Topic: PH banned online cockfighting - Worst gambling-related cases recorded! - page 25. (Read 3690 times)
May 05, 2022, 03:25:16 AM
Finally! I'm glad that at last e-sabong finally came into a halt. Generally, I am not a fun on letting animals kill each other for entertainment or gambling purposes. I can see for myself that a lot of people were addicted into it. I saw and heard many people losing their savings, motorcycles, cars and other assets. Some were not able to pay their debts because of this. At least this was done right away before the current president term ends. A weak president might not be able to do this or maybe there will be a lot of debates in the congress and senate which is a waste of time.
May 05, 2022, 03:09:04 AM
Fights between animals should be prohibited because they are bloody, unethical and harmful.
I understand that they bring income to the State but in the end it is an industry that takes resources without producing anything, at most simple entertainment.
In this case there Is also an issue related gambling addiction... Well It was a good choice but I think a better information should always be provided because this time Is with this game the next time It could be another one
I understand that they bring income to the State but in the end it is an industry that takes resources without producing anything, at most simple entertainment.
In this case there Is also an issue related gambling addiction... Well It was a good choice but I think a better information should always be provided because this time Is with this game the next time It could be another one
Yes, it is infact unethical, bloody, and harmful. However, this has been a tradition that's widely accepted by the society. In fact, roosters were believed to have a purpose of fighting in a cockpit (at least here in my country). Dead roosters are not wasted either, coz they're being cooked just like how other animals was slaughtered to feed humans. In that area, I don't have any problem with that.
Unfortunately, the focus of this banning is the excessive use of that specific platform.
There has been a lot of reports that families were broken because the father can't control his spendings into this type of gambling.
Some were even murdered, because either they run away with the money or cannot pay their debt accumulated by this type of gambling.
The easy access of online gambling platform creates a worst unimaginable unnecessary spending especially for those who really like to watch cock fighting.
So, in this area I 100% support the government for this.
May 05, 2022, 02:29:05 AM
It's about time honestly. According to Duterte, P640 million in taxes a month is not worth the social damage e-sabong has been causing. In part it is true, since I know a few people personally whom are into the said cockfighting craze, and are already problematic gamblers since it has reached the point wherein they will pawn important heirloom items with some serious sentimental value just to continue betting. Heck, event those people below the poverty line are betting on cockfighting games like hell, as if they can win every single bout.
Yes that's correct, given that there's a ton of news this year of missing people that is related to sabong, tho what we are talking right now is Online Sabong still i believe it is better to stop sabong but the thing is in gambling we can get a bigger taxes which the government are using for their project such as in health sector and education sector, we can't erase the fact that gambling taxes can help the people as well,I am just curious how much does the government is collecting in this Online Sabong.
May 05, 2022, 02:27:47 AM
Online cockfighting which seems new to me and I don't know people will get the same experience of real world online cockfighting. But banning because people are addicted is good move or else they can bring more restrictions so the addiction can be reduced but banning it is okay for me because its totally not fair to treat the animals in that way for our business.
cockfighting is one of the oldest gambling form that still exists today, along with horse racing. While horse racing is somewhat not super unethical, cockfighting is really unethical and it usually ends with a murder of an animal. But when governments has seen revenue, they didn't stop the spread, rather PH has a separate department for regulating such gambling habit.
https://www.pagcor.ph/regulatory/e-sabong.php
Cockfighting is a gambling game for the lower income group people in PH that's why it became immensely popular among the mass. But I am glad, that the government has finally decided to pull the plug from such bloody unethical game.
May 05, 2022, 12:26:54 AM
- Do you think that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.
I suppose? (Though I'm also a PH resident so I suppose they've already done it). Might be better to ask this as a personal opinion instead of a what-if for the government. Anyway, I'd suppose I'd do the same. Yes I understand the logic that it isn't really the activity's fault for them doing those stuff, Pretty sure any gambling activity would make them do the same, but you can't deny that it IS still the apparent reason at that moment. Though this is a band-aid solution really at most since it doesn't really attack the core of the problem- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?
No, not really. I mean I get the logic, and it's exactly why I refuse to blame the activity. Just that it's a kind of delicate matter imo, since we're tackling here the mentality of players. And it's a LOT harder to educate people compared to outright just banning the source of the problem (even if there are multiple sources forr the problem). 
May 05, 2022, 12:02:27 AM
During pandemic, these arenas where cockfighting are held temporarily closed down. E-sabong became an alternative for the gamblers to still bet and satisfy themselves. Its a big help for the Government because of the revenue they get from it. So if they decided to banned e-sabong, its a big loss for them because thats one of their source to fund their different programs particularly the Universal Health Program or UHC.
- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?
Well, its up to the gamblers how they will discipline themselves. Its really addicting but if you have discipline and you can control yourself not to go over your limit then good. The problem is not the e-sabong but the gambler itself. 
May 04, 2022, 11:17:46 PM
Online cockfighting which seems new to me and I don't know people will get the same experience of real world online cockfighting. But banning because people are addicted is good move or else they can bring more restrictions so the addiction can be reduced but banning it is okay for me because its totally not fair to treat the animals in that way for our business.
May 04, 2022, 11:03:01 PM
Some people sold their houses, cars, gadgets, and even a "kid".
I remember hearing this on the news. If I remember correctly it was the mother who sold the child for 45 thousand Philippine pesos (barely a thousand dollars) in order to gamble on e-sabong. In the end, I am glad that the child has been rescued from the buyer. I just hope the authorities filed a case against the mother for child endangerment and human trafficking. 
May 04, 2022, 10:14:49 PM
If I'm not mistaken, it was allowed during that time for the reasons of raising taxes, because there is no money coming in to the Duterte government because of the pandemic.
But it seems that the online sabong turn into worst, everyone gets addicted to it, some people are kidnapped and presume to be dead. So for me it's better to banned these online cockfighting, but the government should be ready of some illegal cockfighting because for sure this gamblers are going to shift on that.
But it seems that the online sabong turn into worst, everyone gets addicted to it, some people are kidnapped and presume to be dead. So for me it's better to banned these online cockfighting, but the government should be ready of some illegal cockfighting because for sure this gamblers are going to shift on that.
Right, the revenue and taxes from e-sabong is enough to help the country during that time, with all the so called "ayuda", and maybe now we know where is the source of all the funds come from.
So he is stepping down already, we will have a new President next week, so I guess it's for the best interest of the nation to stop and banned this e-sabong for now before the Filipino suffers more.
May 04, 2022, 09:23:56 PM
very strategic. he is about to step down so he did it right. after all many lives had been destroyed with this esabong. i saw the news yesterday, he said the lives of Filipinos were disrupted playing esabong 24 hrs a day. Duterte doesn't need the funds coming from esabong anymore which i think was php600M. it's Marcos time to find where his funds will come from.
May 04, 2022, 09:19:43 PM
If I'm not mistaken, it was allowed during that time for the reasons of raising taxes, because there is no money coming in to the Duterte government because of the pandemic.
But it seems that the online sabong turn into worst, everyone gets addicted to it, some people are kidnapped and presume to be dead. So for me it's better to banned these online cockfighting, but the government should be ready of some illegal cockfighting because for sure this gamblers are going to shift on that.
But it seems that the online sabong turn into worst, everyone gets addicted to it, some people are kidnapped and presume to be dead. So for me it's better to banned these online cockfighting, but the government should be ready of some illegal cockfighting because for sure this gamblers are going to shift on that.
May 04, 2022, 09:11:53 PM
Banning gambling overall isn't a good idea since people would still find their own way to gamble whether it be gambling through in-game cosmetics or something similar as long as it has value. Maybe a few gamblers will get discouraged after this move but it'll definitely won't stop most gamblers from going back since there are other ways for them to gamble. If their main plan is to stop gambling as a way to improve the lives of the gamblers in the country then they should've done more and stopped their lottery as well.
May 04, 2022, 09:11:16 PM
According to statistics, the government is receiving around PHP 60,000,000 (around $1,149,700 USD) per month in a form of taxation and revenue.
Are you sure about this figure? The amount I always encounter in the news is ₱640,000,000 (₱640 million). That's why it was very hard for the current administration to put a stop to it because the revenue is that huge. If it was only ₱60,000,000 (₱60 million) a month, it would have been a lot easier for the president himself to just order its closure.
Although I myself was also an online cockfighting player, I am fully in support of the ban. Not all things are to be measured in monetary terms.
May 04, 2022, 09:06:42 PM
It's about time honestly. According to Duterte, P640 million in taxes a month is not worth the social damage e-sabong has been causing. In part it is true, since I know a few people personally whom are into the said cockfighting craze, and are already problematic gamblers since it has reached the point wherein they will pawn important heirloom items with some serious sentimental value just to continue betting. Heck, event those people below the poverty line are betting on cockfighting games like hell, as if they can win every single bout.
May 04, 2022, 07:43:03 PM
I guess this online sabong didn't have that kind of personnel who gives warning if you are losing too much. Gambling should not be a problem if someone just play for the sake of fun but if they think they can make money from it then there's something wrong with that person.
Do you believe in gambling for fun? It doesn't happen, mate. Those who are saying they are gambling for fun also want to make a profit. Don't believe those who are saying that because in their inner self, they are desiring to win. And that's the start of being addicted.
Congratulations to those who can fight the temptation after a big loss. That's a good personality. However, it's unfortunate that there are others who like to chase losses. Since it's easy and convenient to play this online cockfighting, many people become addicted to it.
It should be stopped if the situation is now really worst and it can't be controlled anymore.
May 04, 2022, 07:27:18 PM
This online cockfighting is like playing in a live casino right? You just watch it at the comfort of your home and bet more often than you would at an actual casino.
Yes, simple as that. That's why it become a trendy gambling thing here in the Philippines. For as low as $2, they can start placing bets. I also play that game but not that addictive since it's not my comfort zone. But honestly, I already lose big playing online sabong (what we called here).
Regarding the ban, it's just online gambling but the usual and common way of betting directly at the cockpit arena is not prohibited and never it will be as it's already running for long here. However, since most people here found it hard and technical playing directly at the arena, only those who are knowledgeable in that sports are the always people there. Different from online cockfighting where placing bets is easy as 1,2,3 and can be access anywhere right at the comfort of the people.
May 04, 2022, 07:25:45 PM
- Do you think that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.
- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?
For me, it shouldn't be stopped but should be more regulated strictly. I know there's a thing that can balance this but I don't know the specific term of it. Because of these irresponsible gamblers, the government's revenue got affected which should be a big help now that our country is just slowly rising after years of dealing with the pandemic.
Corruption is what brought down e-sabong there are corrupt players, corrupt operators, and corrupt government officials, you combined it all, and it's a tragedy, these missing people will be missing forever if no one among those corrupt involves talks or there are witnesses willing to testify.
It should really be stopped for now abducting is still ongoing and there are many crimes involving e-sabong but I doubt if this will be permanently stopped, it's a big source of funds for corrupt people and the government is generating badly needed funds, they just want to cool things before they operate again.
May 04, 2022, 07:23:34 PM
This online cockfighting is like playing in a live casino right? You just watch it at the comfort of your home and bet more often than you would at an actual casino.
If you bring gambling and leisure closer to the people then it's only natural that they become more prone to addiction so it's probably a good idea to stop it. It's hard to stop people from gambling online so better to just ban it if it poses risks to health and family relationships.
If it doesn't give a good result then it's better to just stop it than to continue when it's actually ruining someone's life. Some of these online casino should have at least a personnel who assist someone if they do spend too much time in a casino. I guess this online sabong didn't have that kind of personnel who gives warning if you are losing too much. Gambling should not be a problem if someone just play for the sake of fun but if they think they can make money from it then there's something wrong with that person.If you bring gambling and leisure closer to the people then it's only natural that they become more prone to addiction so it's probably a good idea to stop it. It's hard to stop people from gambling online so better to just ban it if it poses risks to health and family relationships.
Even if these platforms are licensed or been allowed but the government has seen that it do really affect lots of bettors on which they had messed out their lives in terms of finances due to this online
cockfighting betting even though it generates big tax but its up still to their government whether they do proceed or ignore or would make out immediate action.
May 04, 2022, 06:40:31 PM
This online cockfighting is like playing in a live casino right? You just watch it at the comfort of your home and bet more often than you would at an actual casino.
If you bring gambling and leisure closer to the people then it's only natural that they become more prone to addiction so it's probably a good idea to stop it. It's hard to stop people from gambling online so better to just ban it if it poses risks to health and family relationships.
If it doesn't give a good result then it's better to just stop it than to continue when it's actually ruining someone's life. Some of these online casino should have at least a personnel who assist someone if they do spend too much time in a casino. I guess this online sabong didn't have that kind of personnel who gives warning if you are losing too much. Gambling should not be a problem if someone just play for the sake of fun but if they think they can make money from it then there's something wrong with that person. If you bring gambling and leisure closer to the people then it's only natural that they become more prone to addiction so it's probably a good idea to stop it. It's hard to stop people from gambling online so better to just ban it if it poses risks to health and family relationships.
May 04, 2022, 06:36:08 PM
Cockfighting ruin the life of my friend so I totally agree on this to banned this kind of online gambling because it can ruin more lives if it continues.
We know in the Philippines they spend more time online, and that's why online Cockfighting becomes the trend over the past 2 years and even though the government collects a lot of money from this, they should still regulate this or stopped it totally. Hoping that no more minors will go into this kind of gambling, because its too risky for them.
It has started during the height of the pandemic, when most people are home and looking for a way to at least get some money while staying for the lock down.We know in the Philippines they spend more time online, and that's why online Cockfighting becomes the trend over the past 2 years and even though the government collects a lot of money from this, they should still regulate this or stopped it totally. Hoping that no more minors will go into this kind of gambling, because its too risky for them.
The introduction of online cockfighting has been so quick because they've got a lot of agents and it's easier to cash in and cash out with the use of those e wallets. It seemed a very well planned execution but a lot of lives have been negatively affected because they cannot control their anger, emotion and even the budget for the needs of those addicted bettors were used for betting.
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