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legendary
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I'm so shocked! Ukraine hasn't stopped its attacks that they have been doing since at least 2014. And when Russia strikes back to protect itself, its all Russia's fault, right? Stupid.
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Ukraine has not stopped retaliating against specific targets, all military, that have been complicit if not promoters of war crimes. Ukraine has never attacked Ruzzia in their sovereign territory until later in the war and all attacks are clearly justified by the actions of Ruzzia and the military strategy required to preserve Ukraines sovereignty.

I believe that absolutely nobody thinks as of now that Ukraine is not the agressor. The oil industry targetting seems to be doing quite well lately.

Even standard Russian and Ukrainian history shows that Ukraine attacked first, and continually, until Russia had to do something about it.

Internet. Russian Internet shows the opposite of Western Internet. You need to go back in history to see what has been going on for a long time.

Ukraine's little 2014 attacks into Russia, and into Ukrainian areas that had a lot of Russians in them, was never something that was instigated by Russians. The whole thing was perpetrated by the West in their constant push to steal Russia and Siberia from the Russians. It goes all the way back to the times before the Bolshevik Revolution.

Who Financed the Bolsheviks? - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Who+Financed+the+Bolsheviks%3F&ia=web

Ukraine is simply the latest, greatest push to steal Russia from Russians. And all it is doing is to kill off a bunch of Ukrainians, and a few Russians. And you seem to want to hide this truth right along with the Internet propagandists. What? Got shares in war manufacturing?

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legendary
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I'm so shocked! Ukraine hasn't stopped its attacks that they have been doing since at least 2014. And when Russia strikes back to protect itself, its all Russia's fault, right? Stupid.
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Ukraine has not stopped retaliating against specific targets, all military, that have been complicit if not promoters of war crimes. Ukraine has never attacked Ruzzia in their sovereign territory until later in the war and all attacks are clearly justified by the actions of Ruzzia and the military strategy required to preserve Ukraines sovereignty.

I believe that absolutely nobody thinks as of now that Ukraine is not the agressor. The oil industry targetting seems to be doing quite well lately.
legendary
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December 20, 2024, 08:20:21 PM
I'm so shocked! Ukraine hasn't stopped its attacks that they have been doing since at least 2014. And when Russia strikes back to protect itself, its all Russia's fault, right? Stupid.

Maybe those countries that have embassies in Ukraine will think about moving them out of Ukraine. It isn't worth having your embassy blasted to pieces because of Zelensky's stupidity, is it?


Six Embassies Damaged In 'Barbaric' Russian Attack On Kiev



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/six-embassies-damaged-barbaric-russian-attack-kiev#google_vignette
Russia said in the aftermath that swift and appropriate retaliation would come, and already Friday morning it appears Moscow has made good on its threat.

Significantly, major Russian missile barrages have targeted the capital of Kiev. At least one person was killed in the attack, which also damaged a number of foreign embassies. A dozen other people were injured in these strikes.

The Kyiv City Military Administration said that the Albanian, Argentinian, North Macedonian, Palestinian, Portuguese and Montenegrin embassies were damaged in the attack. It appears they were all housed in one large building.

Ukraine's foreign ministry called the attack "barbaric" after severe destruction in some districts, including an area which saw a gas pipeline damaged and five cars catch fire. Five among the injured have been hospitalized.

Portugal, whose diplomatic mission was among those hit, summoned the Russian ambassador to condemn the assault and damage. "It is absolutely unacceptable that any attack should target or have an impact on diplomatic premises," the Portuguese government said in a written statement.

The Kremlin has specified that it was direct retaliation for the Thursday attacks on Rostov using Western weapons:

The city's authorities claim Russia used a combination of Kinzhal ballistic missiles and either Iskander-M or KN-23 systems.

The Russian defence ministry, meanwhile, claimed the attack was a response to Kyiv's strike on the Kamensky Combine in Russia's Rostov region and said Moscow forces had launched a strike with long-range precision weapons targeting the Ukrainian security service's command post and the Kyiv Luch design bureau, which develops various anti-aircraft and missile systems.

Moscow has repeatedly warned that it could begin targeting "decision-making centers" in Ukraine as a result of the US greenlighting long-range strikes on Russian territory utilizing Western weapons.

During Thursday remarks before the annual press Q&A with the Russian president, Putin warned that more Oreshnik hypersonic ballistic missiles could be used, emphasizing that there is no defense against them. He further warned that if the West and US want to test Russia's red lines, then some kind of missile "duel" could happen.

"Let them propose… some kind of technological experiment – a kind of high-tech duel of the 21st century, let's say," Putin proposed at the Moscow event.

"Let them name some object, let's say, in Kyiv, concentrate all their air defense and missile defense forces there, and we will hit it with Oreshnik and see what happens. We are ready for such an experiment. Is the other side ready?" he posed threateningly.
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sr. member
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December 19, 2024, 04:04:45 AM
This is the type of leaders the collective West likes the most:

https://www.unian.ua/politics/poroshenko-zaroblyaye-na-donatah-ukrajinciv-dvichi-kupuye-obligaciji-ta-prokruchuye-cherez-sviy-bank-zmi-12856380.html

Of course, sometime in the future there will be sudden revelation about this in the west, too, and they will
froze (I mean, steal) his money (actually Ukrainian people money) never to return it
newbie
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December 19, 2024, 03:11:05 AM
Remember Russian general who was talking about combat mosquitos and American laboratories in Ukraine? Well, he was exploded tonight in Moscow:
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/explosion-in-moscow-kills-russian-general-linked-to-chemical-attacks/
Not for the first time in this war I'm amazed how long hands of Ukrainian SBU is, it reminds me Mossad. If you're somehow related with war, even being so far away from front line you can't feel safe.


Are you saying that there was truth in what he was saying and investigating?

I mean, if it was just foolish babbling, it would be better to let him alive, wouldn't it?

Nope, what that general did was to allow and promote the use of chenical weapons in Ukraine. The thing about psychopats  like this one is that they do not care about others and cannot feel empathy, so they are very prone to join institutions like the Ruzzian army which offers the perfect ground to do whatever their wildest sadistic imagination can create.

However, they also understand perfectly well a threat against themselves - they are sadic, but do not like it when it comes their way. I am sure many other psychos in the Ruzzian army get the message perfectly well now: If you try terror and crimes against humanity, forget the international court, judgement happens here and now, at your door step.

https://www.politico.eu/cdn-cgi/image/width=1024,quality=80,onerror=redirect,format=auto/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/17/GettyImages-2189829934-scaled.jpg

And BTW, there is not deadline on when sentence will be passed.

This is the best article on the topic, but it is behind a paywall https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/09/05/inside-ukraines-assassination-programme

A natural result of aggression, why are they offended and angry? Cause-and-effect relationships must be understood.
legendary
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December 18, 2024, 05:51:29 PM
Are you saying that there was truth in what he was saying and investigating?

I mean, if it was just foolish babbling, it would be better to let him alive, wouldn't it?
Only you can draw such correlation. Ukraine charged him for mass use of banned chemical weapons, he was responsible for it.
https://youtu.be/t1XFcONNcng?si=E3o8O3uD9CiSAN2o
That was powerful explosion. Lesson to Russian generals - don't get close to electroc scooters.

Well, it's good that somebody draws a correlation like this. Thank you for understanding and agreeing  with it.

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legendary
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December 18, 2024, 04:32:38 PM
Are you saying that there was truth in what he was saying and investigating?

I mean, if it was just foolish babbling, it would be better to let him alive, wouldn't it?
Only you can draw such correlation. Ukraine charged him for mass use of banned chemical weapons, he was responsible for it.
https://youtu.be/t1XFcONNcng?si=E3o8O3uD9CiSAN2o
That was powerful explosion. Lesson to Russian generals - don't get close to electroc scooters.
sr. member
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December 18, 2024, 08:51:14 AM


And BTW, there is not deadline on when sentence will be passed.

This is the best article on the topic, but it is behind a paywall https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/09/05/inside-ukraines-assassination-programme

Lol, the economist...right there with Forbes and Bloomberg, mere CIA propaganda asset.

Anyway, you conventionally skipped my previous post, so i did calculation for you:

36 tonnes at Mach 10 brings about 50 tons of TNT effect...not nearly as strong
as Hiroshima or Nagasaki nuke, but I still would not like to be where it drops.
How about you?

I mean, you're jerking off about 300 grams of TNT that killed Kirilov and prevented/postponed for a while
his Ukraine biolabs investigation, and this is 50 TONNES!
legendary
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December 18, 2024, 08:31:31 AM
Remember Russian general who was talking about combat mosquitos and American laboratories in Ukraine? Well, he was exploded tonight in Moscow:
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/explosion-in-moscow-kills-russian-general-linked-to-chemical-attacks/
Not for the first time in this war I'm amazed how long hands of Ukrainian SBU is, it reminds me Mossad. If you're somehow related with war, even being so far away from front line you can't feel safe.


Are you saying that there was truth in what he was saying and investigating?

I mean, if it was just foolish babbling, it would be better to let him alive, wouldn't it?

Nope, what that general did was to allow and promote the use of chenical weapons in Ukraine. The thing about psychopats  like this one is that they do not care about others and cannot feel empathy, so they are very prone to join institutions like the Ruzzian army which offers the perfect ground to do whatever their wildest sadistic imagination can create.

However, they also understand perfectly well a threat against themselves - they are sadic, but do not like it when it comes their way. I am sure many other psychos in the Ruzzian army get the message perfectly well now: If you try terror and crimes against humanity, forget the international court, judgement happens here and now, at your door step.



And BTW, there is not deadline on when sentence will be passed.

This is the best article on the topic, but it is behind a paywall https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/09/05/inside-ukraines-assassination-programme
jr. member
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December 18, 2024, 02:08:50 AM
Remember Russian general who was talking about combat mosquitos and American laboratories in Ukraine? Well, he was exploded tonight in Moscow:
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/explosion-in-moscow-kills-russian-general-linked-to-chemical-attacks/
Not for the first time in this war I'm amazed how long hands of Ukrainian SBU is, it reminds me Mossad. If you're somehow related with war, even being so far away from front line you can't feel safe.

He deservedly died as an occupier, he should have done better.
sr. member
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December 17, 2024, 06:43:25 PM
Remember Russian general who was talking about combat mosquitos and American laboratories in Ukraine? Well, he was exploded tonight in Moscow:
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/explosion-in-moscow-kills-russian-general-linked-to-chemical-attacks/
Not for the first time in this war I'm amazed how long hands of Ukrainian SBU is, it reminds me Mossad. If you're somehow related with war, even being so far away from front line you can't feel safe.


Are you saying that there was truth in what he was saying and investigating?

I mean, if it was just foolish babbling, it would be better to let him alive, wouldn't it?
legendary
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Slava Ukraini!
December 17, 2024, 03:51:39 PM
Remember Russian general who was talking about combat mosquitos and American laboratories in Ukraine? Well, he was exploded tonight in Moscow:
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/explosion-in-moscow-kills-russian-general-linked-to-chemical-attacks/
Not for the first time in this war I'm amazed how long hands of Ukrainian SBU is, it reminds me Mossad. If you're somehow related with war, even being so far away from front line you can't feel safe.
sr. member
Activity: 2674
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December 17, 2024, 06:17:50 AM

Now Branko, please, damage assessment of a chunk of metal falling randomly on a city.


Yes trust that *wink wink*. BTW again the Trident is an american missile... as old and reliable as rain and taxes.

UK used to have lots of great physicists, but sadly it seems they don't teach physics in school anymore.
But in case there is some old teacher left nearby, go ask him to calculate energy of 36 tonnes
arriving at you at Mach 10
newbie
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December 17, 2024, 04:39:51 AM
If the regime cannot be removed from inside Russia, then Ukraine and the West will help, I think so.
legendary
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December 17, 2024, 04:24:31 AM
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Ukrainians created good missiles, of course, not without the help of the West, but still good ones. Are there any characteristics of them somewhere, or is it still a secret?
If you're asking about most recent missile-drone Peklo, here you go:
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/the_ukrainian_peklo_cruise_missile_or_missile_drone_what_can_be_inferred_from_photos_regarding_its_characteristics_and_capabilities-12772.html
According to public information, it's range is about 700km and speed is up to 700 km/h with warhead up to 50kg.
It's all cool, but main issue is mass production. Ukraine is capable to make quality drones and missiles, but they can't produce significant number of it.

Just for some perspective,  here's the specs on the 80 year old piston engine Mosquito from WW-II:

Max Speed:  668 km/h  (comp. 700km/h)
Range:          2100 km   (comp. 700km)
Bomb Load:  1800kg     (comp. 50kg)

True, the range goes down significantly with a full bomb load, but the numbers are so dominating that a pretty healthy adjustment could be made.

I'll go with the Oreshnik, thank you very much.



That is ballpark correct. You should be asking yourself how a "mosquito", not even that, but rather a recreational plane has gone all the way to an Ahmad camp hundreds of miles and f*ed. It is a simple solution but it is enough because Ruzzia simply does not have enough equipment to cover all the critical targets.

So, you rebranded missile "Orezznik" will make either a doomsday nuclear strike, followed by retalation, or a few random holes in the ground. The cheap, humble propeller plane with some home-made chunk of high explosive with put out of commission a multi-billion oil facility.

I really hope that your handlers and the generals go for the "orezznik". It simply would take a radical mentality swing to change the way the Ruzzian army thinks, too much for the old psichopaths on top.

legendary
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December 16, 2024, 07:40:46 PM
History is showing that it was the US following the years after the dissolution of the USSR, who broke agreements and is causing the war in Ukraine.


The Long Train of Abuses that Culminated in the Ukraine War



https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/the-long-train-of-abuses-that-culminated-in-the-ukraine-war/
But within that sphere, Horton is a fox, weaving an encyclopedic knowledge of various conflicts into an elaborate and convincing tapestry that indicts elites, intellectuals, the military-industrial complex, and—with characteristic vitriol—neoconservatives in pushing the US toward unnecessary wars.

Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine, fits this mold to a tee—not because Horton contorts facts to a preconceived narrative. Rather, because it is often the same people pushing conflict after conflict who, unsurprisingly, resort to the same, well-worn playbook. Horton's tome is riveting, from beginning to end. Here, I will focus on the early post-Cold War years, since this part of the story is oft-neglected in contemporary debates about the origins of the Ukraine war.

With the closing of the Cold War, and the USSR dissolving, the U.S. faced a crisis of success: what use is the NATO military alliance without the Soviet enemy to align against? More broadly, what grand strategy should the US adopt now that containing communism was obsolete? For neoconservatives, whose answer post-Cold War was benevolent global hegemony, the solution was to adapt NATO. NATO must gradually absorb more European nations, while leaving Russia out in the cold—contained and encircled, in an even worse position than during the Cold War. NATO must expand its mission to keep European peace and expand Western democracy, or wither on the vine.

From George H.W. Bush to today, the record meticulously compiled by Horton demonstrates that U.S. and other Western leaders communicated to Russia leaders and officials that NATO would not expand east—and could even allow for Russian membership in NATO. Various efforts like the Partnership for Peace and the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe were promoted to foster this impression that Russia would be included in European affairs, alliances, and institutions, rather than these structures aligning against them. All the while, these same US and Western leaders took virtually the opposite positions internally, with the result that the US willfully misled the Russians. The exact internal and external postures waxed and waned over the years, but this ultimate pattern held firm. This was even though, all along, Russian officials warned about how they and the Russian people would react to NATO advancing east. What we see is, in terms with which Americans are well-familiar, "a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object."
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The US, and particularly the Biden Administration, is pushing Russia into what might be WW3. If Putin somehow can hold off on the retaliation long enough for Trump to get in, things might change enough to save us all.


Putin: West Pushing Russia BEYOND 'Red Line'



https://www.infowars.com/posts/putin-west-pushing-russia-beyond-red-line
"The tactic is very simple: they push us to 'a red line', from which we can not retreat, we start to respond and then they immediately scare their population – in the old days it was with the Soviet threat and now it's with the Russian threat," Putin said Monday, according to the Huffington Post.

The Russian President also discussed plans by the U.S. to deploy more advanced missile systems near Russian borders, also stating that some of this deployment is already underway.

"The U.S. activity to create and prepare for the deployment of ground-based high-accuracy strike weapons with a range of up to 5,500 kilometers in forward zones is worrisome," Putin said Monday according to TASS (the Russian News Agency).

"The essence of what the U.S. is trying to do with regard to Russia is to push it to its red line and then scare the American people with claims of a Russian threat," TASS (the Russian News Agency) said Monday.

In a hubris-filled article by The Atlantic Council, Russia's red lines were mocked in flagrant disregard to the risk of world-ending nuclear conflict.

"One last positive point here: Politics is rich with irony, and the U.S. debate on Russian aggression in Ukraine is no exception. The reason for Biden's timidity was that Putin got into his head with his nuclear threats, even as Ukraine and the West moved past numerous Kremlin 'red lines' with no sight of a mushroom cloud on the horizon," The Atlantic Council said November 18.

Regardless of Western outlets and think tanks flirting with ending the world in a game of 'poke the bear', Russia claims it may be forced to respond.

The West has already stepped over previous Russian red lines without yet being nuked, such as invading Russia with Ukraine and allowing Ukraine to strike Russia with long-range missiles.

"The West's support for Ukraine is pushing Russia to the point where it cannot help but retaliate," RT said Monday, summarizing Putin's statements.

On November 19 Ukraine began launching U.S.-made long-range missiles deep into Russia under the approval and guidance of the lame-duck Joe Biden administration, a move that Russia now allows a nuclear retaliation to. These events followed a Russian warning to the West against such actions.
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legendary
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December 16, 2024, 06:10:12 PM
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Ukrainians created good missiles, of course, not without the help of the West, but still good ones. Are there any characteristics of them somewhere, or is it still a secret?
If you're asking about most recent missile-drone Peklo, here you go:
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/the_ukrainian_peklo_cruise_missile_or_missile_drone_what_can_be_inferred_from_photos_regarding_its_characteristics_and_capabilities-12772.html
According to public information, it's range is about 700km and speed is up to 700 km/h with warhead up to 50kg.
It's all cool, but main issue is mass production. Ukraine is capable to make quality drones and missiles, but they can't produce significant number of it.

Just for some perspective,  here's the specs on the 80 year old piston engine Mosquito from WW-II:

Max Speed:  668 km/h  (comp. 700km/h)
Range:          2100 km   (comp. 700km)
Bomb Load:  1800kg     (comp. 50kg)

True, the range goes down significantly with a full bomb load, but the numbers are so dominating that a pretty healthy adjustment could be made.

I'll go with the Oreshnik, thank you very much.

legendary
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December 16, 2024, 03:27:28 PM
It's cool that Grozny was bombed today, I'm very glad that Kadyrov is angry Cheesy
Seems that they don't have air defence in Grozny as they triedvto shoot down drone with a riffle.
Unfortunately, it seems that this plane/drone didn't hit important target and didn't made much damage.

Ukrainians created good missiles, of course, not without the help of the West, but still good ones. Are there any characteristics of them somewhere, or is it still a secret?
If you're asking about most recent missile-drone Peklo, here you go:
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/the_ukrainian_peklo_cruise_missile_or_missile_drone_what_can_be_inferred_from_photos_regarding_its_characteristics_and_capabilities-12772.html
According to public information, it's range is about 700km and speed is up to 700 km/h with warhead up to 50kg.
It's all cool, but main issue is mass production. Ukraine is capable to make quality drones and missiles, but they can't produce significant number of it.
newbie
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December 16, 2024, 05:22:56 AM
Ukrainians created good missiles, of course, not without the help of the West, but still good ones. Are there any characteristics of them somewhere, or is it still a secret?
legendary
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December 15, 2024, 08:05:31 PM
Here we go again. Will Ukraine never learn that they are going to be destroyed if they keep 'teasing' Russia like this? Will Russia in retaliation take Kiev out this time? Pretty soon it won't matter if this is a war between Ukraine and Russia, or if it's between the US and Russia. The US might want it to look like Russia is the bad guy. But it won't matte if Russia has to protect itself.


ONE MORE TIME: Ukraine strikes Russia again with U.S.-made ATACMS missiles, escalating tensions



https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-12-15-ukraine-strikes-russia-with-atacms-missiles-again.html
    Ukraine used U.S.-supplied ATACMS long-range missiles to target a military airfield in Taganrog, Russia, on Dec. 11, escalating tensions between the two countries.

    The attack injured Russian servicemen and caused damage to administrative buildings, vehicles and an industrial site in the region, with several cars burned.

    Out of six missiles, two were intercepted and destroyed. Russia's electronic warfare capabilities disrupted the remaining four, causing them to miss the intended target, resulting in minor damage.

    The Russian Defense Ministry warned of a firm retaliation against the "Western long-range weapons" attack, stating that it will not go unanswered.

    The use of ATACMS missiles, capable of carrying nuclear payloads, has heightened international concern. Russia’s threats of nuclear retaliation have increased the risk of a broader conflict, emphasizing the need for diplomatic resolutions.

In a dramatic turn of events, Ukraine has once more launched a missile strike against Russian territory using United States-supplied ATACMS long-range systems.

The attack Wednesday, Dec. 11, targeted a military airfield in Taganrog, a southern Russian city, and further escalates tensions between the warring nations. According to the Russian Ministry of Defense (MOD), six ATACMS missiles were involved in the assault. While two of the missiles were intercepted and destroyed, the remaining four were reportedly disrupted by Russia's electronic warfare capabilities, causing them to deviate from their intended target.

Despite the apparent defense measures, the attack resulted in minor damage, with shrapnel from falling debris hitting two administrative buildings and several vehicles on the airfield. Acting Rostov Region Gov. Yury Slyusar provided additional details, confirming that the missiles also struck an industrial site in the region, where some 15 cars in the parking lot were burned.

The incident has sparked heated reactions both in Russia and internationally, as the U.S. and Ukraine move closer to the brink of a more severe conflict. Photographs released in the aftermath of the attack show damaged buildings and scattered debris, adding a stark visual testimony to the volatile nature of the ongoing conflict. Although the scale of casualties remains unclear, it was reported that Russian servicemen sustained injuries, underscoring the human cost of the exchange.

Russian Defense Ministry vows firm retaliation
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