Topic: Removal of escrow.ms? Update: Recommend users for DT 2, as escrow.ms is removed - page 5. (Read 19834 times)

Blazed, I realize this thread is not about QS but I'm just going to say this:  I realize QS has done good for the community.  I've seen that.  But after watching him try to defend his self-escrow thing, it's quite obvious he does not realize exactly what's wrong with what he did.  And therefore I don't trust the guy.  This is a forum about money, right?  It doesn't matter if QS can spot scammers and call them out--a scammer can very easily recognize a scammer, and he will point them out to potential scamees in order to gain trust.  QS has proven that he can't be trusted in a deal that involves money.  He took two out of three sides of a deal whilst allowing the outside party to believe the other two sides were independent of each other.  And they were not.  That is fraud, and his rationalizations after he got caught were breathtakingly dishonest.  And he hasn't learned from that.

lol...what? I have never taken a loan or given a loan to QS.

I don't trust here any one, you are favouring QS because you had been fulfilled loan from him.

Why all of the QS hate? He did 1 bad move, but before that 100s of good ones. Should he ever escrow again...? Obviously not. Has he helped the community...yes.

Have no idea re. how trusting you are, simply telling you what it looks like on default trust. No need to take my word for it: register a throwaway account, log in, see for yourself

Was about to say something to Timelord over at the known alts thread, was about to say something to him here,
can't you just sort out your problems with QS in private?!

I really like it how every topic becomes about qs... not...

My "trust" is set to default, this is what I see:



Congratulations, Quickseller!

Quicksandseller has been bragging in a separate thread how those he neg reped have been coming to life to scam again since their slates have been wiped clean as it were.

*edit* http://archive.is/JPIKO


2nd edit Lutpin

That will be theymos just like now.But one DT user like QS can troll anyone non-DT like pilot' in present Trust system and he will fail in the suggested idea cause there is no rating score but just +- which don't connect each other ever.

It still doesn't explains why he is referring himself

Won't that centralize it further? The one at the top would hold the most trust "weight"

And well, this is a thread for recommending users.

I thought about a threshold before an account is shown red. So if a user only angered one member on default trust and only that user rated him negatuve then he is not instantly red. Which raises his chance to overcome that red rating with green ratings.

If that red rating is genuine then it would be pretty easy and fast to get other users rate him negative too. By creating a spam accusation thread. Spambusters are very fast on rating then.

The advantage would be that you would need to have more than one peoples judgement to push someone in the negative. It would be a little bit like swarm intelligence. A community court of some kind.

Well, I think alot of complaints could have prevented that way.

I dont know why QS needs DT as he is already being respected because of the contribution and help, but there is no need for him to start the ESCROW & DT business again in order to help the community.It has no connection at all.There are enough people active for that or if he is doing all this just to get back then again..lol its untrustworthy and he is doing what he doesn't want to just to get to an abusable position.

Continue the good work and some people might still treat you like the old times but the community wont.

The best is to show both the negative and positive feedback side by side.This will not only kill the greed for a high score but will also solve the abuse issue cause one user cannot damage anyone's reputation.

There will be a competition if there is an end point on the race track but my suggestion is to put the end point at an infinite distance and just let it be a path where people will/can only walk but wont fight for the position because there is none.We could still have DT levels even then with more weight then others.

Yes the trust system is one of the hot topics of critics on the forum. Mostly because of people feeling treated unfair for being rated negatively by people on default trust.

There are suggestions in the room to force people to build their own trust list but somehow I believe that will only lead to newbies not care about adding someone. They would simply see no ratings at all anymore. And forcing them to do so would mean that they would add the same people that are on default trust now, just to get this point done and being able to use the forum.

Bootstrapping would mean an initial trust list, if Iam not wrong, which still would bring critics because people would say newbies will see the ratings from these people the same way like it is with default trust now.

To be honest, I was on the forum for years without touching the trust list because the default trust ratings were a relatively good rating most of the time. At least when the negative trust is a high number it is pretty sure someone is a scammer and that it is not only someone was angered by another person.

I really don't know how this could potentially be solved since if it is not automatic then it would be manual to some extent. And i doubt many would want to do the work checking rating and users out.

There are no alternative trust systems out there where one could learn from i guess. Otherwise it would have been suggested already.

Only realized it now, you have -104 or so because of my trust list.

And yes I agree you still have a lot of respect.


I think that doesn't really matter. There were alot who claimed you give everyone red trust that criticized you so that fact? might be no wonder.


I know, but your evaluating was not seldom of a kind that a big majority disagreed with you and you still held onto your rating because you, for example, felt that someone would have wanted to scam.


I think the "for the most part" was the problem. I had the feeling of you being stubborn often enough as long as the victim could not provide proof against your rating. Which of course was impossible when you rated on a feeling that someonew wanted to scam only, so no scam happened at all at that time.

But let's not make this thread into a quickseller discussion. I think I wrote all points I think on that point already. Yes I agree with you doing good work as spambuster, only your rating technique is somewhat destructive at times.

Think you're over-exaggerating here, he probably made bad choices, but here he is, still helping out. He might've even either not be removed from DT at all, or reinstated by now, if not for the negs he has given to a select few people and if he hadn't faked his ban

feedback and adding to trust list absolutely difference things, automatically jump only people in old blazer trust list until he not remove or add new manual.

Yeah, I realized now. I thought that someone who is on default trust one and is giving a green trust to someone that this person will automatically be leveled to default trust 2, even when he is not in the trustlist. Though it seems that is divided luckily.


Yeah, I made some errors by deleting old trust rating so consolidate them back then led to them losing some points.

But i may revise that point. I added it to not clutter the trust ratings with too many ratings though I only would need to give another rating when the trusted amount is considerably higher. Or something like that.


I think he would still show up red, only his given red would show up again too. I only think going against all these red trust rating will break hell lose. I would not want to be in the persons position who does this. I saw what happened when all those, who felt being treated unfair by QS, saw finally the chance to kill his red trust. It was a mess.

Ah ok, then all normal trust feedback is handled the same way like anyones on default trust 2. The thread sounded a bit like you gave normal trust ratings to members you traded with and that they now automatically were on default trust 2 now that you are on def trust 1.

Good that this is divided.

Smoothie, I wouldn't worry about your trust score.