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legendary
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It would seem to me that the UK is looking for new more reliable and less bullying partners. There is plenty to be developed at Ukraine and has plenty of people who can be potentially rich in the future and will need some bankers to help them keep those assets. I am thinking that Frankfurt needs to step up if they intend to catch the City.

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The UK will provide Ukraine with annual military assistance of no less than £3 billion a year until 2030/31 and for as long as needed to support Ukraine.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-ukraine-100-year-partnership-declaration/uk-ukraine-100-year-partnership-declaration#:~:text=The%20UK%20will%20support%20Ukraine%20in%20advancement%20of%20human%20security,civilian%2C%20security%20and%20defence%20sectors.

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Pursuant to Article 11, paragraph 3, of the One Hundred Year Partnership Agreement signed on 16 January 2025 between the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Ukraine, both sides have reached the following understandings:

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We will pursue rapid, innovative, and sustainable production at scale, including joint production, in particular developing advanced weapons and ammunition manufacturing capabilities.

Ukraine can be the weapons manufacturer that Europe needs to become independent from the US.
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legendary
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January 20, 2025, 05:45:14 PM
See who is winning the war - https://liveuamap.com/en


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January 20, 2025, 08:51:28 AM
Funny, but it seems lack of wealthy Russians hurts...UK  Grin

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/millionaires-leaving-uk-jewellers-estate-agents-mp70ck9r8

Rats leaving sinking ship
legendary
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January 20, 2025, 07:44:39 AM
Maybe if the Western banking interests gave Russia back the money they stole then the Russians would stop targeting the resource rich areas of Ukraine for appropriation.  Maybe not.

Anyway, stealing money via the financial system adds a lot of incentive for work on a replacement financial system which actually works.  It was a dumb move for that reason, and also it removed the return of stolen funds as a bargaining chip.  Russia can say "No thanks.  We'll just keep the mines and lands we got."  And that pretends that the USD system has not completely collapsed by the time the shooting has stopped and the Russians are even interested in a refund in whatever replaces it.



Maybe, but to get the money that HAS NOT been stolen but frozen, Ruzzia would need to do something to show that it does not deserve sanctions.

Anyone can talk about replacing a system, but until you can convince anyone out there that your banking system actually works and it is ok to get paid in Rubles (LOL LOL LOL), it lives only in your dreams. The current banking system is not there by chance.

I can see you are very happy about the landgrab, but there is an obvious problem to it: if Ruzzia's banking system effectively collapses, it will not matter. It simply will not be able to pay the army salaries, nor anything else for that matter. One can only guess what is going to happen to Ruzzia if that comes, but it certainly does not include investing in new industries... looks more like "investing in food".

Another obvious problem is that for every little piece you grab, Ruzzia seems to be loosing far more in industrial and oil capabilities. Ruzzia is a petro-state that is being hit precisely where it hurts...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCnOG6VW5kw a few hours ago, Gourbunovka, Kazjastan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uepjvtxwhic two days ago, Tula & Kaluga refineries and fuel storages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGxEjChpbWo Voroznehz, four days ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgVI6cJpCQo All over Ruzzia, 200 drones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CXNF2FlIQw 6 days ago, Bryansk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nVdzCXmEmc 9 days ago, Novorrosiyks

And the list continues... At this pace it seems that the war is not really working for Ruzzia's economy, despite the landgrab. This is billions in infrastructure lost and it is not comming back since components from the West are required, but will not be coming.

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January 20, 2025, 06:31:49 AM
A bit old, but still fun:

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legendary
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January 17, 2025, 05:50:35 PM
When is the end of the war? What's to pull?

The end is when one side has no means to continue. People in the West tend to compare this
with Afghanistan, but Cuba is better comparison. Since Russia declared Ukraine in NATO as existential threat,
similar as USA declared nukes on Cuba, they will put their whole weight into war, so it will last
as long the West, or Ukraine, are willing to continue

This ends up with a militarised border like SK and NK. There is no doubt that the moment Ruzzia thinks they have a good chance of grabbing another chunk of land they will and there is no doubt Europe would rather have a free business ready Ukraine that can deal with the ugly girl in the party.

BTW there are clear signs of a massive debt all across Ruzzia. Private companies have been forced to pay for the war with their balances to avoid a full collapse of the state finances but that has a very short run. Ruzzia is now hoping that Trump gets there and saves them from becoming an economically failed nation - and he probably will, for a price.
legendary
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January 17, 2025, 02:29:50 PM
Just for general understanding, note that LNG storage of significance is almost always done by simply pumping gas back down spent fields, or sometimes in other favorable rock formations.

Tankage is a minor part of gas storage, and I would presume that it is primarily used as a temporary cache associated with pipeline operations.

Such storage was developed in a rural area where I used to live.  The constructed fasted pipeline I've ever seen with dozens of crews working simultaneously on different segments, and as soon as they were done Californians to get fucked completely raw due to 'shortages' (engineered by Enron before they got shut down.)

Even the Oreshnik isn't going to make it down 10,000 feet to hit any main storage sites.



Good place to store the gas until Russia gets rid of all resistance. Then rebuild the gas access that was destroyed by the Oreshnik.

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January 17, 2025, 02:07:56 PM
When is the end of the war? What's to pull?

The end is when one side has no means to continue. People in the West tend to compare this
with Afghanistan, but Cuba is better comparison. Since Russia declared Ukraine in NATO as existential threat,
similar as USA declared nukes on Cuba, they will put their whole weight into war, so it will last
as long the West, or Ukraine, are willing to continue
newbie
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January 17, 2025, 05:36:39 AM
When is the end of the war? What's to pull?
legendary
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January 17, 2025, 01:43:38 AM
Just for general understanding, note that LNG storage of significance is almost always done by simply pumping gas back down spent fields, or sometimes in other favorable rock formations.

Tankage is a minor part of gas storage, and I would presume that it is primarily used as a temporary cache associated with pipeline operations.

Such storage was developed in a rural area where I used to live.  The constructed fasted pipeline I've ever seen with dozens of crews working simultaneously on different segments, and as soon as they were done Californians to get fucked completely raw due to 'shortages' (engineered by Enron before they got shut down.)

Even the Oreshnik isn't going to make it down 10,000 feet to hit any main storage sites.

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January 17, 2025, 01:25:19 AM
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Gas storage and transition were off limits while gas flowed through Ukraine, now Ukraine decided to change the rules, good thing those storage facilities are deep under ground and cannot be easily blown up by some drone  Roll Eyes

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It tends to happen that when someone will loose using your rules, they will decide that the rules are other. Example: Ruzzia can use Iranian Sahed, but Ukraine cannot use missiles inside Ruzzia. Since that makes Ukraine lose, the rule is now: you hit our cities and energy infrastructure, we hit your refineries and airbases with anything we have. No brainer here.

 So yes, Ukraine has the right to decide what goes or does not go past Ukraine. It is not really a "new" rule and hey, you should be very happy as it was Ruzzia who wanted to cut the gas to "freeze Europe". Grin

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Ukraine has EU's largest gas storage facility, it consists of 12 main storage facilities holding about 32.5bcm (out of about 100bcm for all of EU), all build in the Soviet era, meaning Russia knows exact details of all 12 of them. Any theories why Russia is holding back and doesn't take out a third of EU's gas storage capacity?

In other news
Inside Ukraine’s Last Stand at a Vital Coal Mine

The mine, near the frontline city of Pokrovsk, produced coking coal crucial for Ukraine’s steel industry. It kept running until the very last moment, when Russian forces finally reached its gates.
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The closing of the mine, located just southeast of the embattled city of Pokrovsk, ended a desperate effort by Ukraine to keep it running until the very last moment. As Ukraine’s last operational mine producing coking coal — an essential fuel for steel production — it was vital to the country’s steel industry and, ultimately, its war effort.
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Now, the mine’s closure is expected to send shock waves through the economy. Steel production is projected to drop by more than half, from 7.5 million tons this year to less than 3 million next year, according to Oleksandr Kalenkov, head of Ukraine’s steel makers’ association. The fallout will affect trade — metal and steel products were Ukraine’s second-largest export last year — reduce tax revenues and strip the military of essential materials for armor production.

“The impact, in all its aspects, is tremendous,” Mr. Kalenkov said.
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The mine near Pokrovsk is not the first to fall to Russia, whose forces have decimated much of eastern Ukraine’s industrial base. But its story is one of Ukrainian resilience: after scaling back operations following Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022, coal production rebounded to 3.2 million tons in 2023, nearing prewar levels.
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Keeping the mine running as long as possible was critical for Metinvest, which relied on coking coal to smelt iron ore into steel at its factories further west. The steel is used to make rails for Ukraine’s railways, a transport lifeline during the war, as well as body armor and helmets for soldiers. Earlier this month, Metinvest launched production of protective armored plates for the U.S.-made Patriot air defense systems that protect Ukrainian skies.
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From 7,000 tons of coal a day this summer, production fell to just over 2,000 tons by mid-December, the manager said. The strike on the electricity substation, on Christmas Eve, dealt the final blow: the mine shut down and production dropped to zero.
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Mr. Kalenkov, the steel expert, said the mine’s closure put Ukraine in a precarious situation. Importing coking coal to make up for the loss will be costly and complicated by war-related logistical hurdles. He expects a strain on an already fragile economy, but also cutbacks in defense industry projects, such as the production of armor for Patriot systems.

“The loss of the mine definitely hinders Ukraine’s combat capabilities,” Mr. Kalenkov said.


And one of EU's largest Lithium deposit sites is in Shevchenko, few kilometers from Velyaka Novosilka, which will probably go under Russia control today or in few days tops.

The outcome has already been decided, now it's just a matter of selling it to the people, and preferential timing.
legendary
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January 16, 2025, 05:24:30 PM
I mentioned it earlier, but paxmao obviously could not calculate it, so here it is:

The energy of a 36-tonne mass hitting the ground at Mach 10 is approximately:

211.8 billion joules (211.8 × 10⁹ J),
Equivalent to 50.6 tonnes of TNT.

I cannot help to find amusing how you even manage to get the wrong information even when doing physics  Grin Grin Your calculation is wrong, but even with your number that is around 30 conventional bombs, at 18 million cost.

The whole missile does not hit the ground WHERE intended and by the time it releases the MIRVS most of the weight is anyway gone (it is fuel and it burns during the flight). If you want a damage assessment you should consider the MIRVS, 36 of them, weighting just a few hundred kilos. Each of them would be similar to a conventional bomb, but much much less effective since they do not explode on impact nor are targeted.

https://i.imgur.com/Wjc5Fen.jpeg



legendary
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January 15, 2025, 12:20:17 PM
Ukraine has started some offensive operation in Kursk. Some people are puzzled as for the reason, my guess is that they attack where the defence is weaker.

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If you really want to minimise casualties you would close the airspace, but it is evident that it is not a priority to minimise anything.

But we all know that is not going to happen so again:

To all, please check carefully that you flight does not go over Ruzzia or for that matter Georgia, you may be killed by the Ruzzian air defences.
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Again it's one thing to say that RU should close all of its airspace to minimize unintended casualties to civilian airspace, and completely different story to say "it is much better to keep it open, it makes drones more difficult to identify" and "keep on trying to find out if it is a drone or a passenger plane" your intentions are crystal clear here.

Ruzzia does not seem to be able to tell the difference between a drone and a commercial plane. From the Ukrainian perspective that is an advantage, as Ruzzia needs to think twice before pressing the trigger which makes their air defence less effective. This is not a moral judgement, it is a fact.

Unless you are saying that Ruzzia is not going to think twice anyway? That the Ruzzian goverment is fine with hitting passenger planes and killing people as acceptable casualties so that their efficiency is not diminished? Because that is exactly what you imply.

Back to serious discussion, Ruzzia seems to be attacking with less and less mechanised means, sometimes to a ridiculous point of sending people on foot or - I have seen a video - riding scooters. There is something happening and it is not looking good for the Ruzzian army.

Exploiting civilian lives for military purpose is a war crime, it is a fact, regardless of how advantageous that might be to any side. Specifically, violation of international humanitarian law (IHL) principles of distinction. I.E. military cannot hide between civilians to confuse the enemy. So it'd be great if you could at least stop encouraging war crimes, or is it too much to ask?



I mentioned it earlier, but paxmao obviously could not calculate it, so here it is:

The energy of a 36-tonne mass hitting the ground at Mach 10 is approximately:

211.8 billion joules (211.8 × 10⁹ J),
Equivalent to 50.6 tonnes of TNT.

The addition of high explosives would seem to be a technical challenge due to re-entry protection issues, and less important than mass itself in transferring energy to a target.  The explosive energy would also possibly interfere and cancel out to a degree the kinetic energy delivery characteristics.  A simple tungsten rod would probably work best as well as being the easiest thing to do.

Seems that hypersonics would be primarily a digging tool useful in deeply fracturing material.  Having multiple attacks mixing in high precision devices which have a heaving effect (cleaning rubble out of the hole) could possibly be a method by which one could dig down to the guts of almost any bunker system.  Not to mention causing probably fatal effects on any humans trying to live underground in the area due simply to the shock effects.



Yeah i wonder why Russia would open up it's hand and show it's secret weapon that is capable to dig into earth at Mach 10  Huh must be an unsolvable mystery.

Now, moving on to completely not related news at all:

Ukraine’s gas storage helps Europe avert further energy crises

War-torn country’s tanks enable continent to keep its own facilities close to capacity
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They had turned to Ukraine, home to Europe’s largest tanks, to store their reserves earlier this year despite the war in the country following Russia’s full-scale invasion of 2022.
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“Ukraine is playing a key role for central and eastern Europe’s security of gas supply this winter,” said Natasha Fielding, head of European gas pricing at Argus Media, a price reporting agency.

Calling on gas stored in Ukraine “helps Europe to keep its domestic stockpiles high, reducing the risk of sites nearly emptying over any sustained cold in late winter”, she said.

Ukraine has more gas storage capacity than any country in the EU, a legacy of its role as a critical transit country for Russian pipeline gas, which accounted for nearly 40 per cent of the EU’s gas supplies before the invasion.
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Ukraine emerged as an alternative for holding gas destined for neighbouring states as storage sites in the EU reached near maximum capacity as early as mid-October.

The country also offered incentives such as cheap storage tariffs and custom duty exemptions for three years, allowing gas to be easily reimported to the EU as Kyiv seeks to further integrate itself into the bloc’s energy market.
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Most tanks in the country sit deep underground in western Ukraine, far from the front lines, and Kyiv has offered up to 10bn cubic metres, a third of national capacity, to foreign customers. That adds to the 115 bcm of existing storage capacity in the EU.
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Companies began taking gas out of Ukrainian storage in early November, with net withdrawals averaging around 10.7mn cubic metres per day, according to Argus Media. That pace accelerated amid a cold snap in December, with net drawdowns nearly doubling to an average of 26 mcm daily until mid-December.
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Withdrawals from Ukrainian storage were “definitely helping keep European storage around the 90 per cent region”, said Nikoline Bromander, senior analyst at Rystad Energy.

Keeping these levels high during the winter months is important because it affects the level of difficulty the EU would face in refilling storage during summer, ahead of the following winter.
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Rystad forecast that barring major supply disruptions, and if demand continues at current subdued levels, the EU will be left with 80 bcm of gas in storage at the end of March, or about 70 per cent capacity.

“Europe is in a quite healthy position,” Bromander said.



Gas storage and transition were off limits while gas flowed through Ukraine, now Ukraine decided to change the rules, good thing those storage facilities are deep under ground and cannot be easily blown up by some drone  Roll Eyes


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legendary
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January 15, 2025, 09:36:30 AM
Zelensky did figure out what to do next: carry out the largest drone strike ever in the war, reaching industrial and military targets all over Ruzzia, including the Engels airbase and several factories of dual use and camouflaged used.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-strikes-russia-with-massive-drone-atacms-attack-russian-telegram-2025-01-14/

This adds to the kind of everydays new of strikes in expensive infrastructure, to which Ruzzia (and lately a Chinesse ship) are responding by using "civil" ships to damage cables and infrastructure that is not relevant to Ukraine... as usual, making sense is not a priority.

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he Ukrainian General Staff said it had struck as deep as 1,100 km (680 miles) inside Russia, targeting oil storage, refinery, chemical and ammunition plants in the Bryansk, Saratov, Tula and Tatarstan regions.

If you are looking for a safe spot in Ruzzia... maybe Kamchatka? Oh, and about the Kremlin using people's funds deposited in banks to finance the war... I would not worry about. Mostly because my funds are not there.
legendary
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January 13, 2025, 09:44:38 PM
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Zelensky is going nuts trying to figure out what to do next. Will he try biting himself in the forehead?
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Another coke binge perhaps?  Just a friendly suggestion for the little green goblin.


I wonder if Mrs. Z is down to Argentina setting things up for when Z has to flee Ukraine. True, the political climate down there is way different than at the time of Hitler. Do you think Milei will remain true for a couple billion USD in bribes?


I don't think it would take anything.  Milei seems to be utterly consumed by his fetish for Talmudic/Kabbalahistic Jews.  So much so that the first thing he did upon being selected to run Argentina was to hustle his ass over to the 'promised land' to dry-hump the wall (and God only knows what other weird shit.)  Then he found his inner Jewishness through is grand-daddy or something.  I would be surprised if Milei wasn't falling all over himself to arrange for the Zelensky to get as close as possible to him.  But the little green goblin has houses all over the world and moved his family to Israel for protection years ago so he doesn't really need Milei.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NXzKJkwE6k

legendary
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January 13, 2025, 07:18:56 PM
^^^ The Russian banking system is similar in a lot of ways to the Western banking system. This was implemented like this in Russia so that Russia could do business with the West. Then the West did the sanctions, and stole Russian money on top of it. So, what good is a western style of banking system to Russia now? They might be collapsing their banking system on purpose.

The fact of BRICS ready to be implemented, but simply waiting for Trump, is a sign that the banking system doesn't matter to Russia so much. When you couple with that, that Russia and China have both been hording gold and silver for some time, you can easily see that Russia isn't worried about Western ways.

In other words, as long as you understand Russia by Western standards, you are going to be missing a lot. Russian standards are simply anything that works in Russian ways. Think like Russians, and you will see that they aren't making as many mistakes as might look like from a Western view.

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January 13, 2025, 06:55:37 PM

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Perhaps you are super professional a these things. Even if you are, it means nothing. Anything Ukraine and the US can do, Russia can do just as well.

Talking about how to protect one's self doesn't mean promoting war. Russian Oreshnik and others can reach the US. It's simply considerations of what they might or might not do.

Your technical figures don't mean anything because there are other options for Russia with them. Sure, consider everything that you can. But it means little until you can get into the minds of the Russian leaders.

The point is that Russia, using Oreshnik like they did in Dnipro, means Kiev wipe-out with only one more virtually unstoppable Oreshik. We don't see Ukraine making any big moves that might invite such an attack. Maybe next week. But not yet. They are taking it to heart.

Then, besides all this, Trump is coming. So, the whole Ukraine thing might simply shut down in a month or two. Zelensky is like a wild cannon with all that power, and you don't really want him to tease the bear too much, do you? I mean, the UK would be next after Ukraine... maybe even first, before Ukraine.

Wake up. Russia responded in a big way at least twice, now. Next time might be a REALLY big way. Do you really think you or your AI are guessing right? Are you ready to take that chance?

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Nope, that is not true. Ruzzia is a hopless nation. It went from leading the USSR to becoming "the second best army in Ukraine". Ruzzias technology, economy and industrial capabilities are not even close to those that the USSR had and are miles away from - not the US - but even away from the GDP, innovation and political power of many European countries.

Ruzzia can put up some fireworks and call it a missile - that is where it is now.

To be honest, it is quite good for Europe that Ruzzia self-demilitarises in an useless war (sorry for the Ukrainians that bear the brunt of it). It is much easier to keep peace when the Ruzzian army stocks of tanks are to 1/4.

Seems that Trump wouldn't agree with you.
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That's a good sign - however he has recently stated that the war in Ukraine is more complex to solve that a call and a handshake. He miscalculated (maybe on purpose) the degree o derrangement in Putin's septuagenarian brain.

There is a recent report on Ruzzia's hidden debt. The war effor is sucking up credit and the central bank is no longer trying to estabilise the inflation.

https://navigatingrussia.substack.com/p/russias-hidden-war-debt

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...the Kremlin has been compelling Russian banks to extend preferential loans to war-related businesses on terms set by the state. Since mid-2022, this off-budget financing scheme has helped drive an unprecedented $415 billion surge in overall corporate borrowing. This report estimates that $210 to $250 billion of this surge consists of compulsory,...

There is clear evidence of Putin forcing the banks to assume the cost of the war by lending money that is going to become bad debt. The whole Ruzzian banking system may collapse and I am not a friend of hyperboles.

legendary
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January 13, 2025, 06:40:14 PM
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Zelensky is going nuts trying to figure out what to do next. Will he try biting himself in the forehead?
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Another coke binge perhaps?  Just a friendly suggestion for the little green goblin.



I wonder if Mrs. Z is down to Argentina setting things up for when Z has to flee Ukraine. True, the political climate down there is way different than at the time of Hitler. Do you think Milei will remain true for a couple billion USD in bribes?

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legendary
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January 13, 2025, 05:03:53 PM
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Zelensky is going nuts trying to figure out what to do next. Will he try biting himself in the forehead?
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Another coke binge perhaps?  Just a friendly suggestion for the little green goblin.

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