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Quote from: BIT-BENDER on December 14, 2024, 09:53:57 AM

Tye Manchester city vs Manchester United is the biggest English premier league match this weekend on paper and based off the fact that it's the Manchester derby and the calibre of players and coaches involved but I strongly feel the most exciting game we would have in the English premier league this weekend is Liverpool vs Fulham.
Liverpool are in the form of their lives but Fulham is not a push over team and they have what it takes to hurt Liverpool.

Liverpool and Arsenal both surprised me very much today. Shocked

Both of them drew with their competitors. The main reason for Liverpool was that early red card of course. Robertson made a huge mistake and tried to atone for it with even a bigger mistake... Why would you do that challenge? Maybe he wasn't going to be able to score. Even if he scored it would be better than playing the rest of the whole game with 10 players.

Arsenal completely dominated at Emirates. But Everton somehow managed to resist and kept it at 0-0. Now it is a good chance for Chelsea and Manchester City both.

I think Chelsea will beat Brentford at home. But as for the derby at Etihad, I don't know. Technically Guardiola is closer to the win but their recent form is terrible so...

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Quote from: yudi09 on December 09, 2024, 01:34:54 PM

When the red card was received, for me it was no longer about controversy or not. Rico Lewis' expression when he received his second yellow card was surprised that for him it was not worthy of being considered a violation that required the referee to issue a card. However, the referee in carrying out his duties must also be respected.
Let's just say this season is a less than good season for Pep.

Pep's technical ability to make Manchester City good has not changed, but the results that Manchester City will receive as long as their key players are still absent, so I think Pep's technical ability is difficult to realize, unlike other coaches who are not too influenced by the players they have when facing the opposing team.
I use Arne Slot with Liverpool as an example regarding this. So far Slot has been great.

I don't doubt about Pep, he's a coach who always Watches his games with all the emotions in the world, I know and I think everyone knows when City lost when he got scratched, so it can be said that the weak point of City is when their players get Injured , it's incredible that this team hasn't put in good players in case of injuries, this is something I don't understand and they have made a lot of money , something that can be generated by having a great Squad, of course all these things have an impact on their performance, but it's a matter of time , only now they have to do better.

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Quote from: bitLeap on December 14, 2024, 12:25:45 PM

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Tye Manchester city vs Manchester United is the biggest English premier league match this weekend on paper and based off the fact that it's the Manchester derby and the calibre of players and coaches involved but I strongly feel the most exciting game we would have in the English premier league this weekend is Liverpool vs Fulham.
Liverpool are in the form of their lives but Fulham is not a push over team and they have what it takes to hurt Liverpool.

If I'm not mistaken this is the second time Pep Guardiola meets Amorim, but Amorim first meeting was with Sporting and the result was that they managed to beat Pep Guardiola troops. But now the team they are holding is Man United so there is no guarantee that Amorim can do the same thing to Man City. Although the Citizen is in a declining performance, if the opponent is a team like Man United, they should be able to win. This is the Manchester Derby which is not playing at its best. Maybe my prediction is a narrow score for Man City victory.

Although Manchester City is in declining form, they still have a strong and experienced squad in every big match, even the ambition to continue to dominate Manchester will of course be a big ambition for them to beat the Amorim squad in the match, for Amorim, of course the derby match will be very crucial considering the great expectations imposed on him at this time, although he ever beat Manchester City in the UCL when they were still with Sporting, I think the match will have a different feel and also stronger pressure because of the rivalry between the two teams so far, the match will be a match that is difficult to predict considering the rivalry between the two teams so far, especially with the condition of the two teams which are indeed the same is in decline.

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Quote from: Woodie on December 14, 2024, 11:45:20 AM

Boy oh Boy, I didn't see Liverpool falling at the hands of fulham and I know we might say that the Robetson red card changed the Reds gameplay generally...but this can't be a valid argument as teams have won games with a man down...and btw I expected Liverpool players to be hungry for a win coming from a midweek win which should have been their motivation...guess they have been brought back to reality...

Arsenal too look like they will be held by Everton who haven't allowed alot of chances to be created by the gunners, this isn't kind of results I expected to see Cry

Losing Robertson early did affect the game although at the end Jota was able to score again but we can see Fulham's game is quite good so it's a little difficult for Liverpool to keep pressing.

Arkhh the draw between Liverpool and Arsenal disappointed us who initially believed they would win without difficulty, maybe for Liverpool if Robertson was not red carded the game would be different.

Unlucky this week to be unlucky again.

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Quote from: Abu-Naim on December 14, 2024, 10:53:36 AM

Quote from: X-ray on December 14, 2024, 10:41:18 AM

Fulham can't be taken easily by Liverpool. They're leading with one goal now. Fulham does Fulham things in the middle of season. Surprisingly, they get lucky enough because Liverpool got a red card. Fulham is lucky enough in this game. I can't believe with my eyes after they lead the game, they get another advantage.

One of the most exciting game to watch. There are lots of interesting stuff ever since the game started. I'm hoping Fulham to take there points from Liverpool's home.

They're having more players than Liverpool, it's pretty easy to win the game.

Fulham should have double their lead by now because they had like two clear chances they missed, but it’s not yet over because Liverpool is proving to be strong again even after the red card as they are making good attempts and they keep dominating the game, but it will not be easy for them since they lost an important player due to red card.
Fulham need to take their chances well to avoid playing draw because Liverpool have Moh Sallah, and we know him well and what he can do.

Arsenal on the other hand is yet to score a goal on their match, they struggle against Everton in the first half because Everton defense looks solid and they also make sure they manage Arsenal corner kick scoring ability; however, the second half will come with some goals because Arsenal can’t afford losing this match.

The match with Everton was very nervous, I don't understand how Arsenal couldn't score a goal, it was very important for me that Arsenal scored, but unfortunately they couldn't score and my bet lost. Dyche always defends, sometimes successfully, sometimes he misses, but I was almost sure that they wouldn't be able to hold out against Arsenal. Well, it's a pity, my last bets on goals scored were successful, Arsenal let me down.

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Quote from: Abu-Naim on December 14, 2024, 10:53:36 AM

Quote from: X-ray on December 14, 2024, 10:41:18 AM

Fulham can't be taken easily by Liverpool. They're leading with one goal now. Fulham does Fulham things in the middle of season. Surprisingly, they get lucky enough because Liverpool got a red card. Fulham is lucky enough in this game. I can't believe with my eyes after they lead the game, they get another advantage.

One of the most exciting game to watch. There are lots of interesting stuff ever since the game started. I'm hoping Fulham to take there points from Liverpool's home.

They're having more players than Liverpool, it's pretty easy to win the game.

Fulham should have double their lead by now because they had like two clear chances they missed, but it’s not yet over because Liverpool is proving to be strong again even after the red card as they are making good attempts and they keep dominating the game, but it will not be easy for them since they lost an important player due to red card.
Fulham need to take their chances well to avoid playing draw because Liverpool have Moh Sallah, and we know him well and what he can do.

Arsenal on the other hand is yet to score a goal on their match, they struggle against Everton in the first half because Everton defense looks solid and they also make sure they manage Arsenal corner kick scoring ability; however, the second half will come with some goals because Arsenal can’t afford losing this match.

It's draw. It's a fair result to the Liverpool considering their circumstances. They play only with 10 players after one of their players got a red card.

It's pretty disappointing me to see how Fulham could not maximizing their chance, but i still appreciate them. Their hard work is paying off with a point at anfield. I knew majority of us favored Liverpool to win the game, but how fortunate Fulham was. I see robinson is just getting better every year,

In the end, one point is one point no matter how they throw away their chance to get full points at anfield.

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Quote from: BIT-BENDER on December 14, 2024, 09:53:57 AM

Tye Manchester city vs Manchester United is the biggest English premier league match this weekend on paper and based off the fact that it's the Manchester derby and the calibre of players and coaches involved but I strongly feel the most exciting game we would have in the English premier league this weekend is Liverpool vs Fulham.
Liverpool are in the form of their lives but Fulham is not a push over team and they have what it takes to hurt Liverpool.

If I'm not mistaken this is the second time Pep Guardiola meets Amorim, but Amorim first meeting was with Sporting and the result was that they managed to beat Pep Guardiola troops. But now the team they are holding is Man United so there is no guarantee that Amorim can do the same thing to Man City. Although the Citizen is in a declining performance, if the opponent is a team like Man United, they should be able to win. This is the Manchester Derby which is not playing at its best. Maybe my prediction is a narrow score for Man City victory.

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Quote from: AYOBA on December 14, 2024, 11:15:39 AM

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Liverpool will will not find it hard to deafest Fulham no matter how bad there situation is this are games that we can easily be able to predict and win, just that the winning odd is actually very small, and they will not put this game at stake they will do everything possible to win and Liverpool might look weak but there are enough chances for them to claim three point. And since the city are not shining this season then Liverpool and arsenal might have hope of winning.

A weak team bring out a unexpected results that’s what is happening between Liverpool and the Fulham, although that Liverpool can find the match very easily to win due to how they keep their consistency right from the beginning of the season. But in other hand Fulham create a big chances for them self by leading Liverpool with 1 goal right from the 11 minutes of time in first half.

As it stand the second half has kick off and the game is on a bit, because from starting of the second half Liverpool are able to equalize back immediately; now the match is balance up again since there playing 1-1, let see what can happen next.

Well, Liverpool is currently in a very tight corner, i am not trying to be pessimistic but I don't think they will be able to beat Fullham, Fullham seems well prepared for the game, and to make matters worst for Liverpool, they lost a man to red card, it is already over 80 minutes into the match and this means that they have less than 10 minutes to play minus potential extra time.

But anyway, even a minute or few seconds can do wonders and like you said, we just have to watch and see how the game ends, good thing for me is that I initially wanted to bet on Liverpool to win the match, but some activities made me forget to place the bet when I should, and I am honestly grateful for not later doing it.

Update : Fullham have seconded their second goal making them the lead of the match, will Liverpool be able to equalize again, or have they be defeated? I am guessing they will be defeated by Fullham, but lets see.

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Boy oh Boy, I didn't see Liverpool falling at the hands of fulham and I know we might say that the Robetson red card changed the Reds gameplay generally...but this can't be a valid argument as teams have won games with a man down...and btw I expected Liverpool players to be hungry for a win coming from a midweek win which should have been their motivation...guess they have been brought back to reality...

Arsenal too look like they will be held by Everton who haven't allowed alot of chances to be created by the gunners, this isn't kind of results I expected to see Cry

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Quote from: AYOBA on December 14, 2024, 11:15:39 AM

A weak team bring out a unexpected results that’s what is happening between Liverpool and the Fulham, although that Liverpool can find the match very easily to win due to how they keep their consistency right from the beginning of the season. But in other hand Fulham create a big chances for them self by leading Liverpool with 1 goal right from the 11 minutes of time in first half.

As it stand the second half has kick off and the game is on a bit, because from starting of the second half Liverpool are able to equalize back immediately; now the match is balance up again since there playing 1-1, let see what can happen next.

I don't know what to think about Liverpool and Arsenal, like how Everton and Fulham are able to drag them to this minute, Fulham seems to be here for everything because they have score another goal making it 1-2, does that means Liverpool will lose this match? Maybe this is a redemption for Chelsea to win the Premier League because if Liverpool lose this match and Chelsea win their own, the margin is just 2 points before Chelsea take over the table.

Whatever good deed Chelsea are seeing right now with Enzo Maresca, they deserved all the accolades, they have been rubbish since last 3 seasons ever since but everywhere looks good.fot them. I don't know what to say about Arsenal right now but I have given up on their dream, maybe they can win it is up to them but personally. I will not even select their games again.

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Quote from: Baki202 on December 14, 2024, 07:50:47 AM

Liverpool will will not find it hard to deafest Fulham no matter how bad there situation is this are games that we can easily be able to predict and win, just that the winning odd is actually very small, and they will not put this game at stake they will do everything possible to win and Liverpool might look weak but there are enough chances for them to claim three point. And since the city are not shining this season then Liverpool and arsenal might have hope of winning.

A weak team bring out a unexpected results that’s what is happening between Liverpool and the Fulham, although that Liverpool can find the match very easily to win due to how they keep their consistency right from the beginning of the season. But in other hand Fulham create a big chances for them self by leading Liverpool with 1 goal right from the 11 minutes of time in first half.

As it stand the second half has kick off and the game is on a bit, because from starting of the second half Liverpool are able to equalize back immediately; now the match is balance up again since there playing 1-1, let see what can happen next.

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Quote from: X-ray on December 14, 2024, 10:41:18 AM

Fulham can't be taken easily by Liverpool. They're leading with one goal now. Fulham does Fulham things in the middle of season. Surprisingly, they get lucky enough because Liverpool got a red card. Fulham is lucky enough in this game. I can't believe with my eyes after they lead the game, they get another advantage.

One of the most exciting game to watch. There are lots of interesting stuff ever since the game started. I'm hoping Fulham to take there points from Liverpool's home.

They're having more players than Liverpool, it's pretty easy to win the game.

Fulham should have double their lead by now because they had like two clear chances they missed, but it’s not yet over because Liverpool is proving to be strong again even after the red card as they are making good attempts and they keep dominating the game, but it will not be easy for them since they lost an important player due to red card.
Fulham need to take their chances well to avoid playing draw because Liverpool have Moh Sallah, and we know him well and what he can do.

Arsenal on the other hand is yet to score a goal on their match, they struggle against Everton in the first half because Everton defense looks solid and they also make sure they manage Arsenal corner kick scoring ability; however, the second half will come with some goals because Arsenal can’t afford losing this match.

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Quote from: Altryist on December 14, 2024, 08:04:21 AM

Don't think that Rashford is the player who is the cause of all the troubles for Manchester United, they can of course sell him, but it will not change anything for the better, it will only slightly relieve the wage bill, but will deprive the team of one of the forwards. It would be better for Amorim to try to reveal Rashford's full potential, than to try to sell him so quickly, although if he has already made such a decision, it is clear that he will do it.

Rashford is seriously a Manchester United problem but he is just part of the problem and not even half of the entire club problem. The club has many problems to deal with at the moment that I feel like the players are even least of the problems. Last week they were battling the director of football role having ended up sacking the newly appointed one in person of Dan Ashworth, if a club’s hierarchy is still in confusion like this then it will transfer to the players and the managers

If they can solve the hierarchy problems then they can sit down well and look or analyze this players and then axe the ones not playing well off. Marcus is almost 27 and no longer a kid but should be in his prime, on a weekly wage above 300k why giving him lots of excuses, i feel Manchester United should have cash in on him when PSG brought €90m last two summer

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Quote from: BIT-BENDER on December 14, 2024, 09:53:57 AM

Tye Manchester city vs Manchester United is the biggest English premier league match this weekend on paper and based off the fact that it's the Manchester derby and the calibre of players and coaches involved but I strongly feel the most exciting game we would have in the English premier league this weekend is Liverpool vs Fulham.
Liverpool are in the form of their lives but Fulham is not a push over team and they have what it takes to hurt Liverpool.

Fulham can't be taken easily by Liverpool. They're leading with one goal now. Fulham does Fulham things in the middle of season. Surprisingly, they get lucky enough because Liverpool got a red card. Fulham is lucky enough in this game. I can't believe with my eyes after they lead the game, they get another advantage.

One of the most exciting game to watch. There are lots of interesting stuff ever since the game started. I'm hoping Fulham to take there points from Liverpool's home.

They're having more players than Liverpool, it's pretty easy to win the game.

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Quote from: Altryist on December 14, 2024, 08:04:21 AM

Quote from: Pokapoka124 on December 14, 2024, 06:59:46 AM

This is a good development from Manchester United. Marcus Rashford to me has been static, he has refused to develop and it's right for Manchester united to cash in on him. Ruben Amorim has to be ruthless with his players,if he wants to achieve success at the club, and he must sell underperforming players that receives huge wages to be able to free space and generate funds to buy players that will align with his vision.

Don't think that Rashford is the player who is the cause of all the troubles for Manchester United, they can of course sell him, but it will not change anything for the better, it will only slightly relieve the wage bill, but will deprive the team of one of the forwards. It would be better for Amorim to try to reveal Rashford's full potential, than to try to sell him so quickly, although if he has already made such a decision, it is clear that he will do it.

In this context I agreed with you if the best thing Amorim did was find all the advantages possessed by Rashford, instead of Amorim selling it which might make Manchester United regret if other clubs he could show its best form.
Not Rashford is actually what needs to be considered to be released by Manchester United, but Onana and Antony. Of these two players can save the cost of club expenses.

For the front lines, Hojlund, Zirczee can be used well. Releasing the two players that I mentioned can be used as an option to find a new attacker.

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Tye Manchester city vs Manchester United is the biggest English premier league match this weekend on paper and based off the fact that it's the Manchester derby and the calibre of players and coaches involved but I strongly feel the most exciting game we would have in the English premier league this weekend is Liverpool vs Fulham.
Liverpool are in the form of their lives but Fulham is not a push over team and they have what it takes to hurt Liverpool.

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Quote from: skarais on December 13, 2024, 11:39:50 AM

Quote from: kawetsriyanto on December 13, 2024, 10:36:26 AM

Actually, ten Hag and Amorim have quite significant differences in becoming coaches at Man United. At least it is about the way of communication and also tactics. Communication, maybe this seems simple, but as a coach, this is very important, establishing good communication between the coach and the players is very important in order to create a sense of solidity, closeness, and also discipline for the players under the coach.

It is common for a new coach to bring a new approach to the team he coaches including strategy and various other things. Establishing good relationships and mutual trust between coaches and players is something that will encourage good team performance. It is also necessary to strive for a passionate dressing room atmosphere, of course this is an equally important part in building good cooperation between players and coaches.

Ruben Amorin, with his capacity, certainly has differences with Ten Hag. I tend to see Amorim as a more ambitious trainer than Ten Hag, but this doesn't mean Ten Hag is bad at everything. Ten Hag was good in some parts, but he failed to reach the team's targets as expected.

Yes, of course, because of that, the new coach definitely needs time to adapt, and not only that, the players also need time to get used to their new coach, his tactics, and so on. And if what is said is true, at least, the players will not clash with the coach as often, as happened with Ten Hag at that time. But, well, indeed, once again, every coach may have his own approach.

The match I'm most looking forward to is this. I'm curious about how their performance will be here, Man United and also Man City, both are not in very good condition, especially Man City. They have their own challenges. Will Pep let his beloved club lose again this time to Man United? Well, I'm really curious.

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Quote from: Altryist on December 14, 2024, 08:04:21 AM

Quote from: Pokapoka124 on December 14, 2024, 06:59:46 AM

This is a good development from Manchester United. Marcus Rashford to me has been static, he has refused to develop and it's right for Manchester united to cash in on him. Ruben Amorim has to be ruthless with his players,if he wants to achieve success at the club, and he must sell underperforming players that receives huge wages to be able to free space and generate funds to buy players that will align with his vision.

Don't think that Rashford is the player who is the cause of all the troubles for Manchester United, they can of course sell him, but it will not change anything for the better, it will only slightly relieve the wage bill, but will deprive the team of one of the forwards. It would be better for Amorim to try to reveal Rashford's full potential, than to try to sell him so quickly, although if he has already made such a decision, it is clear that he will do it.

Manchester united's problem can not be attributed to just one player and that's a fact, it will be very wrong to do such, but all the same, it is also not a bad thing to select the underperforming players who have refused to improve and sell them, use the money realized to buy in better players..

It is true (like I said before) that we can't attribute all the problems Manchester united have been through and still going through, to one player, but then, the problem is as a result of the collective action of some players, it's not wrong to sell those players.

A time comes in a man's life when if you've done your best in trying to fix something or someone, you let go, most especially if that thing or persons is dragging you backward.

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Quote from: blue Snow on December 13, 2024, 07:04:57 PM

Liverpool are favored 74% to win tonight versus Fulham. There is nothing to doubt when we look at how they performed in this session. But, I heard the news some key players not be able to come for tonight's match due to injury, Conor Bradley, Ibrahima Konate, Kostas Tsimikas, and Mac Allister (accumulated yellow card) are absent to strengthen the squad.

I am confident that Liverpool will be winning their match today, Fulham is not a club that’s going to give Liverpool a difficult moment, even as some of their players won’t be playing in the match, Liverpool is still having a stronger squad. I am expecting the match to be an easy one for Liverpool and am expecting them to score at least two goals in the match. Liverpool are currently in the position where they won’t want to lose any match for now. They played a draw in their last match against Newcastle, in which they dropped points, and Chelsea which is in second position is getting closer to them, so they will want to get a complete point against Fulham today.

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Quote from: naira on December 14, 2024, 04:02:14 AM

Quote from: blue Snow on December 13, 2024, 07:04:57 PM

Liverpool are favored 74% to win tonight versus Fulham. There is nothing to doubt when we look at how they performed in this session. But, I heard the news some key players not be able to come for tonight's match due to injury, Conor Bradley, Ibrahima Konate, Kostas Tsimikas, and Mac Allister (accumulated yellow card) are absent to strengthen the squad. But, I am sure even they are not reinforced, Liverpool is still powerful to face Fulham, and I think there's no harm if you want to bet Liverpool win with 2 different goals or all in bet on Liverpool only. Liverpool will obviously reverse not good results from last week.

The final result will be very predictable, regardless of how ambitious Fulham is to hold Liverpool, but they can always escape to maximize the opportunity. Even though it must end with a narrow score. Arne Slot seems to be very allergic to defeat in both the EPL and UCL. Although Liverpool can really be defeated by Fulham, it does not worry Arne Slot at the top of the standings.

Liverpool are doing well currently but that doesn’t make them unbeatable, Fulham has also been a stubborn team recently and so they won’t be an easy win for Liverpool even though Liverpool have every advantage to win them. Liverpool have the home advantage and also the fact that they have won couple of big matches in their recent games means they are in top form and winning Fulham shouldn’t be much of a problem.
Liverpool cannot afford to drop any points just yet because the title race is still very much open despite leading with 5 points already and also with an outstanding game to play which could extend it to 7 points lead ahead of Chelsea. With any point dropped Chelsea will draw closer because of the form they are currently and their remaining games are not that strong.

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