Topic: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) - page 323. (Read 907226 times)

Sirs,

Your support makes me cry. If you would speak as nice words in the other threads, the trolls would be silenced also there, and this would be a better place in an instant. Try it!

The stuff I've been doing here is not really so difficult. The hardest and least satisfying part is to moderate the threads so that they are even remotely readable, which they are not, which in turn compels me to start new user-moderated threads all the time. It is a sorry thing that the forum management cares so little of its most valuable members (and everybody, as a result).

Then there is the issue of dozens of requests to the Other Place (we call bitcointalk the same name there ) I will have to take them one by one based on how much time I have, and we also let people in only few at the time, tryin to avoid the problems mentioned. So please be patient with the delay.

I am not abruptly leaving, I have a nice announcement coming any day from now..

Risto is correct. Forum is full of idiots. Unfortunately I suspect I am high up on his idiots list. What I would say to that is that a shirt and a club blazer n tie, combined with restrained mannerisms don't a smart man make. I have had a few posts deleted from rpietila's 'quality' TA thread, which would be fair enough if only quality TA posts were allowed, but the entire thread is packed to the brim with much total nonsense as opposed to being composed of strictly 'quality TA', with much of the nonsense coming from rpietila himself.

I registered here in April 2013, and back then, I don't remember it being a whole lot different to be honest. Just as full of idiots being hugely rewarded for their idiocy causing them to think they were smart, tempered by the bitter lemons who had missed the bus and were willing the destruction of BTC in order to bring everyone else who had gotten way ahead of them back down to their level. In fact, I seem to remember many of the characters back then being more grotesque than those who are frequenting here today, but that could have a lot to do with what phase in the Bitcoin cycle we are presently in. The regular Bull-tards here today might attempt hubris, but it just isn't possible for their hearts to be in it like they were before.

There were as few people who I would have actually listened to back then as there are today. Someone who earnestly and exhaustively compiles a large post with graphs with lines drawn on them, but with his whole premises being based on some very shaky ground, is just as worthless as JimboToronto's mindless Bitcoin 2 da Moon drum beating or Igorr constantly telling us that Bitcoin will be worth 50p by the time the year is out........BitcoinSteve on the otherhand, now he raised a few eyebrows.

But Risto! that would be like abandoning the internets because it is full of adverts, malware, and spam SEO sites

Stick it out, filter the noise, it  is what it is, and what you make of it x

I don't necessarily agree with what people say, but I find it imperative that I read their points of view so I can better understand and challenge my own.

Risto, if you think that que IQ of the forum has dropped significantly, I can guarantee you that it will be much worse by next year!

I'm going to push back on this comment a little. Haven't you mentioned that you quit your career in order that you could educate people full-time about bitcoin?

If so, then it seems you've already tasked yourself with such a responsibility. If it truly is the task of the earlier adopters to spread the word, then segregating yourself off from newcomers seems antithetical to your mission.

I'm sure there are very good reasons for the "high-level of knowledge" posters to congregate. But there are also very good reasons for them to stay and fight the good fight.

But Risto! that would be like abandoning the internets because it is full of adverts, malware, and spam SEO sites

Stick it out, filter the noise, it  is what it is, and what you make of it x

I don't necessarily agree with what people say, but I find it imperative that I read their points of view so I can better understand and challenge my own.

THIS PLACE IS ALMOST DEAD. JUST LIKE MTGOX.

I started lurking in Bitcointalk when I contemplated buying bitcoins the first time, during the 2011 bubble. Afterwards I made the purchase, and continued lurking through the plateau at $5, fall of Bitcoinica, Pirate@40, etc. until this thing started to interest me more and I registered late 2012.

I was really active in March-May 2013, and again starting October 2013. Now after 2,500 posts and 33 days of activity, I feel that not only my stay here, but even this very place, is coming to an end.

In the very beginning (of which I was not witnessing), the average IQ of the posters was probably +3.0 (145 if sd=15). That kind of community functions really well. But when Bitcoin started its exponential rise in the exchanges, exponentially more people were drawn in and given posting privileges. This started the slow but inevitable slide in the quality of discourse.

At first, a little-less-smart people respect the oldtimers, and fit in well. Afterwards one level less smart people enter in, and soon the oldtimers who actually know about things are outnumbered such that they cannot keep the average level of discussion up, and it reverts to the level of the newcomers. In the next stage the oldtimers are so far above the newcomers that meaningful discussion is not even possible, and at this point they segregate themselves to speak actual matters somewhere else, leaving the education of the forum to middle-knowledgeable people like me.

As recently as a year ago, people were laughing at me here, because my mouth was bigger than the actual knowledge. Now they respect me (except the trolls that are so much below me that they don't recognize it). But talking about the forum, it is a terrible thing that the people who know stuff are inundated with junk, and leaving. And now I am thinking the same.

Perhaps this is the way things go. My friend who knows the lifecycle of Internet forums, has explained that ever-expansion and quality cannot remain in the same place. In theory this could maybe, possibly, have been remedied long time ago by guarding the posting rights carefully. Now it is almost certainly too late, and the new forum software after minimum 12 months will not come on time to bring the lost contributors back.

This is a lamentation. Not a suggestion, nor a call to action. Sorry.

There are other communities available, I am a member of one, and if you really burn for Bitcoin and the economy it enables, shoot a PM with some kind of introduction.