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Quote from: Slow death on October 12, 2024, 09:32:45 AM

Quote from: Oluwa-btc on October 11, 2024, 09:19:48 AM

Jose Mourinho never did what Erik Ten Hag did and lastly, Jose Mourinho's tactics for Manchester United was hell boring, outdated defensive strategy for Manchester United

Has Erik Ten Hag already won the Europa League as Manchester United manager? Well, how much money did each coach spend on Manchester United? Here are the numbers:

Erik Ten hag = £560million on new players

How much has Ten Hag spent on signings?

Mourinho = £360million on new players

I agree Mourinho’s style is not entertaining but I would not mind parking the bus and winning trophies. Ten Hag had the most financial backing from Manchester United hierarchy than any other manager. But Ten Hag and his fans refuse to admit that this manager has been given all the backing to make something out of this team but has failed woefully. Erik Ten Hag once said in an interview that Jose Mourinho is the only manager who has had the players he wanted since Sir Alex Ferguson. I think that statement from Ten Hag is hypocritical considering how much the club has spent bringing in players Ten Hag specifically wanted and has worked with in the past.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on October 12, 2024, 06:40:30 PM

Chelsea are really getting better and much better. They are doing very well, slowly but surely, last season's failure really taught them a lot. They are evaluating and improving it this season, at least this is a very good beginning for them in this season.

Cole Palmer's role?
exactly, no doubt.
best player of Chelsea right now.
This will continue to grow, and I just found out that he is this cool.

I hope he commits his performance until the last session because I was just a bit doubtful when I saw him play when Chelsea met Nottingham Forest a while ago, he is not like Palmer who created 4 goals when met Brighton. He didn't know what to do when he got ball, he was confused to shoot it or pass it to another player. It seems like he has stage fright because many people praise him and expecting to him like he was. So if he is the best, and want to continue as the best player on premier league, Palmer must show it at all events, don't just it once, but for all tournament for Chelsea. He should look at Haaland how that player always commits his performance on each match and tournament.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on October 12, 2024, 06:24:46 PM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 10, 2024, 12:44:07 PM

I really don't see any reason to keep Ten Hag on the team, I don't find any logical reasons, however, those who defend Ten Hag, I don't know why they do it, I understand his family and some of his friends, but the rest who are MU fans should do their part to ensure that MU wins and has good results. At this stage in life, a team should not be the victim of a coach who is in 13th place and says that they are the best team that has improved the most in the PL , that is something that doesn't make sense, I still don't understand what they are defending him for.

It’s not just Erik Ten Hag tactics that is the problem. His willingness to say things like this is a problem. The problem of Manchester United starts from the Glazers down to Ten Hag and to the players. Mediocrity has been accepted as the United standard, they are so far away from what the spirit of the team used to be. So if Manchester United are able to draw against a mid table team, that would be qualified as a good game for Manchester United.

It's not only that. Manchester United's coach, Ten hagm is often making wrong subs, and he has a terrible decision making as one of his main problem. He has made United's standard is dropping so hard now. And i think it's really unacceptable to see that a big club like this was always playing the game without tactic, clear pattern, good decision making on subs, and motivation.

And it's really unacceptable for me to see that the draw against a mid-table team is united's standard now.

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Quote from: Odusko on October 12, 2024, 03:52:14 PM

Chelsea have the potential of even fighting for the premier league title not just top four if they have consistency because Palmer is doing great work for the team, and Enzo Maresca is making great effort towards uniting the players, and he has started to get good results.

Chelsea are really getting better and much better. They are doing very well, slowly but surely, last season's failure really taught them a lot. They are evaluating and improving it this season, at least this is a very good beginning for them in this season.

Cole Palmer's role?
exactly, no doubt.
best player of Chelsea right now.
This will continue to grow, and I just found out that he is this cool.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 10, 2024, 12:44:07 PM

I really don't see any reason to keep Ten Hag on the team, I don't find any logical reasons, however, those who defend Ten Hag, I don't know why they do it, I understand his family and some of his friends, but the rest who are MU fans should do their part to ensure that MU wins and has good results. At this stage in life, a team should not be the victim of a coach who is in 13th place and says that they are the best team that has improved the most in the PL , that is something that doesn't make sense, I still don't understand what they are defending him for.

It’s not just Erik Ten Hag tactics that is the problem. His willingness to say things like this is a problem. The problem of Manchester United starts from the Glazers down to Ten Hag and to the players. Mediocrity has been accepted as the United standard, they are so far away from what the spirit of the team used to be. So if Manchester United are able to draw against a mid table team, that would be qualified as a good game for Manchester United.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 12, 2024, 11:49:46 AM

It feels really great to see a club different from Manchester City at the top of the standings. Roll Eyes

Liverpool lead it but Manchester City are still right behind by only 1 point.

I would never say it would be easy to compete The Citizens for the PL championship. Obviously they will still be a big challenge. But especially in Rodri's absence they can have more difficulties in that.

Manchester City's pattern is being noticed in the premier league, they are facing some current difficulties due to injury of some of their key players Rodri, and Kevin De Bruyne. These players are almost the moving factor of the team, they are the main players that has been leading the team to glory, and without them, the team is not as good as they used to be which we have started seen since they both get injured Manchester City has started to drop points even though they are yet to lose any match.

Liverpool is trying under Arne Slot, the team is performing very great, we are forgetting that Jurgen Klopp left the team because their playing pattern remain unchanged and the players are happy with the new manager. If they can be consistent, they can be a great obstacle tp Arsenal and Manchester City in the title race.

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But the club I want to see at the top the most is Chelsea.

As a fan of them in this league, I hope they can keep this up. Palmer is great but still they need the whole club for success. I hope to see top 4 finish at least.

Chelsea have the potential of even fighting for the premier league title not just top four if they have consistency because Palmer is doing great work for the team, and Enzo Maresca is making great effort towards uniting the players, and he has started to get good results.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on October 11, 2024, 11:56:50 AM

I'm really impressed with Chelsea's performance this season.

After that manager replacement in an unexpected moment, I was really wondering what they were going to do with Enzo Maresca.

What do you say about their chance?

I'm no blue fan honestly but, so far so good, I can say that they've kicked off the season nicely and I hope to see them end well if they're having suchba great start under Enzo Maresca. He knows what it means to win a trophy and I'm sure that trophy with Leicester City wouldn't be his last. Chelsea has a good record when it comes to Italian managers and I'm certain Enzo Maresca wouldn't be the last Italian that'll succeed with this club. They have a good chance of qualifying for the Champions League Competition and also winning a trophy this very season. But they need to know they're not so solid in defense and getting a CF should be mandatory.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on October 10, 2024, 06:53:03 PM

Who knows if Erik Ten Hang has a secret deal with Manchester United management. I say this because of the audacity he uses to approach the media after every poor performance he gives out weekly. He is so subjective and threats the Manchester United matter as if it is his personal affair or like he owes 35% share in the coy. I will be looking up to the day he will be sacked. I will want to know his statement that day.

Erik Ten Hag is who the ownership want. All that money spent and no progress has made since the season started. Erik Ten Hag’s attitude irritates me, Manchester United shouldn’t be happy with the draw to Aston Villa. Ten Hag has successfully manipulated United fans into accepting the mediocrity of mid level performance. Manchester United are not thinking of winning the Premier League or the Champions League again. It's a losers mentality and it won’t change with Ten Hag managing the club.

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We are witnessing once again how important Diaz and Salah for Liverpool now. As you can remember, they both were rumoured to leave last summer. Can you imagine both of them leaving at the same time?

I mean of course there isn't such thing as Liverpool can't fill their places. But they are both serious goal sources at the moment. Sad

Nunez still can't contribute at a good level. Since he joined Liverpool from Benfica, something has started to went wrong. It doesn't look like he belongs with Liverpool. If one of these trio will leave the team, I would put him to the top. No offense... But he just can't improve man.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on October 12, 2024, 07:32:27 AM

Under Enzo Maresca, Chelsea are showing signs that they may soon be able to compete at the top level again. Chelsea have started the season well and are playing well against the good teams in the league. I think the key to cracking the code for Chelsea is signing Victor Osimhen. Nicolas Jackson performance has been mid this season, they need a striker that can score multiple goals in a single match. That addition combined with Cold Palmer and Madueke will prove to be troublesome for opponents.

Chelsea have shown remarkable improvement and I can saw that Enzo Maresca have done a wonderful job in the club. The current team of Chelsea can face any of the top team and give them very tough fight. If they even meet Manchest City or Liverpool, it will be a fight to finish because at present, Chelsea is on fire. I love how they are scoring now even though they still have a lot of work to do at the defense because they also concede too easily. I believe that Chelsea is going through a fine process that will produce a fine team.

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Quote from: HajiBagi on October 12, 2024, 12:23:53 PM

From my observation, this season is going to be different because I'm not sure that Manchester City will win the league title this season, Manchester City without Rodri is a team that can not defeat every opponent especially big teams like Arsenal and Liverpool, even Chelsea I don't think Manchester City will defeat arsenal in their next match become of Rodri, I know Manchester City have player's that can play the position but Rodri is different from them and we can see that from Manchester city that the absent of Rodri is affecting the team performance.

We all know that losing Rodri who is currently absent is very worrying. But he is not everything because there are still some players who are able to be relied on. Here I am not underestimating Rodri performance, but we also have to think more positively because Man City is a strong team and has a very reliable coach. So losing 1 absent player will not make Man City worse.
In fact, Man City performance still looks consistent and most importantly, Man City still has great attacking players and is able to score so as not to lose points.
Don't worry, because Guardiola knows what he has to do for the future of Man City.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 12, 2024, 11:49:46 AM

It feels really great to see a club different from Manchester City at the top of the standings. Roll Eyes

Liverpool lead it but Manchester City are still right behind by only 1 point.

I would never say it would be easy to compete The Citizens for the PL championship. Obviously they will still be a big challenge. But especially in Rodri's absence they can have more difficulties in that.

The competition in the Premier League this season is very interesting, because several teams managed to be at the top of the standings with a very small point difference, although currently Liverpool is at the top of the Premier League standings and they look quite strong but I think their position at the top of the standings is still very insecure at the moment, especially Manchester City is still a team that has always been a big threat to the team challenging for the English league title, although without Rodri, I think Manchester City should can not to underestimated, because they still have other players like Gundogan and Kovacic who can cover the hole Rodri left at the moment.

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But the club I want to see at the top the most is Chelsea.

As a fan of them in this league, I hope they can keep this up. Palmer is great but still they need the whole club for success. I hope to see top 4 finish at least.

If we talk about Chelsea, I think your team still has a great chance to be at the top of the standings later, because indeed the depth of the squad, their consistency and performance have started to increase drastically this season, but I think, strategy from coach when facing a big team is also an important factor to be able to be a challenger for the Premier League title and against Liverpool next week will be one of the proofs from Enzo Maresca.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 12, 2024, 11:49:46 AM

It feels really great to see a club different from Manchester City at the top of the standings. Roll Eyes

Liverpool lead it but Manchester City are still right behind by only 1 point.

I would never say it would be easy to compete The Citizens for the PL championship. Obviously they will still be a big challenge. But especially in Rodri's absence they can have more difficulties in that.

But the club I want to see at the top the most is Chelsea.

As a fan of them in this league, I hope they can keep this up. Palmer is great but still they need the whole club for success. I hope to see top 4 finish at least.

From my observation, this season is going to be different because I'm not sure that Manchester City will win the league title this season, Manchester City without Rodri is a team that can not defeat every opponent especially big teams like Arsenal and Liverpool, even Chelsea I don't think Manchester City will defeat arsenal in their next match become of Rodri, I know Manchester City have player's that can play the position but Rodri is different from them and we can see that from Manchester city that the absent of Rodri is affecting the team performance.

And about Chelsea being at the top of the league table I don't think that will happen, Chelsea still has a lot to do, Chelsea has not played against any big teams like Arsenal and Liverpool, and if Chelsea plays against Arsenal or Liverpool they will defeat Chelsea because they are playing well more than Chelsea, Chelsea can't be at the top but I believe they can be at the fourth position at the end of the season but it will depend on their performance.

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Quote from: Adams0001 on October 12, 2024, 12:12:07 PM

If they continue to lose, they will undoubtedly change the manager and bring in a new one, because Manchester United has vital players in the team; it is only that the manager does not know how to play them on the pitch. Manchester United, unlike Chelsea, does not change coaches frequently. Erik Ten Hag was given the opportunity to improve the team, but he has yet to do so. The club is still failing to score and progress up the league table. Since the league has not progressed far, they can step up and do well in the league. Chelsea that I believe will not do well this season but they are the best now currently and if they can continue like this, they will achieve their goal and win the league title, because I believe Manchester City will not win the Premier League this season because they are not like last season, and Guadiola is missing some players and is considering what they can do without them this season in the league.

Manchester United have shown no signs of progress yet Erik Ten Hag’s job has not been threatened. I don’t think anything will change now. Manchester United have made up their mind to stick with Erik Ten Hag and trust the process. I don’t blame them, after spending £560million on the transfer market to sign new players Erik Ten Hag wanted, they would not want to sack him and have to overhaul the team when a new manager comes in. I think in this case Manchester United bosses are putting the financial burden first before the team progression in competitions.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on October 12, 2024, 09:27:04 AM

Chelsea are of course still far from their best times. They need to have an impressive full season at first. They should be in the title rivalry. When that happens I can believe in them for real. Otherwise it would be too early.

But I must admit a fact here of course. They have started the season great. While everyone was wondering what was going to happen after such a hasty decision on Pochettino, they surprised many of us.

Palmer is an incredible player and I don't even know how much longer I will continue to say this. As long as Chelsea keeps him I will have bigger hopes from them. If they lose him early then it would be a big disappointment.

Compare to the first season Tad Bohuly take charge as the new Chelsea owner, this is one of the seasons that Chelsea fans will be proud of because they are having a fantastic performance, and if you also consider their performances under Tuchel, Graham Pottrer, Frank Lampard, and Pochettinho, this can be said that it is the best time the team is having a good say in the Premier League.
Enzo Maresca is doing great job as Chelsea manager, he is given the players all the confidence they need, and he is motivating them as well.

It is actually to early to judge Chelsea’s performance or to rank them among the best teams in the EPL, but we must said the truth about the transformation going on in the team right now, Enzo and Cole Palmer are having a great season, and Chelsea’s now becoming more competitive than it was in the last two seasons.

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Who knows if Erik Ten Hang has a secret deal with Manchester United management. I say this because of the audacity he uses to approach the media after every poor performance he gives out weekly. He is so subjective and threats the Manchester United matter as if it is his personal affair or like he owes 35% share in the coy. I will be looking up to the day he will be sacked. I will want to know his statement that day.

Ten Hag very optimistic attitude about remaining Manchester United manager raises big questions, especially after the board of directors met for 6 hours and no decision was made that could burden Ten Hag. It is only natural that negative assumptions arise such as a special relationship or secret agreement between him and the management because his position seems untouchable even though Manchester United performance is getting worse. It is very interesting to follow Ten Hag's development at Manchester United, how strong the management is in facing pressure from external parties such as fans who continue to push for the dismissal of the coach who is considered incompetent in handling the club.

I would say to Manchester United that if their club gets worse they will realize that they need to change their manager. Why can't the United management understand that if their club is handed over to another manager then the performance of the team will definitely change. The simple fact is they are too late to understand, if it was the case that Manchester United don't have good quality players then maybe there would be no chance to blame the manager but Manchester United have many good quality players but still Manchester United can't do well with these players. But if a manager is not tactical, he cannot plan well against the opposition, as we are seeing now in the case of Manchester United.

If they continue to lose, they will undoubtedly change the manager and bring in a new one, because Manchester United has vital players in the team; it is only that the manager does not know how to play them on the pitch. Manchester United, unlike Chelsea, does not change coaches frequently. Erik Ten Hag was given the opportunity to improve the team, but he has yet to do so. The club is still failing to score and progress up the league table. Since the league has not progressed far, they can step up and do well in the league. Chelsea that I believe will not do well this season but they are the best now currently and if they can continue like this, they will achieve their goal and win the league title, because I believe Manchester City will not win the Premier League this season because they are not like last season, and Guadiola is missing some players and is considering what they can do without them this season in the league.

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I think Chelsea is still far from the era of Lampard, Drogba and Terry. I agree Enzo Maresca has done a very good job. Chelsea is in impressive form at the moment. They have managed to fix their mistakes from last season. But honestly I still doubt Chelsea will be a title contender at least this season. City and Arsenal are still dominating and I still can't put Liverpool or Chelsea as part of them. At least I will wait until half a season. If Chelsea can continue to be consistent like Aston Villa last season I think we deserve to put Chelsea as one of the title contenders.

It's disrespectful to compare the Chelsea of today with Palmer, Jackson, Nkuku and the Chelsea of Lampard, Drogba and Terry era. For clarity sake, we can not deny their improvement as compared to last season but it doesn't make any sense raining praises on them or even see them as tittle contender already. In fact, I will even rate Liverpool ahead of Chelsea when we are talking about tittle. The recent results is just like a game of chance and even the least expect team can be ahead of a serious team but we can identify who is who when the season is halfway. Only then, I will change my stance on Chelsea if they still manage to maintain the present form until then. For now, they are still average team with average and overrated squad.

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The players from that era were built different. The likes of Didier Drogba, Terry, and Lampard were beasts on the pitch. When I watch their podcasts and interviews now, you can see that their mentality was very different. You can’t compare that team with the current Chelsea squad. To crown it all, they had the Special One, Jose Mourinho leading the charge. Chelsea were formidable in that time, a lot of Nigerians became Chelsea fans in that era and have been faithful ever since.

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It feels really great to see a club different from Manchester City at the top of the standings. Roll Eyes

Liverpool lead it but Manchester City are still right behind by only 1 point.

I would never say it would be easy to compete The Citizens for the PL championship. Obviously they will still be a big challenge. But especially in Rodri's absence they can have more difficulties in that.

But the club I want to see at the top the most is Chelsea.

As a fan of them in this league, I hope they can keep this up. Palmer is great but still they need the whole club for success. I hope to see top 4 finish at least.

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Chelsea is one team that are on the top of their game this EPL season, something that if we're to compare their performance of the immediate past season where every club in the EPL was eager to meet Chelsea because of how confident they were to to beating Chelsea and getting the three points, and as a Chelsea fan it was very horrible experience. To this end, this season I doubt any club is that yearning to meet with the blues because there has been a massive improvement with the team playing style, the attacking front is now a threat to any team be it against Manchester City or Arsenal. Enzo Maresca is actually doing a great project and it's gonna be mind-blowing when Chelsea comes back much stronger to becoming the title contenders again as it were in the days of Didier Drogba, Frank lampard, Ramires etc. For now I do believe they are still in the blocks building process...

I have really enjoyed Chelsea so far this season, unlike last season that wasn't too good for them. Like I have always said, this current team needs time, and it's gradually paying off. But I won't be too quick to compare them with those 3 ruthless teams that are seated above Chelsea on the table. City already faced Chelsea at the beginning of the season, and we all knew how that went. I think they will be facing Liverpool next, then arsenal. No doubt, they've been great so far, but when a team has specific goal scorers, then it might be a problem especially when they face another good side. From the Chelsea squad, we can easily pick players who score for them often, because they are few, unlike teams like City and Arsenal where any of the players can score.

But I feel if they continue with this fine form, and most especially try to adapt without key players like palmer, then they will definitely finish the season in top four, except they choose to fall asleep towards the end of the season, leaving the slot open for Villa who happens to be another very good side.

Actually you can't really predict what's going to happen before the season come to an end, rather you can only wish for the best for your preferred club because there are lots of factors that could influence or impact a team that has been performing very well, for example some teams always get off to a very poor start in beginning of season and later begin to adjust as the season progresses and try to recoup much to cover up their losses while some other teams begin to decline due to factors like injuries, fatigue due international break, introduction of a new manager and change in strategy, these and many more could also have a negative impact on a team. But trying to adapt without a key player in a team setting could be disastrous as well as very healthy because it will enhance the team's morale in the absence of that key player but also disastrous in the sense the player may start loosing his self esteem seeing that his team could do better without him which is a two way thing. However, let see what makes of the season eventually.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on October 12, 2024, 09:27:04 AM

Chelsea are of course still far from their best times. They need to have an impressive full season at first. They should be in the title rivalry. When that happens I can believe in them for real. Otherwise it would be too early.

But I must admit a fact here of course. They have started the season great. While everyone was wondering what was going to happen after such a hasty decision on Pochettino, they surprised many of us.

Palmer is an incredible player and I don't even know how much longer I will continue to say this. As long as Chelsea keeps him I will have bigger hopes from them. If they lose him early then it would be a big disappointment.

The first step that Chelsea can take is to continue to maintain a position that is at least in the top 4 of the Premier League standings. Although the season is still long, they have started it well. Regarding the competition for the Premier League title, it might be quite tough. But for the Europa Conference League, Chelsea should have a chance. Palmer is indeed very good. He deserves to be maintained in Chelsea's plans. But I think the performance of other players has also improved. This might be in accordance with the playing character expected by the coach.

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