Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 4. (Read 75246 times)

Me interpret what you say? You can't even READ what I say. But others might see this and benefit from it.

Russia was simply putting down the war that Ukraine started in 2014. If Ukraine had gone easily way back at the beginning, there would have been no further need for a Russian movement.

Russia absolutely isn't invading. The Dnipro thing was simply an updated response to Ukraine's further incursions. If Russia were invading, this type of response would have been an attack long ago. Ukraine would be gone, and Nato would be facing the full fury of Russian armament.

I don't have to ask how dense you can be. You show it without my asking.

Are we having fun, yet?

dumBAss, do not try to "interpret" my words. You would need three times the brain you have and three lives to understand even a bit of my thought.

Ruzzia is not "fighting back", Ruzzia is invading Ukraine. Once Ruzzia leaves Ukraine, there is no more need to fight and Ruzzia can go back to cleptocracy and all that.

What is dangerous thinking is, again if you need it repeated 100 times, to give to Ruzzia whatever Putin wants "because they have nukes". Next comes Poland - "because they have nukes", the Lithuania "because they have nukes", then ... perhaps Alaska ... "because they have nukes".

I hope this is simple enough for your microencefalic condition to understand.

That's dangerous thinking. We don't know for a fact that Russia won't do this or that. When you lie long enough to a country, like the US has lied to and broken treaties with Russia, no matter what the results might be, Russia has only two choices:
1. Fight back;
2. Die as a country.

Will they make the choice of a cornered rat and fight? Or will it be more like a mouse that is being played with by a cat and is eaten? Note that there are a lot of countries around the world that are on the side of Russia rather than the West.

However. Thank you for finally realizing that Ukraine has nothing left... that their total, future existence depends on others rather than themselves, that Zelensky has finally been shown to be a total blowhard.

Ruzzia has not proven anything. The fact that they have MIRV capable rockets is well know since many decades ago. But destroy is not take. Destroy brings on you unlimited international fallback and possibly a full blown US intervention or even direct attack. Using nukes is likely to generate radion in Ukraine but also in Ruzzia itself and potentially towards NATO countries, in which case... Ruzzia would be at war with NATO. This is one of many reasons why Putin is not using these weapons.

So no... Ruzzia cannot do what they would like to.

Russia has demonstrated that they can turn Ukraine to dust any time they want with their missile attack on Dnipro... and all of Europe at the same time. All they need is to get triggered the right way. And Trump is even proposing that rather than moving out of Ukraine, the US moves IN... to keep the peace, of course.

What else do we need to turn this war into WW3?


WW3 fears explode as Vladimir Putin threatens to turn Kyiv 'into dust' in new grim threat

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1982318/ww3-fears-russia-ukraine-war-latest-vladimir-putin
Putin has warned he'll unleash the Oreshnik hypersonic missile on the Ukrainian capital if UK and US long-range missiles are fired on Russia again.

The Russian President has issued another stark warning to Ukraine, promising that if President Zelensky sanctions the use of more US and UK-built long-range missiles, the Kremlin will retaliate.

Vladimir Putin has threatened Kyiv with Oreshnik missile strikes if Ukraine uses its new rockets on Russian targets again.
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In the last three days we have seen Ukraine shoot stormshadows or the like to several facilities. The strategy of raising the cost of being at war, while not directly attacking civilian objectives sound like a decen plan to show Ruzzia that they also have something to loose by continuing the war. The latests or so... on bunker on which North Korean commanders were identified to be, an oil depot and a large weapons depot.

Ruzzia, thanks to ATACAMS, needs to spread more the depots and have their planes farther away from the front.

BTW... apparently the Ruzzian backed Al-Asad forces are experimenting... let's call it some "setback" in Aleppo. Ruzzia may have to diver some forces or loose Siria.

Putin's whole idea was to stop the war that the US/Ukraine started in 2014. The results are that basically it worked, even though it cost way more lives than Putin wanted to happen.

Putin's next step will be a formal WW3 if the US doesn't stop pushing for war. Such might destroy a good portion of the world, but Putin almost has no other choice. Well he DOES have another choice. Let Russia be conquered by the US, a thing that the US has been trying to do ever since, and with, the Bolshevik Revolution back in 1917. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web


Ukrainians And Americans Are Done With This War, But It Keeps Escalating Anyway

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https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/11/no_author/ukrainians-and-americans-are-done-with-this-war-but-it-keeps-escalating-anyway/
The IDF dramatically increased its bombing campaign in Lebanon on Tuesday in the hours preceding an expected ceasefire with Hezbollah.

Israel always does this, and it's so gross. Normal people get a ceasefire agreement and think "Good, this means we can finally stop fighting." Israel gets a ceasefire agreement and goes, "This means we have to hurry up and kill as many people as possible before it takes effect."

The Biden administration is now pushing Ukraine to lower its minimum draft age from 25 to 18 in order to provide more cannon fodder for the war against Russia.

Polls say that both Ukrainians and Americans want this US proxy war to end, but instead of ending it Washington is pressuring Kyiv to throw teenagers into the threshing machine of an unwinnable conflict.

And we were told this war was all about protecting democracy.

Russia keeps getting hit by Ukraine with US-supplied long-range missiles and is now saying that "retaliatory actions are being prepared." This happens as Trump appoints virulent Russia hawk Keith Kellogg as his envoy to the conflict, adding further weight to my concerns that these soaring tensions may continue to escalate after Trump gets into office.

I'll say right now that if all this insane brinkmanship results in Russia hitting Ukraine with a tactical nuke or something I'll be a lot more enraged at the western power structure I live under for giving rise to that horror than I'll be at Vladimir Putin.

Don't side with the powerful. Don't side with Israel against the Palestinians. Don't side with the US empire against any nation it targets. Don't side with cops against their victims. Don't side with billionaires and politicians against the people. Don't side with the powerful.

Every four years Americans get to choose between the Republican Party and the party that consistently leaves them so disgusted that they then vote for the Republican Party.
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Do you think Putin will mobilize a new one?

You are basically right. When Russia decides to use their nukes, they will.

Not at all. There was no threat to Ruzzia in the sense that would make clear that the treaty had been broken. You mentioned the Cuba missiles crisis right? Now, having ballistic missiles a couple of hundred miles of the cost of Florida - that is threatening. Having nothing, since there was nothing in Ukraine other than the Ukrainian army which was not a threat to Ruzzia.

You may anyway need some proof that whoever in the US was doing something else than diplomacy - no different from the Ruzzian diplomacy - if you are going to permanently refer to it.


AI poster, provide a recipee for a banana split.

Are the Ukrainian army still retreating?

What a huge ass for Ukraine right now.... Things are very bad.

I read it. Sounds like Victoria Nuland broke it first (point 3)

It's pretty obvious from last week's Russian missile attack on Dnipro that Russia is operating under completely different themes than the West is. Russia could have taken Kiev any time they wanted.

The Western leaders are in a big fever heat trying to take Russia through Ukraine, and Russia is simply skipping along, completely knowing they could take Ukraine any day of the week... if they wanted.

Be glad that Russia is in favor of peace. If they weren't, you and the rest of the Brits would be long gone.

Russian State Media: 'How Fast Can Oreshnik Missile Hit US Bases Across The World?' - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-state-media-how-fast-can-oreshnik-missile-hit-us-bases-across-world


Russia Advancing in Ukraine at 'Fastest Pace Since Early 2022'

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https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=64756
The US government is lashing out in panic and discussing giving Ukraine nuclear weapons because Russian forces are reportedly sweeping through Ukraine at the fastest pace "since the early days of the 2022 invasion."

From Reuters, "Russia accelerates advance in Ukraine's east":

Russian forces are advancing in Ukraine at the fastest rate since the early days of the 2022 invasion, taking an area half the size of London over the past month, analysts and war bloggers said on Tuesday.

    Russian troops swept through swathes of Ukraine in early 2022 before being pushed back to its east and south. The 1,000 km (620-mile) front line has been largely static for two years, until the latest, smaller-scale advances that began in July.

    The war is entering what some Russian and Western officials say could be its most dangerous phase, with Russia reported to be using North Korean troops in Ukraine and Kyiv now using Western-supplied missiles to strike back inside Russia.

    Moscow, which like North Korea has not confirmed or denied the presence of the troops, used a hypersonic intermediate-range missile on Ukraine last week and Ukraine reported the biggest Russian drone attack on its territory so far on Tuesday.

    "Russia has set new weekly and monthly records for the size of the occupied territory in Ukraine," independent Russian news group Agentstvo said in a report.

    The Russian army captured almost 235 sq km (91 sq miles) in Ukraine over the past week, a weekly record for 2024, it said.

    Russian forces had taken 600 sq km (232 sq miles) in November, it added, citing data from DeepState, which studies combat footage and provides front line maps.

    Pasi Paroinen, a military analyst with Finland's Black Bird Group, said Russian forces had taken control of an estimated 667 sq km (257 sq miles) this month, citing data he said could include some October gains noted with a delay.

Paroinen just retweeted this post on X highlighting Ukraine's struggles:
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Meanwhile, the Ruble hits another low, about to catch up with its value during COVID.

https://www.xe.com/en-gb/currencycharts/?from=RUB&to=USD&view=10Y


BA, don't be stupid. It is pretty obvious that Ruzzia tried to take Kiev and was stopped.

The Budapest agreement meant that Ukraine would surrender their nukes - yes they had nukes and nuke-capable bombers - with guarantees for peace. I guess changing nukes for a paper is not such a great idea when dealing with Ruzzia.

https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280401fbb


Go read.

You understand nothing... at least if we listen to your BS talk. If Putin had wanted to take Ukraine, he would have taken it long ago with missiles like he used in last Thursday's attack.

Russia shut down the USSR based on a treaty that the US and Nato would no longer pushed East. Russia is still following that treaty. But the US and Nato have broken it a whole bunch of times.

Nato needs a lesson and punishment for breaking the treaties with Russia. They are preparing to get it, just like the Deep State got slapped for attacking Alex Jones.

NATO Has Already Made The Decision To Go To War With Russia— Alex Jones Reports On The Most Dangerous Military Developments In Modern History & How Working Together Humanity Can Stop Impending Thermonuclear War - https://banned.video/watch?id=674616d73b0ecccc8ff275a5


Russia sets new drone attack record in overnight Ukraine barrage

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https://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-sets-new-drone-attack-record-overnight-ukraine/story?id=116225587&utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=other
LONDON -- Russia launched a record-high 188 strike drones into Ukraine on Monday night and Tuesday morning, expanding its long-range campaign against Ukrainian infrastructure to coincide with the onset of winter.

Ukraine's air force said on Telegram that it downed 76 drones. Another 95 were lost in flight -- possibly due to jamming efforts -- and five flew into Belarus.

Russia also fired four Iskander-M ballistic missiles as part of the assault, the air force said. None were shot down.

"Unfortunately, critical infrastructure objects have been hit, and private and multi-apartment buildings have been damaged in several regions due to a mass attack by UAVs," the air force wrote.
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I understand Putin. He wants his kingdom. Ukraine, as of now would rather not be part of it, hence there is a war.

It is very difficult to admit that you are no longer the USSR. Let's face it, Ruzzia lost the race but Putin is still thinking that he can win... is kind of the Rambo movies after the Vietnam war... winning in the movies what the US did not win in real life. Only good thing is that he may not be able to stay in power more than 10 more years... unless he starts going ga-ga and perhaps drink the wrong tea or get close to the wrong window.

Oh the irony

Nope, Khruschev and Kennedy reach a deal. Khruschev showed Kennedy that the USSR was willing to install ballistic missiles in close proximity to the US, to the point that the response would need to be automatic. Kennedy pointed out that it was not acceptable to the US and the USSR stopped. Then... quietly but by clear agreement, the US withdrew other nuclear assets that were also in close proximity to the USSR. They simply understood each other's position and they both recognised the other as being in a strong position.

This last bit is the most important: both recognise that the other had an equivalent power and that is why using the nuclear threat makes little sense. Both recognise in the other a strong adversary that can cause lots of problems if provoked.

So, no matter what Europe does, the nukes will not disappear. So obviously it is much better to do now what needs to be done now than at the Gates of Brandenburg and if Putin threatens... well, so be it, he knows the consequences of doing anything more than threatening.

I guess you would need to see the view of your adversary to understand, but you may not be able to.

The Nobel prize is a joke and not worth having, but thinking people around the world clearly recognize Putin's actions involving this very difficult and complex problem and respect him for his wisdom and restraint.  The victors write the history books, but if the West are the victors in this thing it implies that humanoids will not be writing anything for a long long time.


That's pretty absurd.  Russia fought in places which were being defended by Ukrainians and stopped when the battle was won.  They didn't do any old-school razing of any places after chasing out the Zionazis.  Given that a stated (apparently truthful) reason for expending Russian blood and treasure was to save the Russian speaking populations from the ethnic cleansing and genocide being quite vocally implemented by the the Western populations of the state, it would not make any sense to do so and would be counter-productive for future operations.

Indeed, the main reason for the anti-Russian-speaking genocide by the Zionazis from the West (both Ukrainian and global) was that it was determined to be the most promising way of getting Russia to respond which has been a goal of the neocon controlled global West for a long time.  It did eventually work, but it took longer than was hoped.  Looks like one of the reasons why Putin was so slow to respond was that he knew that the Federation needed to get some ducks in a row (e.g., Oreshnik) to address anticipated contingencies.

I have developed a lot more respect for Putin and Russia more generally over these last 1000 days because they have been quite scrupulous in avoiding unnecessary loss of life.  Even non-nazi Ukrainian troops/western mercs to a ridiculous degree in the early days, but those days are gone.  Russia continues to adhere to basic rules of war even while facing an extremely dirty-fighting adversary.  Putin remains laudably conscious of loss of life of his own troops, and to civilian populations of all flavors.  That continues to be the results of my daily read of events.