Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] (Read 73192 times)

The biggest issue with such logic is that you're (either intentionally or naively) ignoring the consequences. What you're essentially saying is that you're ok with a global precedence where a nuclear power can provide advance weaponry and advisors/support team to provide targeting, to a third country to attack another nuclear power. Are you sure that you've completely thought this through and are ok with what the possible consequences of this in the future? From top of my head, why wouldn't RU send ballistics to Syria and Yemen, who's gonna stop them, and how, threaten RU back with nukes so that they don't? Idiots are getting us to a point of both sides threatening each other with nukes, and then the other idiots on both sides are cheering this.

Sucks, but can't say it's unexpected, history shows that we have to once again reach a pinnacle in escalation before we realize that we'll kill each other and can deescalate.

Lol. Where have you been? All anybody need do is look at a war map to see who controls what part of the Black Sea Corridor.

You are right. I mixed the two up. It is the Poseidon torpedo, which is a reality, and could take the UK out any time Putin wanted to use it.

The thing you like to do is focus on tiny points to take people's eyes off the whole picture. Ukraine is like the mouse, cornered by the cat (Russia) and has almost no strength left to fight. Russia is just playing with Ukraine.

The concept of analyzing current events and using the analyses to make predictions about future events is, I've found, nearly impossible to explain to normies.  That's one of the reason why most normies never get anywhere financially or in almost any other way.  They live their lives pay-check to pay-check and are typically plowed under before their expected lifespan after being damaged by elements of the corp/gov plantation system never having the foggiest clue about what's going on...and never giving a damn anyway.

Nobody I can think of is competent for me to listen to about almost anything, and certainly not something as complex as the geo-politics surrounding the Russian SMO.  Sure, I've got sources who I pay more attention to in order to understand objective reality.  On the other end of the spectrum there is an ocean of propaganda which is also worth paying some attention to so I know what is going on in hive mind of the low-info classes (e.g., nutildah).  That information is also valuable in formulating predictions to make use of in structuring my own life.

It blows me away that the typical mainstream media sources who, several years ago, were circulating stories about the Russians fighting with shovels are still credible to people like yourself.  But there it is.  Shrug.

Ukraine is using the corridor since months ago BA, it is open and in full business since two years ago. Putin is giving the image of a leader that does not care about loses and his only strategy has been doubling down on every mistake.

If you look at the history of Ukraine you will see that Lithuania, Ukrainia and Moscow have swaped positions of power and control many times.

You are confusing the so called Satan with a theoretical nuclear torpedo, but it is a well debunked myth that tsunamis can be produced with it.

All you have posted here is pure shit BA. Your head is not empty, it actually contains a unique powerful magnets that attracts cow shit like Trump attracts moths.

A missile goes along smoothly, pooping out hot air, until the end of its trajectory, when there is a blast. I respect the idea that Putin might be waiting for Trump. The question is, how long will he wait? Will he wait until Russia is destroyed by the West's missiles in the next two months until Trump takes office?

Russia is giving the image of a strong leader. After all, Ukraine not only has been unable to take the Black Sea Corridor back, but they are losing ground every day in the war, and they are using old guys and kids for their military because they have run out of real fighting soldiers long ago. Ukraine shooting missiles into Russia is their last fighting resort.

When you look at the history of Ukraine, Ukraine has always been a puppet country, controlled by some other country. In fact, that was part of the reason why it was set up as a country in the first place. This war is sorta like a civil war... like a sassy child pushing back against a parent. For a while it looked like the sassy child had grown up. But then it accepted Western control, and now it is going to die.... unless Trump lets Putin stabilize the area. In that case, Zelensky might be spared to go back to his old naked comedian job.

However, regarding the UK, 90% of it would be gone in one hour if Putin launched a couple of his underwater Satan II nuclear missiles Off the UK coast. The tsunami tidal wave that would follow would wash right across the UK. Yet the UK leaders want to go right on teasing Putin. Super-stupid.

It is just BA's land talk. There is not even the basic level of rational thinking behind any of what he has posted. Putin has nothing to win using nuclear weapons when Trump is about to take over the US in January, in his mind Putin is a pacifist, the UK (a nuclear power) won't last a week... etc.

It seems that US and UK leaders (in BA land this people know less than him) are doing exactly the opposite of what he says... but again, they do not live in BA land.

This night will be bad, there will be vampires flying, but this year it will be in both directions.


Not his fault, he seems to be the product of the Texas public education system.

The weird thing (other than the war affects your life in no tangible way, whatsoever) is that you didn't actually articulate a single original opinion in your post. Its just a mishmash of b.s. from propaganda sources that already resonated with your brain. You're basically a human zombie tentacle of a Russian propaganda botnet. You believe you have free will and your own opinions, but your words suggest otherwise.

At this point I think putin is mostly hot air when comes to the possibility of using nuclear weaponry against Ukraine, to be honest. If he does it would only be a sign of his despair to continue to hold onto power, as he is getting humiliated by each year that passes by and has not been able to take over Ukraine as he expected.
As it stands today, Russia is hoping for Trump to pressure Ukraine to give up and stop the war.

the established power in Russia needs to continuously give this image of having a strong and invincible leader to the rest of the world, specially the west, not winning the war against Ukraine would put the strength of Russia and Putin in question.
The relatively recent visit Putin had in North Korea was a sign of weakness, as well.

Whatever... Using long range missils to attack military bases and ammo deposits in Russia sounds rather fair play to me, keeping in mind the crises against humanity Russia has committed in Ukraine and against civilians.

Just be happy that peaceful-Putin is running Russia. Millions of Russians want Stalin back, because he got things done. Russia would have taken back the rest of its lands from Ukraine long ago if Stalin were still there. And the more that Ukraine attacks into Russia, the more Russians want Stalin back.

If you are smart, you will pray that nothing happens to Putin. Because if something does, Russia just might get Stalin back - Medvedev. If that happens, Ukraine might not last a day. And the UK won't last a week.

The US leaders are betting that Russia won't use nukes. But are they betting on what they will do if Putin does?

There is no escalation. Ukraine was hitting oil facilities, weapons depots, airfields and anything else that they could to prevent Ruzzia from killing Ukrainians, freezing their cities and committing further war crimes. The fact that they are using weapon 1, 2 or 3 does not escalate anything.

I am still absolutely amazed at the narrative by which Ruzzia can celebrate a barrage of khinzals, saheds and all other variety of long range weapons, many of them provided by other nations, that they have employed since the beginning of the war and somehow if Ukraine responds in kind it is "escalation".

There is no escalation, there is just a weapon that will make things harder for Ruzzia and make their aviation much more vulnerable and will waste the flight hours of their airframes faster. Again, if Ruzzia does not like it, they can go back to their original borders.

BTW, Ukraine has shown a great level of restrain in hitting just an ammo depot. I would have gone for the oil exporting terminals, the problem of expensive oil would be Trump's anyway and he is so "shhmaaart" that would solve it in "48 minutes".

Russian inflation and other economic problems are small when compared with what is happening in the West, and has been happening there for a long time, now. But the biggest advantage Russia has is its sophisticated defense system, which protected Russia from by far the largest part of the recent US ATACMS attack by Ukraine.

The below article is extremely eyeopening.


Is This The Secret Reason Why Long-Range Missiles Have Been Fired Deep Into Russian Territory?

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http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/is-this-the-secret-reason-why-long-range-missiles-have-been-fired-deep-into-russian-territory/
When it comes to the world of geopolitics, there is always far more going on than meets the eye.  The long-range missiles that Ukraine is now firing deep into Russian territory are not going to change the course of the war.  But the Russian response to those long-range missiles might.  Hopefully the Russians will show restraint, because they may not even realize that they are being led into a trap.

Just two days after Joe Biden gave the green light, Ukraine fired six ATACMS missiles deep into Russian territory on Tuesday…

Ukraine hit a Russian weapons arsenal with US-made ATACMS missiles that it fired across the border for the first time, according to two US officials, in a major escalation on the 1,000th day of war.

The attack comes just two days after the Biden administration gave Kyiv the green light to use the longer-range American weapons against targets inside Russia.

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You are late by two days.

A major attack by the Russian occupiers on Ukraine is expected today.

And we have the first ATACAMS hit on an ammo depot in Ruzzia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpNNFbWFQ34

It does not look like interceptions to me...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AfaowKcZQw4



Interesting theory... so Ruzzia has diminished greatly the huge risk of having the Ukrainian army nearby? Please, re-read what you have written or put some emojis if you intended it as a joke.

In fact, if peace is reached, there is a good chance that Ukraine will be armed to the teeth. Or maybe the US decides to give just enough, so that Ruzzia goes on a brilliant plan again and looses even more equipment like is happening now. Or does anyone have any doubt that Ruzzia would have been stopped if the US had decided that was what they wanted?

Let me tell you my view of what Ruzzia has achieved:

- A 21% interest rate.
- An 8% inflation.
- Thousands of military equipment objects destroyed.
- Having to call North Korea to supply shells and soldiers.
- Getting Putin declared war criminal, an effective travel ban.
- Selling oil at a discount to anyone else.

And do not try to rationalize it, the plan was Kiev in 3 days, now is Kursk in 3 years. You are going to need a lot of lying to yourself to get out of this one.

I care because this event is having a massive impact on the shape of global power, and thus, the world, going forward.

In most people's pea-brains, Putin want's a giant bag of Nazi to try to manage.  That is stupid beyond belief, especially since he never expressed such a desire, and the Russian activities have not suggested it in the slightest.  Yet.

What Russia is obtaining is:

 - Safety for the majority Russian-speaking populations of Ukraine which the Zio-nazis who took power in the 2014 color revolution made no bones about wishing to exterminate.  Unsurprisingly these people _voted_ heavily to join the Russian Federation.

 - A big chunk of some of the most resource-rich lands of 'recent' Ukraine back under Russian control.

 - A very degraded Ukrainian military which poses very diminished security concerns for Russia.  Plus carte-blanche to destroy anything new which shows up from the West.

 - Notable 'de-nazification' of the Ukrainian population (which is also about half the size that it was 3 years ago in full numbers.)

 - Rapid improvement of it's already formidable selection of weapons and techniques and an unmatched R&D environment in which to work.  The demonstration of superiority over pretty much everything NATO can supply to Ukraine is a huge selling point so all nations who are serious about defense (and offense) will be lining up around the block to stock up.

 - Massive increases in industrial manufacturing potential due to the war effort which can be re-tooled when things are over.

 - A terminal blow to the myth of Western military dominance which in turn is collapsing the USD.  Various factors are accelerating development of BRICS as a necessary replacement.

 - An expanding and tightening group of allies world-wide.

Time only improves the situation on almost all of these fronts for Russian.  The longer Russia can slow-walk things, the more every one of the above list will improve for them.  And the closer the 'Western Democracies' will be to total collapse as they lose material, morality, and flounder about in disorganized morass of fair-weather friends ready to stab one another in the back.

As best I can tell, all of these fortunes more or less fell into Putin's lap as opposed to being some sort of a brilliant plan.  Nobody could have predicted how jaw-droppingly stupid his adversaries could have been.  For this reason and other's, I continue to wonder if he really does have some 'deep assets' planted in the Western decision making centers (esp., in 'neocon' circles who have set the table for where we are now.)

All the above said, Russia cannot hold out forever as they have people dying as well, and need to cater to domestic pressures.  At some point time will not be on Russia's side.  If Putin is still around when this inflection point is reached I hope for the Russian's sake that he is level-headed enough to recognize it.  I personally can think of few people I would believe more likely to be able to do so based on what I can see of his actions and rhetoric.

However, Biden has promised to send as much money to Ukraine as he can before his term is up. Of course, it's up to Congress to give him the money. Will Congress follow through with Biden's demands, especially that Trump might somehow exact on them some form of 'punishment' if they do?

Biden made a promise 20-some years ago that he would conquer Russia, and use Ukraine to do it. This whole stupid war that has killed hundreds of thousands of troops is Biden trying to fulfill that promise... for himself if not for the nation. And the world has to put up with the results.

Somebody should remove Biden from office right now rather than waiting for the end of his term.

Crazy this war has been going for almost 3 years already. I didn't think Russia would keep it up for so long, as they apparently can't achieve any kind of a victory. Or at least enough of one for Putin to hang his hat on. The upside is nobody cares any more (unless you are Russian or Ukrainian). Certainly the markets don't care. This is a good thing.

Russia made it clear and inscribed it into their laws that if there is a grouping of nations which are collectively antagonistic to Russia, a response to an belligerent action will be taken against _any_ member of this group without regard to which one(s) largely produced the action.

This actually seems fairly reasonable to me.

The most obvious group is NATO.  American ATACMS landed deep within Russia, and very soon afterwards undersea cables between Germany and Scandanavia had some issues.

Knocking out some data cables is actually pretty weak-sauce and I would expect rapid escalation up to and including decimating regions which Russia might find problematic and/or may wish to integrate into their zones of control at some point.  Some of the Baltics would seem to fit the bill.

We have dyed-in-the-wool neo-crazies formulating policy and guiding a drooling idiot in charge of the execution of NATO activities at this time.  I would hope that Russia, in the interest of commendable behavior, would give some of these dink-states at least one opportunity to denounce and get the fuck out of NATO without delay.  I doubt that almost any of them would have signed up had they known that it was not a 'defensive' organization at all and would degenerate to engaging in suicidal behavior with their asses getting hit first.

I hope to hell that this insanity finally puts and end to NATO before they get us all killed.

Zelensky is threatening to make nuclear missiles to use against Russia. By the time he gets them made, Russia will have taken Ukraine completely over, and Putin will use the Ukraine missiles on the UK.

Back in 1990 when Ukraine voted for staying in USSR they should honor the voice of the people. That would make everything much simpler.
Instead, they gave UK 30 years time to transform Ukraine into anti-Russia