Topic: Removal of escrow.ms? Update: Recommend users for DT 2, as escrow.ms is removed - page 7. (Read 19652 times)

Ah thanks for the explaination and thanks Blazed on adding me again. I did not see me added on the list i downloaded some hours ago.

In fact i had thought that theymos was default trust 0 and everyone on default trust one got his trust from theymos. It would make sense since someone had to add them. Though as admin you don't really need to use the trust system for that i guess. Only backend change.

So the list can't tell you who is default trust 1 since there is no notice about the level. You only can judge from ratings when you know someone is default trust x.

Most of what happened to you was because of your "self escrow" and you're obviously still in denial about how dishonest that is.

I had to laugh because you are so consistent on holding on your account even though it looks pretty unlikely getting the red trust away.

I agree you are a good spambuster but you might remember that i at least once spoke against your red trust. I think you gave red trust way too freely. Red trust can practically destroy an account and it seems to me the complaints about your ratings were not only from scammers but from people who genuinely felt their feeling of justice hurt.

Can happen easily.

A way to not give wrong trust too.

Anyway, what is the difference between you giving green trust to a user the normal way and you putting a user into your trust settings? Is it the same basically? If so then you have to be really cautious now. Though i think you already found out.

Well, it looks like a lot of work to me.

I tend to think that with the current trust we have three levels of how members should vote. First is untrusted and trusted from someone on default trust 2. Their trust ratings does not really mean much since they only show up on untrusted feedback and very few check there.

Next is default trust 2. Which means you have to be a lot more cautious who you trust now since your trust shows up for everyone. Your trust means you can trust this person and you show this to everyone. So it is not a thing of "a trade went well" anymore. You need to think of the person of someone you somehow got the impression of that you can trust him.

Being switched to default trust meant that i had to deal with that since i received a whole thread of complaints about it. So i created a new trust policy for me as escrow:

* No trust rating to account sellers, buyers or the account traded generally. Because i cant tell if the buyer is using the bought account from now on or if he will sell it shortly after. And i cant tell if a seller is selling the seller account shortly after too.
* No trust rating at all to escrowed amounts worth <$50.
* Deals where i was escrow should not get green trust since there is no risk involved to buyer and seller. So i can give a neutral trust (see trust options, neutral is a comment only and doesnt affect the rating) to them when rule 2 does not apply. I will state the escrowed amount as risked btc and mention that it is the escrowed amount.
* Exceptions of the above rules are possible if i trust a person really. Have the impression that he showed he is a honest guy or something like that.
* I will only give one trust rating and try to put all ratings in one rating.

Guess you have a lot more responsibility on that level.

Edited a part out. It seems like the normal trust rating are handled the same like with on default trust 2. Only the trust list is putting someone on default trust 2.

You are in DT2, but not on that route.
You are on the downlist of Blazed (DT1).
theymos (DT1 aswell) has phantastisch in his list (-> DT2), which would put you on DT3.

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No longer.

I downloaded that file but how do i read it?

For example I see that theymos has phantastisch on trust. And phantastisch has me trusted. Does that mean Iam on default trust level 2 now again?

Well, there are reasons.
One was described by qs and others quite often already. If a scammer gets neg-trust from only one user in DT (lets say, from qs back then), others think "hey, he already got neg trust"
and that one user then is removed from DT for some unrelated reasons (may it be pulling some questionable actions with his alts),
the red trust vanishes into the "untrusted" section and the scammer is free to have another shot.
With several DT users marking a scammer, that is less likely to happen.

Or to put it in the words of QS himself:

Basically agree with QS too. But honestly, having mexxer and lutpin should be enough for now (IMO). There is no need for someone to neg-trust a scammer several times. If it's red, it's red.

Not as impossible as you might think it is.

whywefight actually does a great job regarding the "digital goods" section.

Got to agree with Qs. He has been a really good scam buster and has helped the community a lot. He's still helping out now even though he's no longer on the DT network hence i think he deserves a spot too.

I think I would be a good addition to the DT network, as I was in the past. I don't think you can deny that most of what happened with me was because of people's emotions getting the best of them. BadBear removed me because I was less then honest about being banned, and really removed me because of this post. Tomatocage removed me because he was under intense pressure by others to do so. Dooglus excluded me because he routinely does things to sites that allows him to steal money that is similar to what tspacepilot did to coinchat and does not want to endanger his reputation (he similarly excluded BAC when BAC called out dooglus for giving inside information re CLAMs).

There are a very small number of ratings in which other, reputable members have suggested that I should remove such negative ratings, and the single complaint about a positive rating was from someone advising that an account was recently sold. 

@Blazed
Your list looks complete now
Finally mexxer and lutpin can directly mark scammers red without asking other people to do it for them. Congratulations!
Maybe consider adding whywefight too? He has been active recently to organize and clean up the "digital goods" section.

You know how to give me a great laugh. Though i think you did not mean that too serious anyway. It looks way too impossible anyway.

I always was wondering who gets on default trust 1. Probably only persons theymos knows personally? It's a lot of trust involved so it might be theymos is wary of adding more people because of the risk for his trust or so.

Edit: Only see now you mention being added on default trust so congrats.

*lol* Not bad... I did not check mine since I have many users on my personal trust list, so I lost focus on my trust that is showing up normally.

I asked myself if pm'ing users that can put one on default trust is a good idea, asking to be put on default trust 2, though I think that would not be appropriate nor really needed.

Edit: Meant level 2.

Thats what i did. i might just get used to it how it looks like. even my own rating looks strange now.

Not even an hour has passed and I already have twothree people complaining, one ponzi promoter , another an account who claims to have been sold after the rating was received. Expect more of them, considering I am the only one in DT currently marking ponzi sites promoter/runner.

And well, if I get power-crazy Lutpin is there to keep me in check  

No, no mate. DT is ... training wheels, if you're "experienced" and visit and interact in marketplace significantly you should remove DT and include people you trust

i followed my own advice and removed DT from my trust list and added some people i trust. now all the rating is see seem a bit strange so i put it back in... i think i will include some of DT even i have no clue who they are

maybe he is keeping it for a particular category,Like business and Nasty thing only.But Yes,not much contribution to the network.

mexxer is destroying trillions of accounts ,Insta-remove him