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Quote from: TelolettOm on October 07, 2024, 12:59:08 PM

Quote from: Issa56 on October 06, 2024, 03:28:54 PM

Because Manchester United were able to get a draw in today's match doesn’t mean their performance is improving, just a match can’t be used to judge a club's performance. I know their performance wasn’t really bad in the match, I never expected a draw in the match. I was expecting Aston Villa to comfortably win the match, but both of them couldn’t score any goal in the match, and they both shared the point. Let’s see how Manchester United will perform in coming matches, but Manchester United getting a draw doesn’t mean Ten hag shouldn’t be sacked, because I don’t think Ten hag will be able to improve the club’s performance.

Agree. It is funny that a draw result is considered as an improvement of Man United performance. If they failed to win the match, it means no improvement at all. Aston Villa is strong team now but Man United should have a chance to beat them. Man United must focus on attacking, so they may have a chance to score some goals. But if they focused on defense only, they may have no conceded goals but they won't have a goal. A draw result isn't something good for Man United, it is also not the first time to get bad result. If Man United fires him, it is not because of the draw result but it is caused by a series of bad results.

Manchester United is now celebrating a draw like a holiday. lol
No playing style from United. I don't know what Erik ten Hag is doing in Manchester United.
Since Ten Hag joined the club in 2022, no Premier League club has conceded 3 or more goals per game in all competitions more times than Manchester United (24). There is no reason not to sack him.
We can see how disastrous the management of Barcelona and Chelsea has been, but they chose the right coach, and in the end, they played well with a good strategy.
Ten Hag doesn’t have that, he is not the right coach for United.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on October 07, 2024, 12:59:08 PM

Quote from: Issa56 on October 06, 2024, 03:28:54 PM

Because Manchester United were able to get a draw in today's match doesn’t mean their performance is improving, just a match can’t be used to judge a club's performance. I know their performance wasn’t really bad in the match, I never expected a draw in the match. I was expecting Aston Villa to comfortably win the match, but both of them couldn’t score any goal in the match, and they both shared the point. Let’s see how Manchester United will perform in coming matches, but Manchester United getting a draw doesn’t mean Ten hag shouldn’t be sacked, because I don’t think Ten hag will be able to improve the club’s performance.

Agree. It is funny that a draw result is considered as an improvement of Man United performance. If they failed to win the match, it means no improvement at all. Aston Villa is strong team now but Man United should have a chance to beat them. Man United must focus on attacking, so they may have a chance to score some goals. But if they focused on defense only, they may have no conceded goals but they won't have a goal. A draw result isn't something good for Man United, it is also not the first time to get bad result. If Man United fires him, it is not because of the draw result but it is caused by a series of bad results.

In my opinion, Manchester United's draw is not a bad result, at least Man United can still get 1 point because I initially thought Aston Villa would beat Man United like they beat Bayern Munich in the Champions League because if we judge from the performance point of view, Bayern Munich is better than Man United but fortunately Man United can maintain a good enough defense so that Aston Villa cannot break through their goal. Some people think that the Man United match with Aston Villa is a benchmark for the continuation of Erik Ten Hag's service if Man United loses again, but unfortunately every time I hope Erik Ten Hag is fired, there is always something that makes this coach feel safe and Man United management is still reluctant to fire Erik Ten Hag.

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The three matches that was played on Sunday was very surprising to the fans. Chelsea 1-1 Nottingham forest and Aston villa 0-0 Manchester united the both matches was quite though for them. However I think the draw is more better for Chelsea and Manchester united than losing the hole three points because looking at the performance of Aston villa and Nottingham forest now in premier league I think any club that is not strong enough would going find it difficult to get a win from them. Though, the most annoing one was Brighton vs Tottenham Hotspur the game was like a shock to me because they were able to took the lead in the first half with 2 goals against their opponent but to my greatest surprise in the second half Brighton players were able to use 20 minutes and score 3 goals against Tottenham Hotspur and dominate the game till full time, indeed it was an incredible performance from Brighton players.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on October 07, 2024, 02:23:20 PM

In the last two seasons we have not seen a better performance than Manchester United. The team's performance in the last season was quite poor and they finished eighth in the table. Despite this deterioration in performance, Manchester United management did not fire Ten Hag. Because Manchester United won the FA Cup by defeating Manchester City. This was Ten Hag's only major achievement.

This even happens more than that because looking at their finish in the last 4 seasons their best achievement is only up to 3rd place the rest of the time they are always knocked out of the top 5 so that indeed for Ten Hag's leadership at Manchester United in the last 2 seasons it is actually not helped only there is 1 trophy that is always proud of because it is very rare for them to get a trophy in the last decade.

Even though if you look at the EPL which actually should be their main focus, Manchester United's performance in 1 season looks quite worrying where their performance is difficult to guess every week or indeed the unstable condition of the dressing room because there are always internal problems in every season has always been a drama for Manchester Untied in recent seasons.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on October 07, 2024, 12:59:08 PM

Agree. It is funny that a draw result is considered as an improvement of Man United performance. If they failed to win the match, it means no improvement at all.

I don’t know why people think there is improvement in Manchester United performance just because Manchester United played a draw in their last match against Aston Villa. Just a match can’t be used to judge if a club has improved, and Manchester United fans should even be ashamed. Manchester United's performance has been so poor to the extent that getting a draw is really a great achievement for them. Ten hag really made Manchester United look like a weak team to everyone. Manchester United are now struggling to win weak teams, which is really bad. Let’s see how they will play in their next match after the international break.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on October 06, 2024, 02:07:32 PM

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So commenting the results of the turn.
As expected Everton Newcastle was not a so easy game for Newcastle and the game ended 0-0
Another fail for Ten Hag with Mancehster United, he will sacked soon, probably during the next week break is a good moment.
Spurs lost and Chelasse tie are others 2 surprising bad results.

Should Sean Dyche be backed further? Let's also not forget this is the third season of Eddie Howe. The media do not criticize him same way they criticize Erik Ten Hag. Pathetic Punks! The management of Manchester United have just hinted they have no such plans to sack Erik Ten Hag, but they better improve Fr! Fr! Nothingham Forest are also good sides, they have an experienced manager and he has handled them well this season with just one lose recorded in the Premier League Competition. Tottenham Hotspur had a sloppy second half and Brighton utilized the chances they had. They showed they wanted the win immediately the scoreline was 1-2! incredible performance!

Well, I don’t know if the idea of not firing Ten Hag is going to be a good idea because if they do not sack him, Manchester United might actually get relegated, and I am not even kidding. Manchester United is being criticized a lot by the media because right now the legacy of Manchester United is literally under threat. I already think that Manchester United is not the club that it once was. And if this continues, I am pretty sure that Manchester United will never regain their past glory.

Tottenham losing against Brighton was definitely a surprise. I don’t know what happened in the second half but it was almost like they forgot how to play or how to defend. The performance of Tottenham has also been very below average so far.

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It is just not working out with Erik ten Hag. Why don't they understand this? I mean I believe this is a really good amount of time given to him to observe what he will do.

This is his 3rd season at Manchester United. It is a terrible start already. They are literally in 14th place... I don't know how much longer he will have excuses for these point losses.

I mean I don't even see this team really trying in the PL. Alex Ferguson is still following the team closely and he must be in pain. Sad

This team has been in huge trouble for long years and nothing changes even when the owners change.

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Quote from: Raflesia on October 07, 2024, 01:40:49 PM

Of course this is not an improvement although in the end this result still seems better than not getting any points at all but it is definitely not an improvement as they are still the same.
Manchester United are still struggling for now and a draw is not really the answer and not a good condition but it's still better than losing all the time. But of course they also still have to continue to improve their performance because when they are still the same, of course criticism will continue to exist especially for Ten Hag, whose position is currently very insecure.
This draw must be used as a moment where they must rise even more in the following week especially if they see their schedule to face Brentford at Old Trafford so they must try to maximize this to 3 points.

In the last two seasons we have not seen a better performance than Manchester United. The team's performance in the last season was quite poor and they finished eighth in the table. Despite this deterioration in performance, Manchester United management did not fire Ten Hag. Because Manchester United won the FA Cup by defeating Manchester City. This was Ten Hag's only major achievement.

Ten Hag was heavily funded by Manchester United management. A lot of money has been spent by the United management. Manchester United management will suffer financially if Ten Hag is sacked. This is why Manchester United is not taking the decision to fire Ten Hag. But I'd say we won't see a better performance from Manchester United unless Ten Hag is sacked. It will be difficult for Manchester United to stay in the top 10 of the table.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on October 07, 2024, 12:59:08 PM

Quote from: Issa56 on October 06, 2024, 03:28:54 PM

Because Manchester United were able to get a draw in today's match doesn’t mean their performance is improving, just a match can’t be used to judge a club's performance. I know their performance wasn’t really bad in the match, I never expected a draw in the match. I was expecting Aston Villa to comfortably win the match, but both of them couldn’t score any goal in the match, and they both shared the point. Let’s see how Manchester United will perform in coming matches, but Manchester United getting a draw doesn’t mean Ten hag shouldn’t be sacked, because I don’t think Ten hag will be able to improve the club’s performance.

Agree. It is funny that a draw result is considered as an improvement of Man United performance. If they failed to win the match, it means no improvement at all. Aston Villa is strong team now but Man United should have a chance to beat them. Man United must focus on attacking, so they may have a chance to score some goals. But if they focused on defense only, they may have no conceded goals but they won't have a goal. A draw result isn't something good for Man United, it is also not the first time to get bad result. If Man United fires him, it is not because of the draw result but it is caused by a series of bad results.

Of course this is not an improvement although in the end this result still seems better than not getting any points at all but it is definitely not an improvement as they are still the same.

Manchester United are still struggling for now and a draw is not really the answer and not a good condition but it's still better than losing all the time. But of course they also still have to continue to improve their performance because when they are still the same, of course criticism will continue to exist especially for Ten Hag, whose position is currently very insecure.
This draw must be used as a moment where they must rise even more in the following week especially if they see their schedule to face Brentford at Old Trafford so they must try to maximize this to 3 points.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 06, 2024, 01:37:52 PM

So commenting the results of the turn.
As expected Everton Newcastle was not a so easy game for Newcastle and the game ended 0-0

Though while Newcastle was having a better chance of winning, this game was just unpredictable to just like their Las match against Manchester City which did as a draw also.

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Another fail for Ten Hag with Mancehster United, he will sacked soon, probably during the next week break is a good moment.

Based on the form Aston Villa as been on, I don't really consider this a lost to Manchester United, especially how well they perform to get a win against Bayern Munich during the week. Manchester United has not been doing well for we to say they would have won against Aston Villa though they got the potential and quality of doing that but sadly they been so much disappointing.

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Spurs lost and Chelasse tie are others 2 surprising bad results.

Spurs lost was really disappointing to them definitely while Chelsea against Nottingham Forest could have won, but we can't also ignore how well M. Sels keep though both goalie did well but Chelsea was also bit wasteful. Though I knew this game somehow wouldn't be easy for the blues especially after Nottingham Forest shockingly defeated Liverpool this season l.

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Quote from: Issa56 on October 06, 2024, 03:28:54 PM

Because Manchester United were able to get a draw in today's match doesn’t mean their performance is improving, just a match can’t be used to judge a club's performance. I know their performance wasn’t really bad in the match, I never expected a draw in the match. I was expecting Aston Villa to comfortably win the match, but both of them couldn’t score any goal in the match, and they both shared the point. Let’s see how Manchester United will perform in coming matches, but Manchester United getting a draw doesn’t mean Ten hag shouldn’t be sacked, because I don’t think Ten hag will be able to improve the club’s performance.

Agree. It is funny that a draw result is considered as an improvement of Man United performance. If they failed to win the match, it means no improvement at all. Aston Villa is strong team now but Man United should have a chance to beat them. Man United must focus on attacking, so they may have a chance to score some goals. But if they focused on defense only, they may have no conceded goals but they won't have a goal. A draw result isn't something good for Man United, it is also not the first time to get bad result. If Man United fires him, it is not because of the draw result but it is caused by a series of bad results.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on October 07, 2024, 02:44:06 AM

As much as you play for Manchester United, it's mandatory to defend the club. Today, most Manchester United players are not passionate about the club no more. Oh please, all thanks to Johnny Evans and the rest of the defenders, they complement themselves very well. At the end of the day, Johnny Evans was man of the match. There's nothing about strategy, it's just rotation honestly. I hate the way the ex players of Manchester United and sky sports target non british players and managers. This is not a good way to support the club honestly. Maybe Erik Ten Hag should drop Bruno Fernandez in my opinion next week.

Hey! I remember last season you defended Ten Hag and argued that he was a good, suitable manager for United. Judging by your message, you haven't changed your mind?
I wonder when you will start blaming him specifically? I understand that bad results are always a complex problem, but is Ten Hag really not guilty of anything again?

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If it wasn't for Onana's great performance with 4 clean sheets so far, I can't imagine how much worse their condition would be. Maybe they would have even been in the relegation zone now.

where else do you think this kind of performance would lead them to at the end?? Manchester United is in the 14th position on the league table and that's some record to brag about?? I don't know why the administrators haven't resolved in sacking this man and showing him to his room... Even if I survived a serious comma, just to hear that Bournemouth is ahead of united in the league table, I'll sniff in disgust!
The man is just too relaxed and as the day goes by, things are getting much worse for them.

To be fair Bruno ahs been the only standing player that's been around for a long time, I can remember him being the only player from the post-SAF era that played decently, and sometimes he tries very hard when he has the confidence in his teammates and thinks they can do something, but sometimes he sees that it is for all nothing and he gives up and plays angry and gets very terrible decision making process.

In the end, I believe they are going to see this getting worse and worse, but I think we need to reconsider this as something that will not help them out for the short term. The team isn't as bad as the results they are getting, on the paper they should have been better, and this makes me think the only possible outcome for this is Erik Ten Hag, this is why everyone is so hard on the coach, because if there weren't really any good players we would understand but look at what Emery is doing with Villa and look at what he is doing with United, the difference is clear.

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Quote from: Docnaster on October 07, 2024, 11:21:48 AM

I think there was an epic encounter that happened in the English Premier League yesterday that we're not just talking about probably because we're too interested in what's happening at Manchester United. Yesterday in the final league game of the weekend, Brighton came from 2 goals down to defeat Ange Postecoglou's Tottenham Hotspur at the Amex stadium. It was a result that helped Fabian Hurzeler men picket her third win of the season as well as moving to the 6th position in the league table. Was I the only one who was stunned by that result? Did any of you expect Tottenham to lose that game after going 2 goals up?

The result was unexpected, but what else can be said knowing fully that Tottenham are currently a flopping team and their opponent whom they played against are currently going head to head against big teams like Arsenal (United not included Cheesy

). I think Brighton no longer needs to be under looked or underestimated, they are building appropriate energy to fit in as a competitor not for the title though but among the possible spot they can reach, striving for the Europa or Conference league will take a lot of dedication from them, since they finished 11th for previous season i think they can adjust for a better position this time. The question now should be if they can beat Newcastle in their next match after this break, both teams are doing well so we expect a tough game during their fixture.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on October 07, 2024, 08:21:32 AM

where else do you think this kind of performance would lead them to at the end?? Manchester United is in the 14th position on the league table and that's some record to brag about?? I don't know why the administrators haven't resolved in sacking this man and showing him to his room... Even if I survived a serious comma, just to hear that Bournemouth is ahead of united in the league table, I'll sniff in disgust!
The man is just too relaxed and as the day goes by, things are getting much worse for them.

Probably worse than this. Tongue

I know the gap between the teams isn't that huge yet. I don't mean the leader or the teams around it of course. I just consider they have no chance for the title once again.

However despite the situation Manchester United can't finish at a proper position by playing like this most of the time. ten Hag always says the same things because he is desperate now. There is nothing we can consider as progress.

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like I said in my previous post, this free kick was a stunner! Bruno has been so unlucky ever since the season begun. Moreso, Erick hasn't learnt that taking chances professionally is all it takes to leave that position.

Yeah this is really sad to see. Bruno Fernandes' contribution changes everything. When he leads the team and contributes more, they get better results more often. But even if he is playing like this I just don't know...

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Quote from: Velvet78 on October 07, 2024, 05:45:31 AM

What is this guy talking about? Cheesy

You showed belief? Where? I couldn't see that much of a belief during the most of the game. I just saw a team trying not to concede a goal that's all.

If it wasn't for Onana's great performance with 4 clean sheets so far, I can't imagine how much worse their condition would be. Maybe they would have even been in the relegation zone now.

I got really bored watching their "effort" against Aston Villa. It is sad to see even Bruno Fernandes in this condition. The only good thing I can remember about him is his superb free-kick hitting the post. Sad

doesn't it sad to see Ten Hag face at the moment and even after the defeat to Tottenham and the draw to Aston Villa he can still proud at the moment, the results obtained by Manchester United in several consecutive games do not make him admit his inability to coaching and continue to blame his players for playing below standard, Their performance in that match was indeed quite bad and strangely Ten Hag could not find the right solution to restore their performance and instead made substitutions which in my opinion did not have any effect on their game, yes, Ten Hag should have thanked Onana in the match who appeared impressive throughout the match to prevent them from getting worse results in match.

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I think there was an epic encounter that happened in the English Premier League yesterday that we're not just talking about probably because we're too interested in what's happening at Manchester United. Yesterday in the final league game of the weekend, Brighton came from 2 goals down to defeat Ange Postecoglou's Tottenham Hotspur at the Amex stadium. It was a result that helped Fabian Hurzeler men picket her third win of the season as well as moving to the 6th position in the league table. Was I the only one who was stunned by that result? Did any of you expect Tottenham to lose that game after going 2 goals up?

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Quote from: emrecemsan on October 05, 2024, 09:29:11 AM

Manchester City are struggling quite much in midfield currently against Fulham. Especially because of Kovacic... He has been making important mistakes so far. This makes them struggle more to create dangerous attacks and be vulnerable to attacks in defense at the same time. Sad

Rodri's being out for a long time due to injury makes things really difficult for his team. It wasn't unexpected of course. Because you know how he contributes to the defense and attacking area both. There is nobody else in the squad who can play in his role with the same impact.

And yes, while I was making this post Fulham got 1-0 ahead at Etihad. Grin

Raul Jimenez's assist was incredible!

It was a close one for Manchester City. The Cityzens won by 3 goals to 2 but Fulham had many chances that could have changed the trajectory for them if they had converted those chances. Thanks to Adama Traore who threw all the chances away and helped Manchester City win. It is obvious that Manchester City without Kevin De Bruyne and Rodri are not so powerful. Rodri makes the difference for Manchester City game in game out.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on October 07, 2024, 05:45:31 AM

If it wasn't for Onana's great performance with 4 clean sheets so far, I can't imagine how much worse their condition would be. Maybe they would have even been in the relegation zone now.

where else do you think this kind of performance would lead them to at the end?? Manchester United is in the 14th position on the league table and that's some record to brag about?? I don't know why the administrators haven't resolved in sacking this man and showing him to his room... Even if I survived a serious comma, just to hear that Bournemouth is ahead of united in the league table, I'll sniff in disgust!
The man is just too relaxed and as the day goes by, things are getting much worse for them.

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I got really bored watching their "effort" against Aston Villa. It is sad to see even Bruno Fernandes in this condition. The only good thing I can remember about him is his superb free-kick hitting the post. Sad

like I said in my previous post, this free kick was a stunner! Bruno has been so unlucky ever since the season begun. Moreso, Erick hasn't learnt that taking chances professionally is all it takes to leave that position.

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Quote from: blue Snow on October 06, 2024, 07:04:01 PM

I saw both teams played offensive and implement tight defense, so that situation made some player do physical confrontation on the fields as seen at the end of the match. yes, Villa is more bit have much ball possession maybe because play at their home. On other situation, Unai strategy is look better than ten hag when I look how their winger supply the ball to attacker, but again, The MU defense is tight. And another factor is unlucky, they didn't get a chance to shoot the ball in accurately because always blocked by MU defender, and vice versa it happen also when MU counterattacks to Aston Villa. But we don't know what happened to tenhag with this result?, is he got fired or still continue?

I just won bet it draw

What I saw from the match was that both teams did not want to concede. It can be seen from Aston Villa performance which currently wants to maintain its position in the standings and on the one hand Aston Villa admits that Man United could have beaten Aston Villa. So this draw is Villa goal rather than having to end in defeat.
While Man United wants a draw to keep Ten Hag reputation looking good.
So the draw match is the desire of both teams and yesterday's match was really interesting, both teams gave each other resistance but strengthened each other's defense.

BTW, congratulations on your bet and as I remember the odds were quite large on a draw.

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