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Only the government knows the real reason, they have approved the license then they stopped it, there is a big reason for that and we have to understand that because it's already final. We can still enjoy cock fighting, but it will not happen anymore online.

The government have already issued a statement regarding the ban of online sabong and it is because of degrading morality but i doubt if the president would ban E-sabong if it was not election time. If we recall, the call for the stoppage of E-sabong came from people who have ties with the opposition candidates because they want to use that issue to somewhat taint the government but the current President is so wise that he heed the call even before the opposition candidates can use that one.

You still can watch online cockfighting but with an agent this time and of course, it is illegal.
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Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).
Who is kidnapped? the gambler or the cock? Stealing the fighter cock is common but if you talking about the kidnapping of the person than this is very unusal.
There seems to be different rule for the poor while the law and rule for the rich is the same.
My guess is they are being kidnapped because they stole the cock. It is also possible that those people that have been kidnapped have cheated the game. For the losers and who lose their chicken, it is now time for them to payback. Cheating in gambling could only happen in illegal matches but for the legal one's we can be sure that the match are fair. You are right about the law/rule.

If you are poor, you will usually got beaten up and killed by the authorities but if you are rich, you can easily get out of the crime that you did by paying them with a good amount of money. If we don't want to be like that, we should not commit stealing and cheating.
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Yes, we both do understand that this situation is existing in so many countries and the state can't do anything about it. Only iron hands can stop them and those politicians and people in the authority that has a political will.
It's already part of the society and that's the reality that we've been seeing and we don't know if there's still hope about it and only time will tell when and whom can cut it.

It would be hard for us ordinary people to solve this issue unless the government would do their part regardless of how big the fishes are. I think one of the effective ways for the government to control gambling addiction that leads to crimes is to educate people and to spread awareness on how to get rid of too much gambling. Gambling addiction has been the root of all these crimes.
We don't have to solve it but the government should be the one to take the burden. Normal citizens would just have to be aware of the consequences if they're planning to cheat because it's really going to put their lives in danger for real.
Educating is one and restricting is what they've done but, there's no way that they can stop 100% all of these operations from the online betting for cockfighting because they'll have hard time in tracing all of these activities.
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It's easy for big operators to orchestrate this illegal E-Sabong they already have numbers of big players who can play behind the doors, rich people who know how to play discreetly. As the government release the order not to allow this gambling to operate online, there are many sideways for people who already engage to this gambling, operators can easily give them access and let them bet the same way as normal operations behind any radars of the government.
This gambling is for the poor community - they invested a little money and find entertainment for them and for the people around them.
That brings a little joy for them - but of course a cock is hurt which is not good. Also it is an ancient game and it stays in the market someway or the other way.
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I think the Filipinos should put pressure on their government and the police to deal with these criminal problems. And only after these obvious problems are solved can you do such nonsense as cockfights.

There's no "it should" because it's already happening. Unfortunately, there will always be a case that someone or some group won't cooperate with the government. No matter how hard the pressure is, if the problem is on the core, that's a hard task for the government.

The main solution here for this menace to stop is for the people themselves to stop supporting illegal gambling operations. These corrupt officials won't be getting any benefits if there are no massive players that will use their illegal operations.

People will not stop supporting this because they got used to gambling when E-Sabong was legalized, and it's already part of our culture that some of us love Sabong. If it's easy for operators to operate an illegal online sabong, then they would not stop doing it, unless those who participated will also face the consequences but it's not the case because the liability only goes to the operators.

It's easy for big operators to orchestrate this illegal E-Sabong they already have numbers of big players who can play behind the doors, rich people who know how to play discreetly. As the government release the order not to allow this gambling to operate online, there are many sideways for people who already engage to this gambling, operators can easily give them access and let them bet the same way as normal operations behind any radars of the government.
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I don't have any idea about this kind of issues because big whales or big gamblers in cock fighting will not listen to the discussions because all they want is to gain more profit so they will not participate in any discussion made by the government maybe what the government doing right now is good they banned e sabong and cockfighting to resolve the issues like those missing sabongeros.  Hope this issues will be solve .

I don't think they ban cockfighting. Only the online cockfighting has seized operation because of too much abuse with the gamblers due to it's easy access and 24/7 operations that could lead to more poverty.
Cockfighting is still legal as long as you get the permit to operate everytime you orchestrate an event.
The traditional cockfighting cannot be easily accessed by the gamblers and it will only operates once or twice a week. So, it's totally different than the online cockfighting betting.
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It's not as easy as we can say, mate. These big fish really had the power due to money, that's the sad reality and this isn't just happening in our country but also in other countries where they can feed those authorities with a bunch of money that they can. But this time, even if they don't feed money to the authorities, they're putting power into their own hands and get away with it later even a case will be filed against them because they have all the means to get away with it due to money and bail.

I understand what you are talking about because I live in Russia, where everything is also decided by money and corrupt ties, and criminals feel as comfortable as possible here. And yes, in fact, we cannot do anything against this "big gang" that has seized the state, but I (and many of the citizens) at least understand the essence of the problem and do not pay attention to trifles like some kind of illegal businesses (even if it's something then a hardcore like drugs or the like).
Yes, we both do understand that this situation is existing in so many countries and the state can't do anything about it. Only iron hands can stop them and those politicians and people in the authority that has a political will.
It's already part of the society and that's the reality that we've been seeing and we don't know if there's still hope about it and only time will tell when and whom can cut it.

It would be hard for us ordinary people to solve this issue unless the government would do their part regardless of how big the fishes are. I think one of the effective ways for the government to control gambling addiction that leads to crimes is to educate people and to spread awareness on how to get rid of too much gambling. Gambling addiction has been the root of all these crimes.

If this became more rampant then maybe i future this will be uncontrollable by government. But its good that government is listening to the people and they stop this because they are seeing so many complains about thia issues. Gambling education might be good but for sure this will be turn to useless because for sure addicted gamblers will not mind to this discussions.
I don't have any idea about this kind of issues because big whales or big gamblers in cock fighting will not listen to the discussions because all they want is to gain more profit so they will not participate in any discussion made by the government maybe what the government doing right now is good they banned e sabong and cockfighting to resolve the issues like those missing sabongeros.  Hope this issues will be solve .
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It's not as easy as we can say, mate. These big fish really had the power due to money, that's the sad reality and this isn't just happening in our country but also in other countries where they can feed those authorities with a bunch of money that they can. But this time, even if they don't feed money to the authorities, they're putting power into their own hands and get away with it later even a case will be filed against them because they have all the means to get away with it due to money and bail.

I understand what you are talking about because I live in Russia, where everything is also decided by money and corrupt ties, and criminals feel as comfortable as possible here. And yes, in fact, we cannot do anything against this "big gang" that has seized the state, but I (and many of the citizens) at least understand the essence of the problem and do not pay attention to trifles like some kind of illegal businesses (even if it's something then a hardcore like drugs or the like).
Yes, we both do understand that this situation is existing in so many countries and the state can't do anything about it. Only iron hands can stop them and those politicians and people in the authority that has a political will.
It's already part of the society and that's the reality that we've been seeing and we don't know if there's still hope about it and only time will tell when and whom can cut it.

It would be hard for us ordinary people to solve this issue unless the government would do their part regardless of how big the fishes are. I think one of the effective ways for the government to control gambling addiction that leads to crimes is to educate people and to spread awareness on how to get rid of too much gambling. Gambling addiction has been the root of all these crimes.

If this became more rampant then maybe i future this will be uncontrollable by government. But its good that government is listening to the people and they stop this because they are seeing so many complains about thia issues. Gambling education might be good but for sure this will be turn to useless because for sure addicted gamblers will not mind to this discussions.
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It's not as easy as we can say, mate. These big fish really had the power due to money, that's the sad reality and this isn't just happening in our country but also in other countries where they can feed those authorities with a bunch of money that they can. But this time, even if they don't feed money to the authorities, they're putting power into their own hands and get away with it later even a case will be filed against them because they have all the means to get away with it due to money and bail.

I understand what you are talking about because I live in Russia, where everything is also decided by money and corrupt ties, and criminals feel as comfortable as possible here. And yes, in fact, we cannot do anything against this "big gang" that has seized the state, but I (and many of the citizens) at least understand the essence of the problem and do not pay attention to trifles like some kind of illegal businesses (even if it's something then a hardcore like drugs or the like).
Yes, we both do understand that this situation is existing in so many countries and the state can't do anything about it. Only iron hands can stop them and those politicians and people in the authority that has a political will.
It's already part of the society and that's the reality that we've been seeing and we don't know if there's still hope about it and only time will tell when and whom can cut it.

It would be hard for us ordinary people to solve this issue unless the government would do their part regardless of how big the fishes are. I think one of the effective ways for the government to control gambling addiction that leads to crimes is to educate people and to spread awareness on how to get rid of too much gambling. Gambling addiction has been the root of all these crimes.
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It's not as easy as we can say, mate. These big fish really had the power due to money, that's the sad reality and this isn't just happening in our country but also in other countries where they can feed those authorities with a bunch of money that they can. But this time, even if they don't feed money to the authorities, they're putting power into their own hands and get away with it later even a case will be filed against them because they have all the means to get away with it due to money and bail.

I understand what you are talking about because I live in Russia, where everything is also decided by money and corrupt ties, and criminals feel as comfortable as possible here. And yes, in fact, we cannot do anything against this "big gang" that has seized the state, but I (and many of the citizens) at least understand the essence of the problem and do not pay attention to trifles like some kind of illegal businesses (even if it's something then a hardcore like drugs or the like).
Yes, we both do understand that this situation is existing in so many countries and the state can't do anything about it. Only iron hands can stop them and those politicians and people in the authority that has a political will.
It's already part of the society and that's the reality that we've been seeing and we don't know if there's still hope about it and only time will tell when and whom can cut it.
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Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings?
Let's have this explanation.
Inside the actual cockpit, the person who owns the cock will intentionally place their rooster, an ill one so that they'll get a sure loss as it fights with the opponent rooster.
Then, he and his friends and everyone in their circle will bet on their opponent's cock so that's an assurance that they'll get to win because they know the other rooster is ill, weak, and sick. Now, this is a big loss for the operators and it's cheating on their end, so what these operators do is that they're hiring some people to kidnap them and judge them by hand and most of those kidnap victims were never found, they kidnap the cheaters.

Yes, this is the closest speculation for the kidnapping incident of the E-Sabong agents, I will use the word speculation for now as there are no evidence found that points out that it is the right scenario but I certainly believe that was the case because how would the matter resulted into an abduction if it was for another reason? Certainly it is not because of the reason that these certain missing persons are just unlucky that is why they had been abducted when in fact the operators could just replace them if they can't bring any luck.
There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

That's the hard part right there, the same task force who was ordered to investigate the abduction of agents were just afraid to lose their life or job incase they will find a hard evidence to point out who's the mastermind. I bet they already know who it is, it's just that they don't have any evidence yet and that's already good for them because in that way, they're safe as they are not hitting any big walls.

I really think that behind these missing agents and players of online sabong is a vigilante. Perhaps some authorities already have a clue which group of people might be the reason of the suddenly missing people involved in such activities. However, they cannot make a move just yet because there are still no concrete evidence. Or perhaps they can't just touch whoever it is because it's a powerful one.

I don't know for sure and this is mainly a speculation. But i really do hope that the missing people are still alive and would be found out soon. Because most of them are still young and have so much ahead waiting for them in the future. In addition, some have families to provide for.
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I think the Filipinos should put pressure on their government and the police to deal with these criminal problems. And only after these obvious problems are solved can you do such nonsense as cockfights.

There's no "it should" because it's already happening. Unfortunately, there will always be a case that someone or some group won't cooperate with the government. No matter how hard the pressure is, if the problem is on the core, that's a hard task for the government.

The main solution here for this menace to stop is for the people themselves to stop supporting illegal gambling operations. These corrupt officials won't be getting any benefits if there are no massive players that will use their illegal operations.

People will not stop supporting this because they got used to gambling when E-Sabong was legalized, and it's already part of our culture that some of us love Sabong. If it's easy for operators to operate an illegal online sabong, then they would not stop doing it, unless those who participated will also face the consequences but it's not the case because the liability only goes to the operators.

The people are always right.  This is an axiom.  You can't go against the will of the people.... 

If the people of the Philippines love to play E-Sabong, then the government of the country should not impose bans. 

The maximum that the state can do is to try to minimize the harm from this type of activity.  Gambling is probably part of the national culture of the Philippines. 

Direct bans, as a rule, do not lead to a solution to problems.  In my opinion, a more flexible approach to this issue is needed.

People does love sabong so government can't ban sabong, but they can ban online sabong because they are the ones who gave permit to operate, and upon their evaluation, it does not bring positive result to the people, in fact, it only made the lives of the many people harder because they choose to gamble than to save the money for their family.
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I think the Filipinos should put pressure on their government and the police to deal with these criminal problems. And only after these obvious problems are solved can you do such nonsense as cockfights.

There's no "it should" because it's already happening. Unfortunately, there will always be a case that someone or some group won't cooperate with the government. No matter how hard the pressure is, if the problem is on the core, that's a hard task for the government.

The main solution here for this menace to stop is for the people themselves to stop supporting illegal gambling operations. These corrupt officials won't be getting any benefits if there are no massive players that will use their illegal operations.

People will not stop supporting this because they got used to gambling when E-Sabong was legalized, and it's already part of our culture that some of us love Sabong. If it's easy for operators to operate an illegal online sabong, then they would not stop doing it, unless those who participated will also face the consequences but it's not the case because the liability only goes to the operators.

The people are always right.  This is an axiom.  You can't go against the will of the people.... 

If the people of the Philippines love to play E-Sabong, then the government of the country should not impose bans. 

The maximum that the state can do is to try to minimize the harm from this type of activity.  Gambling is probably part of the national culture of the Philippines. 

Direct bans, as a rule, do not lead to a solution to problems.  In my opinion, a more flexible approach to this issue is needed.
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I think the Filipinos should put pressure on their government and the police to deal with these criminal problems. And only after these obvious problems are solved can you do such nonsense as cockfights.

There's no "it should" because it's already happening. Unfortunately, there will always be a case that someone or some group won't cooperate with the government. No matter how hard the pressure is, if the problem is on the core, that's a hard task for the government.

The main solution here for this menace to stop is for the people themselves to stop supporting illegal gambling operations. These corrupt officials won't be getting any benefits if there are no massive players that will use their illegal operations.

People will not stop supporting this because they got used to gambling when E-Sabong was legalized, and it's already part of our culture that some of us love Sabong. If it's easy for operators to operate an illegal online sabong, then they would not stop doing it, unless those who participated will also face the consequences but it's not the case because the liability only goes to the operators.
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I think the Filipinos should put pressure on their government and the police to deal with these criminal problems. And only after these obvious problems are solved can you do such nonsense as cockfights.

There's no "it should" because it's already happening. Unfortunately, there will always be a case that someone or some group won't cooperate with the government. No matter how hard the pressure is, if the problem is on the core, that's a hard task for the government.

The main solution here for this menace to stop is for the people themselves to stop supporting illegal gambling operations. These corrupt officials won't be getting any benefits if there are no massive players that will use their illegal operations.
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Thanks for the explanation. But this is exactly what I was talking about - if such things happen, then this speaks of much more serious problems in society than gambling at cockfights. If there are some people who put themselves above the law, then they will violate it no matter what area the business is in - cockfighting, some other entertainment or construction. I think the Filipinos should put pressure on their government and the police to deal with these criminal problems. And only after these obvious problems are solved can you do such nonsense as cockfights.
It's not as easy as we can say, mate. These big fish really had the power due to money, that's the sad reality and this isn't just happening in our country but also in other countries where they can feed those authorities with a bunch of money that they can. But this time, even if they don't feed money to the authorities, they're putting power into their own hands and get away with it later even a case will be filed against them because they have all the means to get away with it due to money and bail.

I understand what you are talking about because I live in Russia, where everything is also decided by money and corrupt ties, and criminals feel as comfortable as possible here. And yes, in fact, we cannot do anything against this "big gang" that has seized the state, but I (and many of the citizens) at least understand the essence of the problem and do not pay attention to trifles like some kind of illegal businesses (even if it's something then a hardcore like drugs or the like).
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There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

That's the hard part right there, the same task force who was ordered to investigate the abduction of agents were just afraid to lose their life or job incase they will find a hard evidence to point out who's the mastermind. I bet they already know who it is, it's just that they don't have any evidence yet and that's already good for them because in that way, they're safe as they are not hitting any big walls.
Yeah, that's also my guess. They already have the lead but they have to keep their mouth shut as it's not just some stranger or random guy that cannot retaliate to them but it's a big fish, a big personality that can do anything to those that will hinder their way.

Let's have this explanation.
Inside the actual cockpit, the person who owns the cock will intentionally place their rooster, an ill one so that they'll get a sure loss as it fights with the opponent rooster.
Then, he and his friends and everyone in their circle will bet on their opponent's cock so that's an assurance that they'll get to win because they know the other rooster is ill, weak, and sick. Now, this is a big loss for the operators and it's cheating on their end, so what these operators do is that they're hiring some people to kidnap them and judge them by hand and most of those kidnap victims were never found, they kidnap the cheaters.

Thanks for the explanation. But this is exactly what I was talking about - if such things happen, then this speaks of much more serious problems in society than gambling at cockfights. If there are some people who put themselves above the law, then they will violate it no matter what area the business is in - cockfighting, some other entertainment or construction. I think the Filipinos should put pressure on their government and the police to deal with these criminal problems. And only after these obvious problems are solved can you do such nonsense as cockfights.
It's not as easy as we can say, mate. These big fish really had the power due to money, that's the sad reality and this isn't just happening in our country but also in other countries where they can feed those authorities with a bunch of money that they can. But this time, even if they don't feed money to the authorities, they're putting power into their own hands and get away with it later even a case will be filed against them because they have all the means to get away with it due to money and bail.

Better to be safe as we those who are investigating knows how deep the circle of those PNP officials behind, they don't want to burn everything and ended up proving nothing, just like how the drug syndicate as per the President itself, high rankings generals are part of the syndicate and those low level are afraid or not willing to dive deeper knowing the consequences,

It's really hard to prove if the working bodies are unsure, even the live witnesses and all the evidences are already being submitted.

Just wait and see if the new government will continue to proceed finding and convicting all the proven people behind this kidnapping.
What I'm thinking is that this case will just be buried and no news anymore. It's like going to be a case that will be forgotten forever as the victims are no longer there and assumed will never go back.
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Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings?
Let's have this explanation.
Inside the actual cockpit, the person who owns the cock will intentionally place their rooster, an ill one so that they'll get a sure loss as it fights with the opponent rooster.
Then, he and his friends and everyone in their circle will bet on their opponent's cock so that's an assurance that they'll get to win because they know the other rooster is ill, weak, and sick. Now, this is a big loss for the operators and it's cheating on their end, so what these operators do is that they're hiring some people to kidnap them and judge them by hand and most of those kidnap victims were never found, they kidnap the cheaters.

Yes, this is the closest speculation for the kidnapping incident of the E-Sabong agents, I will use the word speculation for now as there are no evidence found that points out that it is the right scenario but I certainly believe that was the case because how would the matter resulted into an abduction if it was for another reason? Certainly it is not because of the reason that these certain missing persons are just unlucky that is why they had been abducted when in fact the operators could just replace them if they can't bring any luck.
There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

That's the hard part right there, the same task force who was ordered to investigate the abduction of agents were just afraid to lose their life or job incase they will find a hard evidence to point out who's the mastermind. I bet they already know who it is, it's just that they don't have any evidence yet and that's already good for them because in that way, they're safe as they are not hitting any big walls.
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Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings?
Let's have this explanation.
Inside the actual cockpit, the person who owns the cock will intentionally place their rooster, an ill one so that they'll get a sure loss as it fights with the opponent rooster.
Then, he and his friends and everyone in their circle will bet on their opponent's cock so that's an assurance that they'll get to win because they know the other rooster is ill, weak, and sick. Now, this is a big loss for the operators and it's cheating on their end, so what these operators do is that they're hiring some people to kidnap them and judge them by hand and most of those kidnap victims were never found, they kidnap the cheaters.

Thanks for the explanation. But this is exactly what I was talking about - if such things happen, then this speaks of much more serious problems in society than gambling at cockfights. If there are some people who put themselves above the law, then they will violate it no matter what area the business is in - cockfighting, some other entertainment or construction. I think the Filipinos should put pressure on their government and the police to deal with these criminal problems. And only after these obvious problems are solved can you do such nonsense as cockfights.
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There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

Better to be safe as we those who are investigating knows how deep the circle of those PNP officials behind, they don't want to burn everything and ended up proving nothing, just like how the drug syndicate as per the President itself, high rankings generals are part of the syndicate and those low level are afraid or not willing to dive deeper knowing the consequences,

It's really hard to prove if the working bodies are unsure, even the live witnesses and all the evidences are already being submitted.

Just wait and see if the new government will continue to proceed finding and convicting all the proven people behind this kidnapping.

Knowing the justice system in the Philippines, it will probably take a lot of time before this case will be solved, or worse this case will not be solved due to a lack of evidence especially the witness of the crime. That's the kind of justice we have in the Philippines, so the government just decided to ban E-Sabong so it will not happen again.

Witnesses are actually afraid and were even silenced because the people behind this huge kidnapping case are a powerful syndicate and they can even manipulate the government through their money. It's a good thing that they have banned it because it could continuously cause more massive crimes. I really hope that justice could still be served to the victims and yes, it could really take time but I guess big personalities behind it would use their money to save themselves from this case.

We should first look at how the new President's view of criminality and how he handles it, if he has the character of the old president, then there's a possibility that he will look at it, right now he is building his cabinet officials it will take more months before we'll know his takes on how he will fight criminality in gambling he offered the position of Drug Czar to the former president but he declines, but I like to believe that e-sabong will surface again online if there's a big need for a new flow of money.
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