 AM

The fact that these operators of E-Sabong been have some deep connections are already given as they are continually operating on a daily basis in other platform even though there's a ban implemented. They knew the risk but they not afraid because they are paying high officials in any sort of department to give them protection and feed them information, the money for protection is not that big compared to the money they are getting from the bettors in a daily basis.

Though there are no proven information about that, we all knew that it do exist those protectors are wide and they can feed every possible raid that the government may attempt, the money that surrounds this business are huge enough to bring those operators to continue this business, they can spend money to allure greed government officials and those who are in PNP, high rankings police officials that can monitor the actions that might be done against them.

We don't have to know because that information comes with names of these high ranking officials of any department including the National Police department, all we know that these sort of protections exists and we have seen plenty news about this and note these news are not speculations but it's already proven that there are protectors. Of course the E-Sabong have some of it, though it's not proven yet but we know that there will be someone who protects them with high ranks.

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Quote from: virasog on May 30, 2022, 12:38:28 PM

First of all gambling is risky and then doing illegal gambling is even more risky. Even, if you won in online cockfighting by playing it illegally, there is chance that you got caught by the authorities and all your money is fortified too.
Cockfighting is not only illegally accepted , it is morally bad too. If you are human and have a heart, you should avoid it at any cost.

Cock fighting seems an easies of gambling - if your pet is strong and sharp you know that you are going to win.
In our regions - people in village are very much in to this gambling, for them it is a source of entertainment and they have their set rules for it. One should have a strong heart to enjoy this.

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We know that even if cockfighting is made illegal there are going to be people that are going to want to take advantage of the situation and they will still organize those fights, but at least by making them illegal you will decrease the amount of animals becoming victims of that activity, and in the case you can find those that are organizing those events then you can put them in jail, so while it is clear that cockfighting will keep existing the number of those events will go down.

They will continue to play cockfighting if they have played often and the government will find it difficult to ban it because the organizer or people who gamble will hide the place.
But hopefully, the number of the events can go down so that gradually, there will be no more victims, either from animals or people who can become addicted.
But the use of crypto in online cockfighting can make crypto popular among gamblers because they can gamble without using their bank account.

I just found out yesterday from a friend that online esabong still exists with some illegal online platform. We can actually gamble if we like, but we should bear in mind that it's illegal and what we are doing is against the law, if we get scammed, we cannot complain to the authority as including us will be charge.

I dont know it is safe to gamble this way. Everything illegal brings in trouble. One gets into it thinking everything will go as they think - but trouble comes uninvited. I would not do anything illegal to keep myself safe from trouble.

First of all gambling is risky and then doing illegal gambling is even more risky. Even, if you won in online cockfighting by playing it illegally, there is chance that you got caught by the authorities and all your money is fortified too.
Cockfighting is not only illegally accepted , it is morally bad too. If you are human and have a heart, you should avoid it at any cost.

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