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Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 364. (Read 845569 times)
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Faith doesn't need proof, and you cannot prove it since he is created in the minds of humans.
So it is the work of their imagination. I knew it. If that were so for all varieties of "spiritual" experience then you would be able to use "the work of their imagination" to provide an answer to the Problem of Seth's Origin:
http://www.rivier.edu/faculty/pcunningham/Research/Problem_of_Seths_Origin.pdf
Presumably your explanation would fall under "hypnotic self-suggestion" and "high creativity", but these explanations do not adequately answer the Problem.
That is a published paper; you can read the abstract and conclusion.
The purpose is to show you a different perspective, and introduce you to substantial issues such as the Problem of Seth's Origin and related questions such as the "Content-Source Problem".
Do you have any links to video evidence of this Jane Roberts doing her thing? I did have a read through some of the paper, while it does claim some extraordinary things and makes some valid points, it doesn't seem to follow much of a scientific method. The fact that the majority of the material was transcribed by her husband instantly sets skeptical alarm bells off in my mind.
Faith doesn't need proof, and you cannot prove it since he is created in the minds of humans.
So it is the work of their imagination. I knew it. If that were so for all varieties of "spiritual" experience then you would be able to use "the work of their imagination" to provide an answer to the Problem of Seth's Origin:
http://www.rivier.edu/faculty/pcunningham/Research/Problem_of_Seths_Origin.pdf
Presumably your explanation would fall under "hypnotic self-suggestion" and "high creativity", but these explanations do not adequately answer the Problem.
That is a published paper; you can read the abstract and conclusion.
The purpose is to show you a different perspective, and introduce you to substantial issues such as the Problem of Seth's Origin and related questions such as the "Content-Source Problem".
Faith doesn't need proof, and you cannot prove it since he is created in the minds of humans.
So it is the work of their imagination. I knew it. If that were so for all varieties of "spiritual" experience then you would be able to use "the work of their imagination" to provide an answer to the Problem of Seth's Origin:
http://www.rivier.edu/faculty/pcunningham/Research/Problem_of_Seths_Origin.pdf
Presumably your explanation would fall under "hypnotic self-suggestion" and "high creativity", but these explanations do not adequately answer the Problem.
How ignorant are you? Don't you even realize that everyone can see by your responses in this thread, that you and your whole system are deceptive?
Is it not ironic that you accuse me of ignorance while you refuse to study history?
I don't doubt it. I compare it with what the Bible says, and then I know. Doubt doesn't have anything to do with it.
I read both books and compare; you read only the Bible and you did not quote my book/audio.
What this relates to is ignorance. Your deliberate ignorance of info that contradicts your B.S. (belief system).
Perhaps you could use rationality.
Now if you did a historical analysis of the Bible, and Bible history, you would see that you don't need anything else.
Now if you did a historical analysis of the Bible, and Bible history, you would see that you don't need anything else.
Bro, you are the one who needs to do a historical analysis of the Bible and especially "the doctrine of Saul".
The "First Christians" audio is a great starting point for getting familiar with scholastic references and the history of the early church as agreed upon by scholars. That is a historical analysis and you have not called into question the references and facts therein.
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/1992_meetings.html
Perhaps you could use rationality.
Now if you did a historical analysis of the Bible, and Bible history, you would see that you don't need anything else.
Now if you did a historical analysis of the Bible, and Bible history, you would see that you don't need anything else.
Bro, you are the one who needs to do a historical analysis of the Bible and especially "the doctrine of Saul".
The "First Christians" audio is a great starting point for getting familiar with scholastic references and the history of the early church as agreed upon by scholars. That is a historical analysis and you have not called into question the references and facts therein.
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/1992_meetings.html
Faith doesn't need proof, and you cannot prove it since he is created in the minds of humans.
So it is the work of their imagination. I knew it. If that were so for all varieties of "spiritual" experience then you would be able to use "the work of their imagination" to provide an answer to the Problem of Seth's Origin:
http://www.rivier.edu/faculty/pcunningham/Research/Problem_of_Seths_Origin.pdf
Presumably your explanation would fall under "hypnotic self-suggestion" and "high creativity", but these explanations do not adequately answer the Problem.
What this means is, that in all the hurt and bad feelings one might have for God, there are really only two choices. You are either on God's side, or you are against Him. Take your pick.
Your two options come loaded with the assumpton that god exists in the first place.Option three, just don't believe god exists. (And before you say it, no this isn't the same as against god.)
I am not against anyone having a right to his own opinion. I believe, as you have surmised I would, that your third option really falls under the category of my second. This is okay. God knows where you stand. Because of this, He can work to save you in the ways that it takes to turn people to salvation.
The thing that God almost can't work with is people who are like the Jews... at least the religious Jews. They accept that there is a Messiah. Then they reject Jesus Who is that Messiah. They are lukewarm simply because they have a mixture of faith and unbelief, even though they tend toward God. Even God has a hard time working with people who are sincere, and yet believe in Him at the same time that they don't.
Take a look at the Jews. They have the blessings and the curses that God talked about in the whole Old Testament. This is because they are the children of Abraham while they are at the same time rejecting what is probably the most important aspect of God regarding people... Jesus salvation. What other nation has such great blessings and curses within and around them at the same time?
Faith doesn't need proof, and you cannot prove it since he is created in the minds of humans.
So it is the work of their imagination. I knew it. 
What this means is, that in all the hurt and bad feelings one might have for God, there are really only two choices. You are either on God's side, or you are against Him. Take your pick.
Your two options come loaded with the assumpton that god exists in the first place.Option three, just don't believe god exists. (And before you say it, no this isn't the same as against god.)
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What is there to keep one from being bored when he is like the Almighty God Who can make anything and do anything
Except, apparently, create a just system on who should be punished and who shouldn't.
God made everything. He owns it as His property. Property owners have the right to do with their property whatever they want.
Some people want to judge God's system of justice. They want to judge God Who is infinitely greater than they, and Whose system of justice is beyond understanding. This is fine. It is something that people have the freedom to do.
God owns it all, controlling it, even though many don't think He is doing a good job at it. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING anyone can do to change the system or to fight God. What this means is, that in all the hurt and bad feelings one might have for God, there are really only two choices. You are either on God's side, or you are against Him. Take your pick. You will receive the results of your choice. So choose wisely.
Wow.. Some pretty interesting comments blackjag, but I have to admit.. BADecker is finally proven wrong. Here was a white kid in africa, reading this thread. He believed in god so much he died, not only of starvation, but of a broken heart after reading what BADecker wrote. See, he had god in his heart, but was so desperate for food that he turned his back on his god for BADeckers, in the hope that he may find a meal, and died. This is what you can expect from someone, who as I have already proven, can be programmed to speak of things only after I command him to... using the word of god of course..
"Here was a white kid ...?" Are you trying to say that you were a white kid in Africa and that you died? You been drinking again?
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Let's take the revelations.. The latest revelation, by BADecker of course, is that no-one can change these revelations, yet, he has changed them according to his decree, to suit his own selfish needs, as is proven by the fact that the full revelations prove that the second coming is of the devils's child. Now why would he do this, one must beg to ask..? I would'nt expect anything less from trash like him. He has yet to provide any proof of god, never mind my own request for confirmation from him, of exactly how many revelations there are. I say.. look at revelation 17.. any half decent gambler knows to put a coin on 17 no matter what game they play..
LOL !
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I really cant understand why people keep lowering themselves to a set standard held by 6 people in this thread by entertaining this kind of fallacy, by arguing with someone who simply has no evidence, and can be pre-programmed months in advance of what he will speak of..
I'll prove it with one very simple question to prove that BADecker is akin to this devil's child (a twin perhap's?)
Please BADecker, re-instate your credibility by answering this very simple question using ony THE ONE word of god..
What is this WORD you keep speaking of?
Please keep in mind, the bible is a book of thousands of words, and what it denotes is a plethora of whatever, from all this, please state what THE WORD is?
No?
Did'nt think so..
Go on, hide, do whatever it is you do to avoid the truth..
I'll prove it with one very simple question to prove that BADecker is akin to this devil's child (a twin perhap's?)
Please BADecker, re-instate your credibility by answering this very simple question using ony THE ONE word of god..
What is this WORD you keep speaking of?
Please keep in mind, the bible is a book of thousands of words, and what it denotes is a plethora of whatever, from all this, please state what THE WORD is?
No?
Did'nt think so..
Go on, hide, do whatever it is you do to avoid the truth..
The Word of God is whatever God speaks to the heart of the person who reads the Bible, while He is reading, and through the Bible words that he reads. That is the Word of God. Often it is nonsense to those who resist God. To those who accept God, revelations are constantly being reveal by the Spirit of God.
... I sincerely doubt that you will expose God as a fraud or fiction.
C'mon, guy. Stop doubting. Believe.
You are not using any rational methods at all.
Not with regard to much of anything that you say. Simply because virtually everything that you say doesn't have anything rational behind it to speak of. Perhaps you could use rationality. But since you don't, there isn't any way for any one to answer you rationally.
I don't doubt it. I compare it with what the Bible says, and then I know. Doubt doesn't have anything to do with it.
I read both books and compare; you read only the Bible and you did not quote my book/audio.
What this relates to is ignorance. Your deliberate ignorance of info that contradicts your B.S. (belief system).
Well, that's a start. Now if you did a historical analysis of the Bible, and Bible history, you would see that you don't need anything else.
Now, of course, I don't mean that you don't need air to breathe, and water to drink, and food to eat, etc. But I have to say this because you would get all mixed up and go off on a tangent saying that BADecker says that you don't need anything else in life besides the Bible.
The reason you do this is because you don't have anything that overcomes what I say. So you have to twist everything every way you can, just to make it look like you have wisdom rather than stupidity.
Why would you think that you must accept anything from me... words or anything else?
You are constantly insisting that I accept your B.S. (belief system), but you will not investigate mine. When you gave me 8 reasons, I pointed out "flaws" in all of them.
I insist that you are not inquiring into the facts because you fear change. You apparently prefer the doctrine of Paul to the doctrine of Christ.
I really don't think that you are retarded. Yet you keep trying to prove me wrong. Like when you used a bunch of non-points to speak against the 8 points I listed.
When have I insisted that you accept my belief system? I constantly remind you that you are free to believe whatever you want, not that you haven't been lying and exaggerating about me all along. How ignorant are you? Don't you even realize that everyone can see by your responses in this thread, that you and your whole system are deceptive?
I prefer the doctrine of Christ and Paul over your doctrine. By the way, you have almost stated nothing regarding what your doctrine is. The little you have stated regarding it, is so incomplete that it might mean almost anything. The closest anyone can come to determining what your doctrine might be is, bow to Blakjag and his belief system, state it as such, or you will be on Blakjag's sh**-list.
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What is there to keep one from being bored when he is like the Almighty God Who can make anything and do anything
Except, apparently, create a just system on who should be punished and who shouldn't.
Wow.. Some pretty interesting comments blackjag, but I have to admit.. BADecker is finally proven wrong. Here was a white kid in africa, reading this thread. He believed in god so much he died, not only of starvation, but of a broken heart after reading what BADecker wrote. See, he had god in his heart, but was so desperate for food that he turned his back on his god for BADeckers, in the hope that he may find a meal, and died. This is what you can expect from someone, who as I have already proven, can be programmed to speak of things only after I command him to... using the word of god of course..
Let's take the revelations.. The latest revelation, by BADecker of course, is that no-one can change these revelations, yet, he has changed them according to his decree, to suit his own selfish needs, as is proven by the fact that the full revelations prove that the second coming is of the devils's child. Now why would he do this, one must beg to ask..? I would'nt expect anything less from trash like him. He has yet to provide any proof of god, never mind my own request for confirmation from him, of exactly how many revelations there are. I say.. look at revelation 17.. any half decent gambler knows to put a coin on 17 no matter what game they play..
I really cant understand why people keep lowering themselves to a set standard held by 6 people in this thread by entertaining this kind of fallacy, by arguing with someone who simply has no evidence, and can be pre-programmed months in advance of what he will speak of..
I'll prove it with one very simple question to prove that BADecker is akin to this devil's child (a twin perhap's?)
Please BADecker, re-instate your credibility by answering this very simple question using ony THE ONE word of god..
What is this WORD you keep speaking of?
Please keep in mind, the bible is a book of thousands of words, and what it denotes is a plethora of whatever, from all this, please state what THE WORD is?
No?
Did'nt think so..
Go on, hide, do whatever it is you do to avoid the truth..
Let's take the revelations.. The latest revelation, by BADecker of course, is that no-one can change these revelations, yet, he has changed them according to his decree, to suit his own selfish needs, as is proven by the fact that the full revelations prove that the second coming is of the devils's child. Now why would he do this, one must beg to ask..? I would'nt expect anything less from trash like him. He has yet to provide any proof of god, never mind my own request for confirmation from him, of exactly how many revelations there are. I say.. look at revelation 17.. any half decent gambler knows to put a coin on 17 no matter what game they play..
I really cant understand why people keep lowering themselves to a set standard held by 6 people in this thread by entertaining this kind of fallacy, by arguing with someone who simply has no evidence, and can be pre-programmed months in advance of what he will speak of..
I'll prove it with one very simple question to prove that BADecker is akin to this devil's child (a twin perhap's?)
Please BADecker, re-instate your credibility by answering this very simple question using ony THE ONE word of god..
What is this WORD you keep speaking of?
Please keep in mind, the bible is a book of thousands of words, and what it denotes is a plethora of whatever, from all this, please state what THE WORD is?
No?
Did'nt think so..
Go on, hide, do whatever it is you do to avoid the truth..
... I sincerely doubt that you will expose God as a fraud or fiction.
C'mon, guy. Stop doubting. Believe.
You are not using any rational methods at all.
I don't doubt it. I compare it with what the Bible says, and then I know. Doubt doesn't have anything to do with it.
I read both books and compare; you read only the Bible and you did not quote my book/audio.
What this relates to is ignorance. Your deliberate ignorance of info that contradicts your B.S. (belief system).
Why would you think that you must accept anything from me... words or anything else?
You are constantly insisting that I accept your B.S. (belief system), but you will not investigate mine. When you gave me 8 reasons, I pointed out "flaws" in all of them.
I insist that you are not inquiring into the facts because you fear change. You apparently prefer the doctrine of Paul to the doctrine of Christ.
Came across this hilarious gif on imgur titled 'How Christianity works'.
http://imgur.com/gallery/VGEhYaz
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http://imgur.com/gallery/VGEhYaz
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What is interesting is that this can almost be accurate.
However, a person doesn't simply jump from one religious belief to another in two seconds. But, if a person in such a position had been thinking about such a change for a period of weeks or months, so that he was on the edge of changing faith, something like this could happen.
God wants people to be saved for eternal life. Many folks who have led a really bad life, yet were Christian as a child, or had some friend trying to convert them at present, if they are suddenly dying like from being shot, they just might convert the rest of the way and be saved, even though they only lived 5 or 10 minutes after their conversion.
It doesn't seem fair. Some atheist lives his whole life as a good person, has a good spouse, good kids, contributes to community charities, helps fund Red Cross in Africa, yet doesn't believe in God, dies and goes to Hell. Some other joker who has been bad all his life, has a deathbed conversion and repentance, dies and goes to Heaven. Doesn't seem fair. But happens reasonably often.
There is rejoicing among the angels of God over every sinner who repents. Come on, you atheists. Repent while there still is time.
Wow. So I take it you believe it's fair? Have you actually thought it through, or do you just believe it's fair because your book tells you that it's fair?
No. I know it isn't fair by our standards. If it were about complete fairness, God would have destroyed the universe back at the beginning, when the two sinned by eating the fruit in the Garden. Rather, God bent over backwards so that we could be saved.
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So the serial killer and rapist converts just before getting the death sentence, all his sins are forgiven if he truly believes, and he is allowed into Heaven? The kind, charitable atheist who gave his life to save a bus full of christian schoolchildren, is thrown into the lake of fire and sentenced to eternal suffering?
Yes. This the freedom God gives us. It is fair way beyond fair. God should have destroyed us all fo lack of perfection, which we freely chose in our first parents, when they were still in perfection. The atheist shows that he is still willing to follow their imperfection, simply by being an atheist.
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This is one aspect of some religions I find extremely hard to grasp: If I were a god, I would certainly include some sort of "extenuating circumstances", such as "OK, this guy didn't believe in me, but he's pretty generous, kind and shit, so let's let him in".
But we aren't gods in the sense of the Almighty God. We barely understand how things work. And besides, we have the devil who is trying to convince us that God is wrong, so we DO have a lot of "stuff" that might be drawing us away from the truth.
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I just can't fathom why a benevolent god would put belief in him/herself as the most important factor into being "on the Heaven list". Why would they even care about such a silly unimportant thing like that?
Someone in a different thread mentioned how boring life might be in Heaven. God is dynamic. There isn't, and isn't going to be, any boredom with Him.
What is there to keep one from being bored when he is like the Almighty God Who can make anything and do anything. The best thing that God can do is make children, children who will grow up into God likeness someday, if they don't destroy themselves first.
You have friends, at least in this forum. You are important. God is important way above everything else. He made us to be important with Him. But we can't be important if we won't acknowledge Him.
... I sincerely doubt that you will expose God as a fraud or fiction.
C'mon, guy. Stop doubting. Believe.
I just can't fathom why a benevolent god would put belief in him/herself as the most important factor into being "on the Heaven list". Why would they even care about such a silly unimportant thing like that?
The doctrine of "faith not works" comes from Saul (Paul) who was a Hebrew Pharisee practicing Judaism to his death. He was never a follower of Christ.
Came across this hilarious gif on imgur titled 'How Christianity works'.
http://imgur.com/gallery/VGEhYaz
image
http://imgur.com/gallery/VGEhYaz
image
What is interesting is that this can almost be accurate.
However, a person doesn't simply jump from one religious belief to another in two seconds. But, if a person in such a position had been thinking about such a change for a period of weeks or months, so that he was on the edge of changing faith, something like this could happen.
God wants people to be saved for eternal life. Many folks who have led a really bad life, yet were Christian as a child, or had some friend trying to convert them at present, if they are suddenly dying like from being shot, they just might convert the rest of the way and be saved, even though they only lived 5 or 10 minutes after their conversion.
It doesn't seem fair. Some atheist lives his whole life as a good person, has a good spouse, good kids, contributes to community charities, helps fund Red Cross in Africa, yet doesn't believe in God, dies and goes to Hell. Some other joker who has been bad all his life, has a deathbed conversion and repentance, dies and goes to Heaven. Doesn't seem fair. But happens reasonably often.
There is rejoicing among the angels of God over every sinner who repents. Come on, you atheists. Repent while there still is time.
Wow. So I take it you believe it's fair? Have you actually thought it through, or do you just believe it's fair because your book tells you that it's fair?
So the serial killer and rapist converts just before getting the death sentence, all his sins are forgiven if he truly believes, and he is allowed into Heaven? The kind, charitable atheist who gave his life to save a bus full of christian schoolchildren, is thrown into the lake of fire and sentenced to eternal suffering?
This is one aspect of some religions I find extremely hard to grasp: If I were a god, I would certainly include some sort of "extenuating circumstances", such as "OK, this guy didn't believe in me, but he's pretty generous, kind and shit, so let's let him in".
I just can't fathom why a benevolent god would put belief in him/herself as the most important factor into being "on the Heaven list". Why would they even care about such a silly unimportant thing like that?
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