Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 2. (Read 77935 times)

Before Trump can get much work done in Russia/Ukraine. NATO just might cut Ukraine off on its own. It would have to do with the gas shutdown to Slovakia. This doesn't hurt Russia at all, because there are increased sales to other countries, like India. Besides, Russia can build pipelines around Ukraine if necessary.

Zelensky is going nuts trying to figure out what to do next. Will he try biting himself in the forehead?


Cutting Slovakia's Gas Supplies May Well Backfire on Zelensky

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https://ronpaulinstitute.org/cutting-slovakias-gas-supplies-may-well-backfire-on-zelensky/
Some in the west have celebrated this as victory over Russia. More likely, it will backfire on Ukraine's NATO and European aspirations.

I have always considered the sale, purchase and supply of gas or any other commodity as an entirely commercial matter. In that regard, even while posted to the British embassy in Moscow, I dismissed suggestions that Russia was weaponizing its energy supplies.

There was only one occasion, in 2009, when Russian gas supplies to Europe were halted temporarily following a dispute over Ukraine's non-payment of its accumulated debts. Russia worked hard to position itself as a reliable supplier of gas specifically because it sells gas domestically at heavily subsidized prices; gas exports therefore subsidize domestic consumption.
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Maybe if the Western banking interests gave Russia back the money they stole then the Russians would stop targeting the resource rich areas of Ukraine for appropriation.  Maybe not.

Anyway, stealing money via the financial system adds a lot of incentive for work on a replacement financial system which actually works.  It was a dumb move for that reason, and also it removed the return of stolen funds as a bargaining chip.  Russia can say "No thanks.  We'll just keep the mines and lands we got."  And that pretends that the USD system has not completely collapsed by the time the shooting has stopped and the Russians are even interested in a refund in whatever replaces it.

Seems that Trump wouldn't agree with you.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5526138


The Walls Close in on Zelensky

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https://dailyreckoning.com/the-walls-close-in-on-zelensky/
In a meeting with allies in Germany this week, the embattled leader requested NATO troops on the ground in Ukraine.

"Our goal is to find as many instruments as possible to force Russia into peace. I believe that such deployment of partners' contingents is one of the best instruments. Let's be more practical in making it possible."

Nothing about this proposal is "practical". Even if Zelensky is speaking about peacekeeping troops as part of a settlement, which isn't clear, it's still a fundamentally crazy idea. Simply put, it would bring us to the brink of nuclear war.

Of course, this isn't the first time Zelensky has suggested that NATO should send troops to fight and die in this war. But this latest instance is noteworthy because it comes just ahead of President Trump's inauguration.

Given the circumstances, the move signals desperation.

Trump Stands Firm

President Trump has stood his ground on this issue thus far.

Just this week he acknowledged that NATO's courtship of Ukraine was a major cause of the war, noting that if Ukraine were to join the Western military alliance, "then Russia has somebody right on their doorstep, and I could understand their feelings about that."

Trump correctly blames Biden for promising Ukraine NATO membership and escalating the war.

In early December, Trump's team conveyed the message that Ukraine would need to make major concessions to end the war. Those concessions will probably involve giving up land already captured by Russia, agreeing to a form of disarmament, and pledging to never join NATO.

This was an important shift, as it became clear even to the biggest hawks that Ukraine wasn't going to recapture much, if any lost territory. And forget about Crimea.

Trump's views on Ukraine are certainly unique in Washington D.C., But his base is ready for the war to end, and this issue was one of the keys to his landslide victory.
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Nope, that is not true. Ruzzia is a hopless nation. It went from leading the USSR to becoming "the second best army in Ukraine". Ruzzias technology, economy and industrial capabilities are not even close to those that the USSR had and are miles away from - not the US - but even away from the GDP, innovation and political power of many European countries.

Ruzzia can put up some fireworks and call it a missile - that is where it is now.

To be honest, it is quite good for Europe that Ruzzia self-demilitarises in an useless war (sorry for the Ukrainians that bear the brunt of it). It is much easier to keep peace when the Ruzzian army stocks of tanks are to 1/4.

Perhaps you are super professional a these things. Even if you are, it means nothing. Anything Ukraine and the US can do, Russia can do just as well.

Talking about how to protect one's self doesn't mean promoting war. Russian Oreshnik and others can reach the US. It's simply considerations of what they might or might not do.

Your technical figures don't mean anything because there are other options for Russia with them. Sure, consider everything that you can. But it means little until you can get into the minds of the Russian leaders.

The point is that Russia, using Oreshnik like they did in Dnipro, means Kiev wipe-out with only one more virtually unstoppable Oreshik. We don't see Ukraine making any big moves that might invite such an attack. Maybe next week. But not yet. They are taking it to heart.

Then, besides all this, Trump is coming. So, the whole Ukraine thing might simply shut down in a month or two. Zelensky is like a wild cannon with all that power, and you don't really want him to tease the bear too much, do you? I mean, the UK would be next after Ukraine... maybe even first, before Ukraine.

Wake up. Russia responded in a big way at least twice, now. Next time might be a REALLY big way. Do you really think you or your AI are guessing right? Are you ready to take that chance?

BTW, a few posts ago you were in favour of peace... now you are suggesting how to kill more people. You are a joke of a person.

But dumBAss, this is amazing!!! You and I agree in something: there are definetly much much better ways to hit a target! They are called drones, and Ukraine is nearly producing a million a year. The newest ones are definetly able to reach most major cities and I have even stopped publishing here the daily impacts in refineries and military facilities, but this is now everyday.

The addition of explosives to and ICBM is not a "technical challenge", it is an absolutely stupid idea. The ICBM rebranded as Oreshnik costs 18 million USD a pop and would not cause any destruction even close to justifiying that because it pretty much falls randomly in a 2 km area. It is time you little trolls start unhooking from the official Ruzzia TV and understand that all this is propaganda and means absolutely nothing for the war effort.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6240qepyppo

In WW1 they dropped nails from planes on troops on the ground. Quite effective when they hit anybody.

The tungsten idea has been around for some time. There must be something better... like water-filled tanks for cooling and for attitude control (steam rocket engines)... to hit targets not anticipated by the enemy. Much cheaper than tungsten.

The addition of high explosives would seem to be a technical challenge due to re-entry protection issues, and less important than mass itself in transferring energy to a target.  The explosive energy would also possibly interfere and cancel out to a degree the kinetic energy delivery characteristics.  A simple tungsten rod would probably work best as well as being the easiest thing to do.

Seems that hypersonics would be primarily a digging tool useful in deeply fracturing material.  Having multiple attacks mixing in high precision devices which have a heaving effect (cleaning rubble out of the hole) could possibly be a method by which one could dig down to the guts of almost any bunker system.  Not to mention causing probably fatal effects on any humans trying to live underground in the area due simply to the shock effects.

Thanks, Branko. I hadn't even thought of it that way. I was a little puzzled as to how the Oreshnik could make such a big hole without explosives. Now I see.

I'm not ashamed to admit that lots of people have way more knowledge and understanding than I do. But when paxmao contradicts me, I KNOW that I am on the right track.

I mentioned it earlier, but paxmao obviously could not calculate it, so here it is:

The energy of a 36-tonne mass hitting the ground at Mach 10 is approximately:

211.8 billion joules (211.8 × 10⁹ J),
Equivalent to 50.6 tonnes of TNT.

You are reasonably accurate with one little twist. Oreshnik was Russia's response to Ukraine using ATACMS against Russia directly. And it worked.

Any day of the week, before breakfast, Russia could take out Kiev by loading some explosives into 2 or 3 Oreshniks. Other nations would not attack Russia for doing this, because other nations do not want to be destroyed, either.

As long as Russia plays a defensive war within Ukraine, only, she is showing how peaceful she really is. If she went on the offense in Ukraine, it might scare other nations. But as long as she stayed in Ukraine and not NATO nations, they would not attack Russia.

Agains propaganda, facts:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64850835 again, the damage of an ICBM is either nearly nothing or a nuclear explosion. No middle ground, no other use.


All this is technology from the 50's and is innacurate. The missile had a total of 36 MIRVS that are NOT bombs, nor bomblets nor have any explosive load on them whatsoever. The video is weeks old.

The rebranded (not new ICBM, just a rebrand) can carry either nuclear warheads or decoys. If any of these were nukes, there would be no Dnipro. The decoys do not deal more harm that a large metallic non-explosive object falling quite quickly.

Your information about interception is also wrong. The ICBMS are not intercepted when the MIRVS have been released, but much earlier. It is perfectly possible to intercept them, altough details are classified.

Now BA, keep voicing Putin's propaganda... I mean, your credibility cannot fall much more.


No, Putin is doing everything he can rationally. Starting a nuclear war will probably get him killed. You only escalate if you have something to win - thus he has not escalated.

Well the EU is not exactly a democratic bloc because the commission heads are unelected bureaucrats placed there by oligarchs and insiders which is very little different in theory to the factions in charge of Russia lording it over the Russian peoples. The same can be said for the 2 party systems in place in both the US and UK.

What would be better is a truly democratic superblock containing all the northern regions from US,Canada,Greenland,Iceland,Baltics,UK,Ireland,EU and Russia along with regional blocks like Japan,Australia,New Zealand and any other countries that oppose communism and totalitarianism. Of course the US,Canada EU ,Russia and even Australia would have to become less authoritarian before this could ever happen.

If this ever happened then who could ever be a threat to such a bloc?

Not only that, but the Oreshnik used on Dnipro, didn't even carry any explosives.

Western media mistakenly thinks that Russia is playing games. Yet it is another warning by Putin of what Russia can do if it really wants to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYKDNSYw1NQ&pp=ygUIb3Jlc2huaWs%3D

Putin is telling us how scary Oreshnik is, but we still don't accept the demonstration or Putin's explanation.

You are 'a day late and a dollar short'.  The incident was a few days ago and ended in a 'krioid defeate about as quickly as it started.  Here's today's:

  https://rumble.com/v676pxj-cold-war-iih-32-cut-offthe-russians-are-storming-sudzha-and-siversk-militar.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

As for the reason, nothing yet has changed my opinion that 'kroid losses in (Slavic) life has been since 2014 exactly the goal for Zelensky and his handlers.

Slavic 'kroid deaths are what happened in spades in Kursk, and the effort didn't seem to do a damn thing to slow down the losses of land and resources more Eastward.  You can argue that Russia would be in Dnipro if not for Kursk, or insist that it caused 6 million Russian casualties if you want.  The desperate retard classes might actually believe that, but no serious analysts would likely agree.

Russia has been reasonably merciful with Ukraine. Perhaps with new money on the way, Ukraine will again become disruptive. But, they are done. The should surrender while there is something left of them.


First Photo of Site Hit By Russian "Oreshnik" Missile - Complete devastation!

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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/world-news/first-photo-of-site-hit-by-russian-oreshnik-missile-complete-devastation
Video of the strike was widely circulated worldwide and it is utterly shocking:

Go to the site to watch it.

As seen in the video above, six separate batches of projectiles come out of the sky so fast, no missile defense system on the planet could intercept them

What was most stunning about this strike is that the six warheads released multiple "Bomblets" before they impacted.  That's why there are six, separate "showers" of  fire from the sky . . . the bomblets came down ahead of the warheads which carried them, and those bomblets and warheads were moving so fast, they generated enough heat to look like fire coming from the sky.

Ukraine was ruthless in their censorship of any photos or videos of the strike location.  They arrested anyone trying to take pictures or videos, and seized any equipment that may have contained such images.

All that ends right now.
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Ukraine has started some offensive operation in Kursk. Some people are puzzled as for the reason, my guess is that they attack where the defence is weaker.


Ruzzia does not seem to be able to tell the difference between a drone and a commercial plane. From the Ukrainian perspective that is an advantage, as Ruzzia needs to think twice before pressing the trigger which makes their air defence less effective. This is not a moral judgement, it is a fact.

Unless you are saying that Ruzzia is not going to think twice anyway? That the Ruzzian goverment is fine with hitting passenger planes and killing people as acceptable casualties so that their efficiency is not diminished? Because that is exactly what you imply.

Back to serious discussion, Ruzzia seems to be attacking with less and less mechanised means, sometimes to a ridiculous point of sending people on foot or - I have seen a video - riding scooters. There is something happening and it is not looking good for the Ruzzian army.

New weapons Russia recently used in Ukraine (beside shovels and dishwasher chips):

https://www-geopolitika-news.translate.goog/vijesti/evo-koja-je-nova-ubojita-oruzja-rusija-koristila-u-ukrajini-2024-godine/?_x_tr_sl=hr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Again it's one thing to say that RU should close all of its airspace to minimize unintended casualties to civilian airspace, and completely different story to say "it is much better to keep it open, it makes drones more difficult to identify" and "keep on trying to find out if it is a drone or a passenger plane" your intentions are crystal clear here.

It was the best Zelensky could muster in and attempt win a few more brownie points with (and more money/coke from) his sponsors.  It was even more humiliating than their 'greatest counter-offensive'!  They got across one and a half fields and took a 'city' consisting of several dozen houses by the looks of things, then got beat back within a day losing massive numbers of 'Ukrainian soldiers' (read, force-mobilized prisoners) and a lot of Western gear.  While it was going on, the Russians (known as 'North Koreans' to propagandized mouth-breathing Westerners) got to the very starting point of the 'offensive' from behind.

Kellogg even canceled his trip to Ukraine out of shame.