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Quote from: yudi09 on November 16, 2024, 11:47:30 AM

Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 14, 2024, 03:29:54 PM

I saw this post on the Premier League’s official Instagram page. The caption was ‘so much cab change in a year’. At first I thought it was a roast at Manchester City since they were number 1 last season and now are struggling between games to keep their position at number 2 on the table. But more interesting is that Arsenal didn’t really change, they maintained the same spot. And Manchester United have dropped drastically this year, from 8th on the table last year to 13th on the table. Which other team caught your eye?

What I noticed was Nottingham Forest. A very striking sight occurred in the table standings 2023/24 - 2024/25. This is a good progress shown by Nottingham Forest.
Besides Nottingham Forest, Everton is also my concern. If Everton remains like now, maybe they are at the end of the season to fight not to be degraded.
For Liverpool, we always monitor it. The new season Arne Slot is happy but we don't expect much to him.

The performance of the English league teams is quite interesting to see when entering the current international break, although there are still many possibilities for changes to occur after the league resumes, but so far Nottingham is the team that has surprised us the most with their improved performance, they has now shown that they can compete with big teams in the top 4 zone although I doubt if they can be consistent until the end of the season.

Everton, on the other hand, have not changed and learned from the experience of last season, this season they are back to a slow start to the league and if that continues then it seems that the luck to avoid relegation like last season will be difficult for us to see.

Liverpool have shown that the change of coach has actually given them a positive impact, previously many doubted that Slot could bring Liverpool better than Klopp this season, but in the meantime they are able to lead the EPL and also UCL.

While for Arsenal, Manchester City and Aston Villa, it looks like this season they won't be able to repeat what they achieved last season, apart from a significant drop in their consistency at the moment, I think player injuries will be the main factor that prevents them from being better than last season.

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Quote from: hyudien on November 16, 2024, 07:52:07 AM

For Arsenal it has become their habit to return with declining performance, even this season is too fast compared to last season. Arteta has fought hard to give his best but unfortunately the mental problems of the players at Arsenal prove that his players are not so inspired by the champion mentality. Arsenal repeats the momentum that is not much different every season where at the beginning of the season they insist on performing optimally and slipping at the end, everything becomes more interesting when Liverpool returns to the hunt for the championship title.

Arsenal have be unable to accompany anything tangible for their self and after the much struggling they are still unable to win the premier league trophy, everything looks faster than last season and no one expected to see arsenal like this especially their fans and I pity them because with all there confidence of winning the premier league we still have not seen the title in their hand, it is just has if arsenal and is fans are dreaming and the earlier they wake up from that dream because arsenal have been dreaming from a very long time and they will find it hard to bring it to reality, because they keep doing the same thing every season so their is no hope for arsenal again especially for this season.

Arsenal have been on a chase for a long time and I can say fully say that this is the worst season for them and they are struggling really hard, and even the red card affected them a lot and the pattern that arteta came with also reduced their performance.

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Quote from: mamesso on November 16, 2024, 09:02:30 AM

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 14, 2024, 03:29:54 PM

I saw this post on the Premier League’s official Instagram page. The caption was ‘so much cab change in a year’. At first I thought it was a roast at Manchester City since they were number 1 last season and now are struggling between games to keep their position at number 2 on the table. But more interesting is that Arsenal didn’t really change, they maintained the same spot. And Manchester United have dropped drastically this year, from 8th on the table last year to 13th on the table. Which other team caught your eye?

For Arsenal it has become their habit to return with declining performance, even this season is too fast compared to last season. Arteta has fought hard to give his best but unfortunately the mental problems of the players at Arsenal prove that his players are not so inspired by the champion mentality. Arsenal repeats the momentum that is not much different every season where at the beginning of the season they insist on performing optimally and slipping at the end, everything becomes more interesting when Liverpool returns to the hunt for the championship title.

This season, Arsenal's illness has relapsed more quickly than expected, Arsenal has started to lag behind Liverpool who currently still dominate the standings. The performance is very different from the previous two seasons, even though Arsenal were very active in the transfer market last summer, but it did not help much. I also think Arsenal's declining performance is due to mental factors, even though Arteta has fought hard to make Arsenal a team capable of maintaining competition in the title race, but they always fail at the end of the season. This time their target is very far from expectations, at least they must try to finish in the top four so they can appear in the UCL next season.

At this moment, I am not happy with Arsenal as their performances have dropped this season. I was expecting Arsenal to be in greater form than the last two seasons and to try to win the Premier League this season because of more signings. However, with the results they are getting, their chances of winning the Premier League title this season are decreasing as Liverpool continues to increase the points gap between them.

This season should have been a great one for Arsenal, as Manchester City is not in great form. Manchester City has been their biggest problem over the past two seasons, and now that City is not in top form, Arsenal is also messing up and still seems likely to miss this great opportunity. Arsenal needs to be serious; otherwise, it is possible they may not even end up in the top four, especially since other teams are currently so serious.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 14, 2024, 03:29:54 PM

I saw this post on the Premier League’s official Instagram page. The caption was ‘so much cab change in a year’. At first I thought it was a roast at Manchester City since they were number 1 last season and now are struggling between games to keep their position at number 2 on the table. But more interesting is that Arsenal didn’t really change, they maintained the same spot. And Manchester United have dropped drastically this year, from 8th on the table last year to 13th on the table. Which other team caught your eye?

What I noticed was Nottingham Forest. A very striking sight occurred in the table standings 2023/24 - 2024/25. This is a good progress shown by Nottingham Forest.
Besides Nottingham Forest, Everton is also my concern. If Everton remains like now, maybe they are at the end of the season to fight not to be degraded.
For Liverpool, we always monitor it. The new season Arne Slot is happy but we don't expect much to him.

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Quote from: MAAManda on November 16, 2024, 08:53:06 AM

Quote from: Velvet78 on November 15, 2024, 02:55:22 PM

Anyways, every team get out of form sometimes. I'm curious about whether Guardiola will still win the league title another time despite these hard times. What do you think, Liverpool or Manchester City? Huh

I've been watching PL for a long time now and it seems to have its own patterns. Any team that plays dominantly until the middle of the season has a very good chance of winning the league title. Based on the current case study in the PL standings, I personally think Liverpool has a better chance of winning. BTW, talking about the standings, why is no one talking about Nottingham Forest? They have been great so far.

Yes, about the team that has better results than other teams until mid-season, then that team will have a very good chance of getting the trophy. So yes, I will also be able to admit that Liverpool have a chance to get the trophy this season, and also be the first season for Arne Slot with impressive success. About Nottingham, I think a few days ago at least I saw someone discussing Nottingham.

But the point is, as far as I'm concerned the underdogs won't be able to maintain their position in the best position in the table. Because at least, basically they don't have the same good squad depth and thus, it would be possible for them to then decline. But at least, although Nottingham managed to finish in the top zone of the table, but to finish in the top four I think it will still be difficult for Nottingham.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on November 16, 2024, 10:39:16 AM

I'm really satisfied with seeing Chelsea in 3rd place for now. Because I have really missed to see them being more competitive in the PL. However I can't say they have been doing pretty good on the recent weeks. 3 draws and 1 lose in the last 5 games... Sad

This is really worrying as a Chelsea fan here.

All of those games were tough ones though. But you just can't make an excuse for those poor results anyway. It looks like they still struggle in big games which keeps them away from the PL title race.

Chelsea have really had a tough time in their last 5 games, and the most unfortunate thing is that they failed to get full points when they played against Nottingham Forest. I know that Nottingham Forest have been quite impressive so far, but Chelsea have the advantage of playing at home in that match. If only they had better effectiveness I think they would have won that match.

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Quote from: MAAManda on November 16, 2024, 08:53:06 AM

BTW, talking about the standings, why is no one talking about Nottingham Forest? They have been great so far.

I'm also surprised with that. Nottingham are like reborn these days. This performance is promising for a European competition ticket but I know it is still early to talk about such things.

I have no idea how long they will be able to maintain their good run, but what is clear is that they really know how to surprise. Forest not only managed to hold Chelsea to a draw, but they also managed to beat Liverpool, even though Liverpool was playing at home in that match.

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I'm really satisfied with seeing Chelsea in 3rd place for now. Because I have really missed to see them being more competitive in the PL. However I can't say they have been doing pretty good on the recent weeks. 3 draws and 1 lose in the last 5 games... Sad

This is really worrying as a Chelsea fan here.

All of those games were tough ones though. But you just can't make an excuse for those poor results anyway. It looks like they still struggle in big games which keeps them away from the PL title race.

Quote from: MAAManda on November 16, 2024, 08:53:06 AM

BTW, talking about the standings, why is no one talking about Nottingham Forest? They have been great so far.

I'm also surprised with that. Nottingham are like reborn these days. This performance is promising for a European competition ticket but I know it is still early to talk about such things.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on November 16, 2024, 08:30:39 AM

At this point I think Arsenal are just contenders for the top 4 finish. And if they continue with this type of pattern then even the top 4 will not even be guaranteed again. Arsenal fans will be very sad to see their team lose another trophy race this season. I think the fans should have gotten used to the disappointments. Arsenal to me hasn't really made any significant progress they have just been circling around all this years in the Premier League. They haven't really showed that they have what it takes to compete at the highest level in both EPL and the UCL respectively.

I also agree with you, it seems that Arsenal's hopes of competing for the EPL trophy can be said to have failed considering Arsenal's performance is back in the spotlight after they failed to show their best performance which resulted in them being nine points behind the first rank, maybe their target this season is to be in the top 4. Liverpool this season is very strong, if they can be consistent they can win the trophy from Man City this season especially Man City is having serious problems after experiencing four consecutive defeats.

Arsenal's poor performance record due to the effectiveness of the attack seems to be a big problem for the arena, although they create many opportunities but Arsenal sometimes cannot make the most of their opportunities and instead have difficulty scoring goals at the end of the match. Actually if you think about it Arteta never learns from his mistakes, From last season the problem is still the same which is needing a pure striker. But what can you do, every time the player transfer is opened Arteta never seriously looks at the striker.

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Quote from: hyudien on November 16, 2024, 07:52:07 AM

Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 14, 2024, 03:29:54 PM

I saw this post on the Premier League’s official Instagram page. The caption was ‘so much cab change in a year’. At first I thought it was a roast at Manchester City since they were number 1 last season and now are struggling between games to keep their position at number 2 on the table. But more interesting is that Arsenal didn’t really change, they maintained the same spot. And Manchester United have dropped drastically this year, from 8th on the table last year to 13th on the table. Which other team caught your eye?

For Arsenal it has become their habit to return with declining performance, even this season is too fast compared to last season. Arteta has fought hard to give his best but unfortunately the mental problems of the players at Arsenal prove that his players are not so inspired by the champion mentality. Arsenal repeats the momentum that is not much different every season where at the beginning of the season they insist on performing optimally and slipping at the end, everything becomes more interesting when Liverpool returns to the hunt for the championship title.

This season, Arsenal's illness has relapsed more quickly than expected, Arsenal has started to lag behind Liverpool who currently still dominate the standings. The performance is very different from the previous two seasons, even though Arsenal were very active in the transfer market last summer, but it did not help much. I also think Arsenal's declining performance is due to mental factors, even though Arteta has fought hard to make Arsenal a team capable of maintaining competition in the title race, but they always fail at the end of the season. This time their target is very far from expectations, at least they must try to finish in the top four so they can appear in the UCL next season.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 15, 2024, 02:55:22 PM

Anyways, every team get out of form sometimes. I'm curious about whether Guardiola will still win the league title another time despite these hard times. What do you think, Liverpool or Manchester City? Huh

I've been watching PL for a long time now and it seems to have its own patterns. Any team that plays dominantly until the middle of the season has a very good chance of winning the league title. Based on the current case study in the PL standings, I personally think Liverpool has a better chance of winning. BTW, talking about the standings, why is no one talking about Nottingham Forest? They have been great so far.

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Quote from: tusandii on November 16, 2024, 04:23:57 AM

Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 14, 2024, 03:29:54 PM

I saw this post on the Premier League’s official Instagram page. The caption was ‘so much cab change in a year’. At first I thought it was a roast at Manchester City since they were number 1 last season and now are struggling between games to keep their position at number 2 on the table. But more interesting is that Arsenal didn’t really change, they maintained the same spot. And Manchester United have dropped drastically this year, from 8th on the table last year to 13th on the table. Which other team caught your eye?

In my opinion, Man City's performance in the 11 matches they have played so far cannot be said to have decreased drastically because they are still in 2nd place and maybe sooner or later they will soon catch up with Liverpool, besides the performance of Man City and Arsenal, there are Chelsea and Notthingham Forest who have caught my attention at this time because they have made rapid progress even though they have only played 11 matches so far and there is also Tottenham Hotspur who have actually experienced a drastic decline this season, last season they were in 2nd place now they are in 10th place.

Nothing always goes smoothly for every team, and Manchester City may be in a slump right now, but things will improve soon as it happens to all teams. And as we know many Manchester City players are injured which makes them decline, but I don't believe that because Manchester City always have good backup players and also have almost the same quality if there are good players who are injured. It is true what you said Manchester City are still in second place in the standings and that is a good thing, and if Manchester City make changes they will be far behind Liverpool who are currently in good form and are at the top of the standings, and being 5 points behind is not an easy thing for Manchester City especially if Liverpool can maintain or improve their performance.
And for me among the others, the most surprising one is Notthingham Forest and this is a dark horse to watch out for.

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Quote from: Baki202 on November 15, 2024, 01:02:07 PM

Arsenal winning the premier league trophy is now like the camel entering the eye of a needle that shows that it is very impossible for them to actually win, no one will even argue that arsenal is not strong but it's as if their faith is to be among a partner position and they are finding it very hard to win anything after all the effort they put in is now that they want to get serious to win the trophy, instead of arsenal going for defender they would have just focus on getting strikers for the club, and even aside buying strikers they should have strikers from the academy why not select from there or arteta feels that they are incompetent and he would have just given them the benefit of doubt.

For years now arsenal have been struggling forget the fact that I don't like them they will even try everything but it is not worth it at the end of the day one boy thay I enjoy is football is not more than saka if he can get a support then arsenal might get better, they need a lot of arrangements for them to be able to bring arsenal back to its form.

At this point I think Arsenal are just contenders for the top 4 finish. And if they continue with this type of pattern then even the top 4 will not even be guaranteed again. Arsenal fans will be very sad to see their team lose another trophy race this season. I think the fans should have gotten used to the disappointments. Arsenal to me hasn't really made any significant progress they have just been circling around all this years in the Premier League. They haven't really showed that they have what it takes to compete at the highest level in both EPL and the UCL respectively.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 14, 2024, 03:29:54 PM

I saw this post on the Premier League’s official Instagram page. The caption was ‘so much cab change in a year’. At first I thought it was a roast at Manchester City since they were number 1 last season and now are struggling between games to keep their position at number 2 on the table. But more interesting is that Arsenal didn’t really change, they maintained the same spot. And Manchester United have dropped drastically this year, from 8th on the table last year to 13th on the table. Which other team caught your eye?

For Arsenal it has become their habit to return with declining performance, even this season is too fast compared to last season. Arteta has fought hard to give his best but unfortunately the mental problems of the players at Arsenal prove that his players are not so inspired by the champion mentality. Arsenal repeats the momentum that is not much different every season where at the beginning of the season they insist on performing optimally and slipping at the end, everything becomes more interesting when Liverpool returns to the hunt for the championship title.

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Quote from: Rockstarguy on November 15, 2024, 11:36:37 AM

I think Arsenal not having that sharp striker could be the reason why they always fail to get the trophy. Manchester City has a very good striker like Haaland and scoring goals is not always difficult for him, in every match it is possible for him to score a goal. I think if Arsenal have good striker that have the same quality and strength of Haaland it will be very easy for arsenal to win Premier league.

The recent games of arsenal they struggle so much to score goal and I think it is even getting obvious that have not been able to maintain a good position in the league. Arsenal is a good team when it comes to performance but they are lacking something that's why they can't stand the strength of Manchester City.

They have Jesus, but it's clear that he is not enough at all, they need someone better. A technical striker is rarely a good sign for a premier league team, maybe if Jesus was at la liga, he could have done better, because technical strikers there make a lot of money and score bunch of goals. But here? At premier league? Better method would be focusing on higher strength, people like Haaland score a lot of goals because that is the type of striker that works for Premier league in general.

Obviously Arsenal can't find one right away, but I suggest Sorloth a few years back to them, imagine if they had Sorloth, they could have done better and he would have scored a lot more goals for them than Jesus ever could. The main reason why players like that make better results is because they can stay up, having power means you can stay up, technical players are brought down a lot more, and fouls are called a lot less here, so you need strong players.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 14, 2024, 03:29:54 PM

I saw this post on the Premier League’s official Instagram page. The caption was ‘so much cab change in a year’. At first I thought it was a roast at Manchester City since they were number 1 last season and now are struggling between games to keep their position at number 2 on the table. But more interesting is that Arsenal didn’t really change, they maintained the same spot. And Manchester United have dropped drastically this year, from 8th on the table last year to 13th on the table. Which other team caught your eye?

In my opinion, Man City's performance in the 11 matches they have played so far cannot be said to have decreased drastically because they are still in 2nd place and maybe sooner or later they will soon catch up with Liverpool, besides the performance of Man City and Arsenal, there are Chelsea and Notthingham Forest who have caught my attention at this time because they have made rapid progress even though they have only played 11 matches so far and there is also Tottenham Hotspur who have actually experienced a drastic decline this season, last season they were in 2nd place now they are in 10th place.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 15, 2024, 02:55:22 PM

Manchester City have been really disappointing recently. They lost their last 4 official games. This is really big for a team being called one of the strongest teams in the world. I can't say I'm sad for them in the Premier League though. Grin

Because I really want to see a different champion this year. Liverpool look really promising for that for now.

Anyways, every team get out of form sometimes. I'm curious about whether Guardiola will still win the league title another time despite these hard times. What do you think, Liverpool or Manchester City? Huh

Bro, we're still 27 games to come. I know, yeah, City's performance is really disappointing, but they can bounce back anytime. They have been so struggled to win PL since the last seasons, but they did it. Even bookies aren't loosing their hope on City as the odds still relatively small.

Manchester City has not yet losing their chance for the title race, and they're the only competent club to fight against Liverpool instead of Arsenal.

It's pretty hard to predict the winner caused by we have yet entered the mid season. If the gap is like 10 points+ between Liverpool and City, i'll take LFC as a winner, but if it's getting even thin, then i pick City.

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Quote from: dezoel on November 15, 2024, 03:14:51 PM

To be fair, when you compare it to last year, City isn't that far off, they were first and now they are second, so the yare still close to top like they used to. Liverpool was third and they even peaked at first for a while, and they are first now too. Arsenal is at the same place as well, so that is a good thing for them, shows them they have a chance to get higher as well.

The 5 point gap and 27 remaining matches clearly show that Man City still has a great chance to regain the top position in the standings. Liverpool cannot be said to be completely safe, although I support Liverpool but it still does not rule out the possibility of a threat towards the end of the season. The journey of the Premier League is still very long, anything can still happen. Chelsea who is currently in 3rd position also has the opportunity to pursue the first position, especially with the availability of players, Chelsea can prepare a replacement quickly at any time to maintain performance.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 15, 2024, 02:55:22 PM

Manchester City have been really disappointing recently. They lost their last 4 official games. This is really big for a team being called one of the strongest teams in the world. I can't say I'm sad for them in the Premier League though. Grin

Because I really want to see a different champion this year. Liverpool look really promising for that for now.

Anyways, every team get out of form sometimes. I'm curious about whether Guardiola will still win the league title another time despite these hard times. What do you think, Liverpool or Manchester City? Huh

Maybe it's too far away to guess who will be the champions for this session. But when we look at how Liverpool's performance at the beginning, of course I will bet for Liverpool to be champions for this session. Manchester City made the mistake of not being active on the summer windows transfer ago, so in that situation, they lacked player substitution when they had an injured player. This is a crucial thing to must fix it Asap, because when the team still continues like this on next year, probably they can not only compete for 1st position, but they will lose also on position on champion league zone.

And I think the problem will be resolved fast if management has a plan to recruit another player on winter windows transfer to fill up the weak position.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 15, 2024, 02:55:22 PM

Manchester City have been really disappointing recently. They lost their last 4 official games. This is really big for a team being called one of the strongest teams in the world. I can't say I'm sad for them in the Premier League though. Grin

Because I really want to see a different champion this year. Liverpool look really promising for that for now.

Anyways, every team get out of form sometimes. I'm curious about whether Guardiola will still win the league title another time despite these hard times. What do you think, Liverpool or Manchester City? Huh

For me personally, Manchester City still has a chance to get the trophy because after all, Pep Guardiola is a coach who is able to make his team rise quickly. But even so, I also expect Liverpool to get the Premier League trophy this season, because it will also make a great achievement for Arne Slot for his first season with extraordinary success. Because after all, so far this season also that Liverpool is also still very good in the Champion League and thus, then of course Liverpool deserves to get the trophy because it is part of the candidate team for the title this season.

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To be fair, when you compare it to last year, City isn't that far off, they were first and now they are second, so the yare still close to top like they used to. Liverpool was third and they even peaked at first for a while, and they are first now too. Arsenal is at the same place as well, so that is a good thing for them, shows them they have a chance to get higher as well.

Plenty of teams changed, but obviously United was the least expected one, that's the thing about United, even when they are bad, people do not really consider talking about other teams, look at how many teams in the world that are 13th and getting as much media attention as United, so that means they are expected to do better when the yare making this much money.

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