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Quote from: len01 on November 13, 2024, 04:52:40 AM

There is no guarantee that Arteta departure will bring success to Arsenal. And if it's about success, I admit Arteta will be successful with another team. But are you sure Arsenal will be successful after Arteta leaves the team?
We can see how long it took Guardiola to succeed with Man City in the UCL and this can be a simple example that Arteta currently seems to have failed to bring Arsenal a trophy. But in the coming season or this season, we don't know what will happen.
Even though I don't like Arsenal, the opinion about his departure is not something wise.

Pep only need a year to make Manchester City to win streak in Premier League, while Arteta have joined Arsenal for 5 years, but proved nothing. Tongue

Even Arteta no longer being an Arsenal's manager, both Arsenal with new manager and Arteta with new team will not be successful because both of them can only become second best in top league.

Oh Arteta can get trophy, but he should manage in farmer league like Ligue 1 or small league.

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Quote from: yudi09 on November 13, 2024, 06:13:58 AM

Manchester City's chances of competing to win the top position of the standings that we are currently sitting on but as you say that it is not easy or difficult.
Liverpool will try to be consistent with hard work so far because the slot is aware that Manchester City is still burning from behind.

Last season we saw something like that with Arsenal. Man City took Arsenal's consistency all season long towards the end of the season. I don't expect that to happen to Liverpool, they look pretty strong at the moment. Maintaining consistency throughout the season is not easy. But I think it would be more interesting if the competition was indeed followed by 2-3 teams currently at the top. I hope Liverpool can stay at the top longer and maintain their game. Man City will be the team that works hard to catch up on the points.

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Quote from: Hanadawa on November 11, 2024, 09:41:22 PM

There is a possibility that City cannot defend their title this season because of their performance. This is the first time after several seasons that they have more than 3 consecutive defeats. Rodri's absence has a significant impact on City's game. This shows that Rodri is an important player in City after De Bruyne. Of course Pep will try to find some players in this transfer market. They can't just rely on one player like Rodri or KDB. And talking about the title, I think City will have a hard time defending it but they can still finish in second or third place. Other teams like Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea should be able to take advantage of this moment to get some points advantage over City. Because with the current number of points City still has a chance to become champions again.

That would be quite shocking really, and nobody expected that at the start of the season so I would say that would be something not really expected by anyone. City definitely hurts big time right now with Rodri missing, he played a very crucial role, that is why he won the award as well, but they are not really made up of just one player are they, they should be able to keep winning even without him.

I would understand if they were missing bunch of players, but they shouldn't crumble like this just because the yare missing only one player. In the end, we should still not really consider them having this kind of issue all that quickly, things aren't always this easy, they shouldn't be getting this much bad heat. I believe they are going to do fine, they should be doing fine, and I believe we are talking about something that shouldn't really be a big deal at all, they should be able to fix this and do better and get back on the horse again.

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Quote from: hahay on November 12, 2024, 04:03:19 PM

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As a great team, they did not lose just because one player was absent and I think it's very funny, how can they assume when a team that has great dominance from season to season and then loses but many assume this defeat is only because of the absence of one player. For me, a result like this is still possible to be a reasonable result, because from previous seasons when Manchester City won the trophy, in fact Manchester City also experienced several defeats. But indeed, in previous seasons Manchester City did not get consecutive defeats like this time.

It is intended if some parties consider the defeat of the team like Manchester City because of the absence of players who play a big role every time the team wins. I myself also did not judge the defeat as experienced by Manchester City because of these factors. It feels too much considering football is not individual sport but a team.

Manchester City's chances of competing to win the top position of the standings that we are currently sitting on but as you say that it is not easy or difficult.
Liverpool will try to be consistent with hard work so far because the slot is aware that Manchester City is still burning from behind.

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Quote from: HajiBagi on November 13, 2024, 03:13:51 AM

If I were Arteta I would leave the team after this season if Arsenal did not win the league title this season, Arteta has tried his best to make sure Arsenal won the league but he did not succeed, the reason why I said it would be good if Arteta leaves the team is that as a coach if you do not succeed in a team there is a team that you will succeed in, Arsenal fans are beginning to doubt Arteta because he has spent four years in the team and the team has not win league trophy.

There is no guarantee that Arteta departure will bring success to Arsenal. And if it's about success, I admit Arteta will be successful with another team. But are you sure Arsenal will be successful after Arteta leaves the team?
We can see how long it took Guardiola to succeed with Man City in the UCL and this can be a simple example that Arteta currently seems to have failed to bring Arsenal a trophy. But in the coming season or this season, we don't know what will happen.
Even though I don't like Arsenal, the opinion about his departure is not something wise.

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Quote from: Stablexcoin on November 12, 2024, 04:17:31 PM

Arsenal head coach Mikel Arteta has set to meet with the owners of Arsenal the Kroenke family. Of which the agenda is to make preparations for the 2025 January signings of player in other to win the league. Pressure has been on Arteta's side because if Liverpool wins the league Arsenal's fans will take bad against him and he might lose his place as Arsenal coach. The club is becoming serious to get a strikers and more better players for the team to win the league this season.

The attention of the Kroenke family was drawn to the need for a new striker, winger to replace Saka, another goal keeper and a creative midfielder like Martin Odegard whose absent after an ankle injury affected the team so badly.

If I were Arteta I would leave the team after this season if Arsenal did not win the league title this season, Arteta has tried his best to make sure Arsenal won the league but he did not succeed, the reason why I said it would be good if Arteta leaves the team is that as a coach if you do not succeed in a team there is a team that you will succeed in, Arsenal fans are beginning to doubt Arteta because he has spent four years in the team and the team has not win league trophy.

Arsenal is among the top teams that made a good signing this season and still, they are having a bad performance, although some people will say that injuries and some red cards are the ones that affect Arsenal this season if we look at Arsenal team the team looks like a team that is not strong enough to play against Strong opponents, Klopp leaves Liverpool when he started seeing some fans are not happy with him and I wish if Arteta do the same so that he will not be sack when his contract does not end.

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Quote from: tusandii on November 12, 2024, 04:27:37 AM

Aston Villa under the guidance of Unai Emery has developed rapidly since last season and has become a challenger to the giant EPL clubs Liverpool, Arsenal and Man City but in the end he finished in 4th place which was a fairly satisfactory result last season, and this season his performance in the EPL is still quite good even though he is in 9th place temporarily but he has the same points as Fulham but in the UCL he achieved good results in 3 matches and only suffered 1 defeat so it is natural that his performance in the EPL has decreased slightly this season but overall his performance has not completely decreased he can still be a challenger to the top clubs.

Considering they are 9th but with just one point difference from the third, they are really not doing that badly. Not really a proper 9th place, and that is why we could see them do fine, we could see them get a lot further, and potentially still finish fourth place. Unai Emery has been a great coach so far, and I bet that next place he will go to will be a major club, he deserves it.

I honestly thought Bayern would hire him this summer, but instead they got Kompany, which made no sense to me. If you switched places, Kompany would have made Villa at best 10th place, maybe worse, and Umai wouldn't get relegated for sure. In the end, next time he leaves, thanks to all he did with villareal and Villa, both have villa in the name I am just realizing that lol, he will go to a great club.

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Quote from: Stable090 on November 12, 2024, 05:00:57 PM

I was also disappointed with Liverpool's performance last session, but we can’t just use Liverpool's last season performance to judge their performance this season, we should know that Liverpool are already having a new coach, and things might just be different this season.

Sometimes the initial guess can be different from the final result of the season, Liverpool last season also appeared strong but towards the end of the season they lost control and finally lost the opportunity to win the title, this is the same as what Arsenal did in the last 2 seasons where their fans speculated that this club would bring home the trophy but in reality Arsenal failed to win it. This season Liverpool is still a strong candidate but no one knows what will happen at the end of the season so as a fan don't be too happy for now if it doesn't match expectations you will be disappointed in the end.

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Quote from: Stablexcoin on November 12, 2024, 04:17:31 PM

Arsenal head coach Mikel Arteta has set to meet with the owners of Arsenal the Kroenke family. Of which the agenda is to make preparations for the 2025 January signings of player in other to win the league. Pressure has been on Arteta's side because if Liverpool wins the league Arsenal's fans will take bad against him and he might lose his place as Arsenal coach. The club is becoming serious to get a strikers and more better players for the team to win the league this season.

The attention of the Kroenke family was drawn to the need for a new striker, winger to replace Saka, another goal keeper and a creative midfielder like Martin Odegard whose absent after an ankle injury affected the team so badly.

I feel that all these are rumors that won't still yield any positive results, because I don't understand why Arteta would sell and send players on loan without a proper replacement. He should've known better than others, because Injury worries can be a big problem at some point in the league. Since the departure of granit xhaka, I've not seen that perfect Arsenal rhythm. And why is that?, because they failed to find a perfect replacement.

This is probably partey's last season, and they've not been concrete talks on how to possibly extend his contract or find a replacement. For a club that wants to compete and win titles, you don't have to wait for dying minute, which in most cases leads to signing liability (sorry to use the word). In arsenal's last game, it was 100% obvious that the absent of a quality striker and probably another good AMF, is killing their game. I don't need to say much because I assume the coach knows what's best for his team.

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Man City has to bounce back with a win next round at home against Tottenham or they'll end up being 8 points behind Liverpool, as there's no way Liverpool will not beat the last in the table Southampton, who only got 4 points after 11 games. And we know that 8 pints is a lot.
In two weeks (1 Dec), both of the teams (Liverpool and City) are playing against each other, so it would be a great indicator of whether or not Man City can perform in line with expectations.

In other news, Ruben Amorim has officially joined Man United and will be leading them in their next game against Ipswich Town. United are currently 13th but are only 4 points away from the top 4, so still a lot left to play this season.

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Quote from: Amphenomenon on November 11, 2024, 04:53:48 PM

They often have a poor stat around this period, though I think performance is worst than last season by this time but it still doesn't matter to me since they will likely bounce back.

I also have the feeling that Manchester City is going to bounce back, but the problem is that I hope it won’t be late when they are going to bounce back. Liverpool is already in first position, and the more Manchester City keeps on losing, the more Liverpool keeps on increasing the points difference between them. I hope it’s not going to be late, because Liverpool is already ahead of Manchester City with 5 points. We don’t know when Manchester City's performance is going to improve, and there is no assurance that Liverpool's performance is going to drop.

Quote from: Amphenomenon on November 11, 2024, 04:53:48 PM

You see the case of Liverpool fans acting as the title favourites, I'm over that, after having high expectations for Liverpool last season though not a fan but thought they were going to win the league, they fell off and more shameful

I was also disappointed with Liverpool's performance last session, but we can’t just use Liverpool's last season performance to judge their performance this season, we should know that Liverpool are already having a new coach, and things might just be different this season.

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Quote from: hyudien on November 12, 2024, 03:55:25 PM

No matter how bad Man City performance is, they are in second place in the standings. So it is too early to expect Man City to step back from the title race because there are still many games to be played. Besides Man City is a club that has a way to get out of this situation and get back on track. It's approaching the middle of the season and we have a long 1/2 season. Man City can rise at any time, Liverpool must be able to take advantage of the situation when Man City is not performing optimally.

Thank you, this is just something EPL fans should be very much aware of, no team is more consistent than Manchester City in the EPL and we know this.

The Liverpool that many are chanting as title favourites was better off Manchester City and Arsenal last season at around this time, but came first and second respectively, whereas, Liverpool disappointedly came 3rd. Man City has an high chance of bouncing back, even more likely during or after transfer window at worst.

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Quote from: Stablexcoin on November 12, 2024, 04:17:31 PM

Arsenal head coach Mikel Arteta has set to meet with the owners of Arsenal the Kroenke family. Of which the agenda is to make preparations for the 2025 January signings of player in other to win the league. Pressure has been on Arteta's side because if Liverpool wins the league Arsenal's fans will take bad against him and he might lose his place as Arsenal coach. The club is becoming serious to get a strikers and more better players for the team to win the league this season.

The attention of the Kroenke family was drawn to the need for a new striker, winger to replace Saka, another goal keeper and a creative midfielder like Martin Odegard whose absent after an ankle injury affected the team so badly.

The advantage of Arteta being at Arsenal at the moment is that the club owners still seem loyal enough to provide the facilities and budget needed to improve their club and it cannot be denied that in recent seasons Arsenal are one of the clubs that are quite loyal in the purchase of players they do not like some other big clubs who are sometimes quite stingy in spending money, for example like Liverpool who sometimes always have problems when they want to try to bring in players or extend contracts that have an impact on salary increases.

But this seems to make Arsenal also although good but still not giving the expected impact because in the end they are still in the runner up in the last 2 seasons after some of the things they have done until now. Although this is still a pretty good increase when compared to the previous few seasons but in the end it seems that Arteta's efforts always have problems caused by their own performance.

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Quote from: Stablexcoin on November 12, 2024, 04:17:31 PM

Arsenal head coach Mikel Arteta has set to meet with the owners of Arsenal the Kroenke family. Of which the agenda is to make preparations for the 2025 January signings of player in other to win the league. Pressure has been on Arteta's side because if Liverpool wins the league Arsenal's fans will take bad against him and he might lose his place as Arsenal coach. The club is becoming serious to get a strikers and more better players for the team to win the league this season.

The attention of the Kroenke family was drawn to the need for a new striker, winger to replace Saka, another goal keeper and a creative midfielder like Martin Odegard whose absent after an ankle injury affected the team so badly.

I agree with the Arsenal owner's move to overhaul the team in the upcoming transfer market because so far Arsenal has not found a striker who is very productive in scoring goals. But I think they are moving quite late because if Arsenal management bought the best striker in the summer transfer market, maybe we would have seen a lot of progress at Arsenal.

Of course Arteta will be hated because he has built the team's performance well in the previous 2 seasons but this season Liverpool became champions, of course that was a big blow for them. But that's just a prediction because the season is still long and Arsenal still has many opportunities to improve their performance. However, several names have started to be widely associated with Arsenal, but I hope Arsenal can move faster to get the players they are targeting.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on November 11, 2024, 03:58:22 PM

With the way Arne Slot is playing this team, I feel like he is looking better than even Klopp, I am not saying that Klopp wasn't a great manager, he was definitely a good one, but we are going to see Slot getting the title on his first ever season by the looks of it. Obviously the league is not over yet so we do not know what's going to happen, maybe this season at some period Liverpool will lose bunch of games too, and then City could win and then get ahead, which isn't impossible to happen, this is football and anything could happen.

At the moment we cannot compare that because after all, when talking about comparisons, of course there must be a scale that must be measured from the achievements so that in this case we cannot say that Slot is now better than Klopp because he is only in his first season and there is still a lot he has not encountered including some internal problems that can certainly occur.

In this case, in terms of performance, Slot was quite good at the start of this season but that does not mean that it eliminates what Klopp got while coaching Liverpool especially since we know that in prime Liverpool in 2020 we can see how crazy Liverpool are in terms of performance, ball possession and others so we just have to continue to observe whether in the end Slot can continue to have the best touch for Liverpool or there are some problems that in the end cannot be resolved because even though now the conditions are still very good but that does not mean this season is running without any obstacles especially the season is still very long.

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Arsenal head coach Mikel Arteta has set to meet with the owners of Arsenal the Kroenke family. Of which the agenda is to make preparations for the 2025 January signings of player in other to win the league. Pressure has been on Arteta's side because if Liverpool wins the league Arsenal's fans will take bad against him and he might lose his place as Arsenal coach. The club is becoming serious to get a strikers and more better players for the team to win the league this season.

The attention of the Kroenke family was drawn to the need for a new striker, winger to replace Saka, another goal keeper and a creative midfielder like Martin Odegard whose absent after an ankle injury affected the team so badly.

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Quote from: yudi09 on November 12, 2024, 02:30:31 PM

Quote from: Amphenomenon on November 12, 2024, 02:00:57 PM

Manchester City is on a downhill but they often face this kind of scenario every season, I expect them to bounce back especially from the fact that they can improve their squad this January.

Don't judge everything like regretting a fate, because before Manchester City experienced this, we also felt how to slump. Liverpool have felt that and in football, something like this is a natural thing to happen to a big club.
Maybe Manchester City lost in a row in all the games they played because Rodri was absent. If that is true, just wait until Rodri returns to the field.
This situation will change, but when is the time that needs to be waited for.

As a great team, they did not lose just because one player was absent and I think it's very funny, how can they assume when a team that has great dominance from season to season and then loses but many assume this defeat is only because of the absence of one player. For me, a result like this is still possible to be a reasonable result, because from previous seasons when Manchester City won the trophy, in fact Manchester City also experienced several defeats. But indeed, in previous seasons Manchester City did not get consecutive defeats like this time.

After all, even though Manchester City got consecutive defeats, but Manchester City is still in second place and has a five-point gap with Liverpool. Thus, Manchester City still on the title track even though it is difficult to overtake Liverpool, but at least Manchester City still has the chance to always be able to threaten Liverpool at the top of the standings.

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Quote from: yudi09 on November 12, 2024, 02:30:31 PM

Quote from: Amphenomenon on November 12, 2024, 02:00:57 PM

Manchester City is on a downhill but they often face this kind of scenario every season, I expect them to bounce back especially from the fact that they can improve their squad this January.

Don't judge everything like regretting a fate, because before Manchester City experienced this, we also felt how to slump. Liverpool have felt that and in football, something like this is a natural thing to happen to a big club.
Maybe Manchester City lost in a row in all the games they played because Rodri was absent. If that is true, just wait until Rodri returns to the field.
This situation will change, but when is the time that needs to be waited for.

No matter how bad Man City performance is, they are in second place in the standings. So it is too early to expect Man City to step back from the title race because there are still many games to be played. Besides Man City is a club that has a way to get out of this situation and get back on track. It's approaching the middle of the season and we have a long 1/2 season. Man City can rise at any time, Liverpool must be able to take advantage of the situation when Man City is not performing optimally.

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Quote from: Amphenomenon on November 12, 2024, 02:00:57 PM

Manchester City is on a downhill but they often face this kind of scenario every season, I expect them to bounce back especially from the fact that they can improve their squad this January.

Don't judge everything like regretting a fate, because before Manchester City experienced this, we also felt how to slump. Liverpool have felt that and in football, something like this is a natural thing to happen to a big club.
Maybe Manchester City lost in a row in all the games they played because Rodri was absent. If that is true, just wait until Rodri returns to the field.
This situation will change, but when is the time that needs to be waited for.

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Quote from: Nanga Parbat on November 12, 2024, 12:57:14 PM

Yes ,you are correct . That is historical bad performance by Man City players and they lost consecutively last 4 matches and that is not small thing in football game. We saw big teams they lose 1 match ,2 matches or three matches but after that they did come back and they proved that they are big teams but last matches performance of Man City hurted the fans and fans don't want to see next match of Man City . Against Sporting football full strength team , Man City score was only 1 but the score of Sporting team was 4 which is incredible and Gyökeres was best player of this match because he did 3 goals in this match and we didn't see that kind of effort by Man City players in last 4 matches.

Manchester City is on a downhill but they often face this kind of scenario every season, I expect them to bounce back especially from the fact that they can improve their squad this January.

Team like Manchester City it's too early to judge them by their performance, they will often find a way of to bounce back. As long as Pep Guardiola is still with them it won't be that difficult for him to get his team back on track.

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