It's not a bad idea though, a piece of paper behind a door hinge is much easier than stamping 24 words in 12 different hinges.
But I'd rather put it in a hole in concrete, much better fire resistance and less likely for anyone to ever find.
Topic: Securing Your Seed Phrase with Washers - page 10. (Read 6990 times)
Door hinges, as it turned out, are made of nickel, brass, and even stainless steel 304 (easily googled in a well-known chinese store). And also, you can pick up other stainless steel fittings who want to hide the phrase under them. There is a wide field for creativity here.
*Don't try this if the furniture is not yours, obviously, like if you are renting an apartment.
It would probably be restricted to one piece of paper though. Because as you stuff more papers inside a hinge or any other place, really, it starts to get cumbersome to keep all the papers inside without overflowing.
Stuffing is a creative idea; but I believe we're talking about engraving the seed phrase onto the back part of the hinge (that faces the wood). 
Door hinges, as it turned out, are made of nickel, brass, and even stainless steel 304 (easily googled in a well-known chinese store). And also, you can pick up other stainless steel fittings who want to hide the phrase under them. There is a wide field for creativity here.
*Don't try this if the furniture is not yours, obviously, like if you are renting an apartment.
It would probably be restricted to one piece of paper though. Because as you stuff more papers inside a hinge or any other place, really, it starts to get cumbersome to keep all the papers inside without overflowing.
It's a pretty old idea, no? At least I've heard it a couple times before.
Definitely an alternative to washers in terms of acquiring a flat piece of metal at a cheap price, with built-in concealment.
Although I still believe washers to be the most versatile option, as well as more common in a wide variety of materials. I.e. I can get super-high-temp-special-washers, meanwhile it will be much harder to find similarly fire-resistant door hinges.
Definitely an alternative to washers in terms of acquiring a flat piece of metal at a cheap price, with built-in concealment.
Although I still believe washers to be the most versatile option, as well as more common in a wide variety of materials. I.e. I can get super-high-temp-special-washers, meanwhile it will be much harder to find similarly fire-resistant door hinges.
I guess washers are absolutely a superior choice. Again because they are easily moveable to a different location when needed. What might have you to do in case you need to clear your house in a few minutes?
In general, the idea is quite interesting. In fact, you can hide seed-phrase in this way in any piece of furniture that uses metal elements.
The challenge, in my opinion, is finding hinges (or other pieces of metal in your furniture) made of quality metal that are resistant to corrosion, shattering, and fire.
Door hinges, as it turned out, are made of nickel, brass, and even stainless steel 304 (easily googled in a well-known chinese store). And also, you can pick up other stainless steel fittings who want to hide the phrase under them. There is a wide field for creativity here.
It's a pretty old idea, no? At least I've heard it a couple times before.
Definitely an alternative to washers in terms of acquiring a flat piece of metal at a cheap price, with built-in concealment.
Although I still believe washers to be the most versatile option, as well as more common in a wide variety of materials. I.e. I can get super-high-temp-special-washers, meanwhile it will be much harder to find similarly fire-resistant door hinges.
Definitely an alternative to washers in terms of acquiring a flat piece of metal at a cheap price, with built-in concealment.
Although I still believe washers to be the most versatile option, as well as more common in a wide variety of materials. I.e. I can get super-high-temp-special-washers, meanwhile it will be much harder to find similarly fire-resistant door hinges.
I guess washers are absolutely a superior choice. Again because they are easily moveable to a different location when needed. What might have you to do in case you need to clear your house in a few minutes?
A nice idea to hide your seed:
Of course there is a big risk when you want to recover your seed, or that you unvoluntailty expose it if you forget it's hidden there! (it can happen!)
It's a pretty old idea, no? At least I've heard it a couple times before.Of course there is a big risk when you want to recover your seed, or that you unvoluntailty expose it if you forget it's hidden there! (it can happen!)
Definitely an alternative to washers in terms of acquiring a flat piece of metal at a cheap price, with built-in concealment.
Although I still believe washers to be the most versatile option, as well as more common in a wide variety of materials. I.e. I can get super-high-temp-special-washers, meanwhile it will be much harder to find similarly fire-resistant door hinges.
Sorry honey, I'm doing some online shopping, I'll put back the 12 doors when I'm done.
Those looks like hinges from a big closet/wardrobe. So probably detaching one of those at a time doesn't need to fully dismount the door.
But you are right, ultimately the problem is the security in writing/reading the seeds. A little bit like the scenario descrived here in the thread of the seed engraved on the external case of a safe in a wall.
Sorry honey, I'm doing some online shopping, I'll put back the 12 doors when I'm done.
A nice idea to hide your seed:
Of course there is a big risk when you want to recover your seed, or that you unvoluntailty expose it if you forget it's hidden there! (it can happen!)
Of course there is a big risk when you want to recover your seed, or that you unvoluntailty expose it if you forget it's hidden there! (it can happen!)
Still on the hunt for those containers. I like the look of them, and I'm sure there's other ways of going about it, but they satisfy the nerd in me.
I am just wondering which kind of tool you have at home.
I have no grease, no anvil, and no hammers. I basically had to buy everything for this guide while you guys have "home improvement-grade" sheds full of the weirdest tools.
I've just accumulated weird tools as life has progressed. So, I did have some of the stuff for this guide. I haven't got any grease that'll withstand that sort of temperature though. Same as the washers, I'm not sure the grade of metal used in my washers as they're plain, and a little beat up. They probably came off of something years ago that I can't remember. I have no grease, no anvil, and no hammers. I basically had to buy everything for this guide while you guys have "home improvement-grade" sheds full of the weirdest tools.
This is not the best solution, but in the case of limited components, it is quite acceptable.
The purpose of this guide was to provide a very basic way of safeguarding seed with very commonly available materials that can be bough basically everywhere without raising OpSec concern.
Nothing says this is the ultimate way of storing your seed.
I generally agree with that; I've definitely come across items that are commonplace in Europe and impossible to find in the US, and vice-versa.
However, I don't see how people in other locations would build anything without washers. This would be like saying 'oh yeah, over here we build furniture without screws' or 'we do not use nails'. Wherever you find screws (anywhere, no?) there should be washers nearby.
It's true that washers can be found anywhere in the world, but question is how good is quality of materials that is used to make them.However, I don't see how people in other locations would build anything without washers. This would be like saying 'oh yeah, over here we build furniture without screws' or 'we do not use nails'. Wherever you find screws (anywhere, no?) there should be washers nearby.
There are different types of stainless steel, and some cheap alternatives are made from regular steel or the use different metal alloys with worse specifications.
I would buy washers only from trusted sellers and always check label and specification for exact material that is used.
This is not the best solution, but in the case of limited components, it is quite acceptable.
I generally agree with that; I've definitely come across items that are commonplace in Europe and impossible to find in the US, and vice-versa.
However, I don't see how people in other locations would build anything without washers. This would be like saying 'oh yeah, over here we build furniture without screws' or 'we do not use nails'. Wherever you find screws (anywhere, no?) there should be washers nearby.
It's true that washers can be found anywhere in the world, but question is how good is quality of materials that is used to make them.However, I don't see how people in other locations would build anything without washers. This would be like saying 'oh yeah, over here we build furniture without screws' or 'we do not use nails'. Wherever you find screws (anywhere, no?) there should be washers nearby.
There are different types of stainless steel, and some cheap alternatives are made from regular steel or the use different metal alloys with worse specifications.
I would buy washers only from trusted sellers and always check label and specification for exact material that is used.
I generally agree with that; I've definitely come across items that are commonplace in Europe and impossible to find in the US, and vice-versa.
I've noticed it with ball bearings vs carbon brushes: the former are very cheap here, the latter very expensive (compared to international prices). Both are mass-produced and used in very large quantities. It doesn't make sense that only one of them is very expensive (1000-2000% price increase).Quote
However, I don't see how people in other locations would build anything without washers. This would be like saying 'oh yeah, over here we build furniture without screws' or 'we do not use nails'. Wherever you find screws (anywhere, no?) there should be washers nearby.
And if not, they can be produced locally from scrap metal. And we're worrying about high quality titanium to avoid corrosion or melting in a fire.Letter punches may be more difficult to find.
Getting those materials also depend on the location or the country of the buyer. You might think that those things are cheap in your area but might not be the same in another area.
I generally agree with that; I've definitely come across items that are commonplace in Europe and impossible to find in the US, and vice-versa.However, I don't see how people in other locations would build anything without washers. This would be like saying 'oh yeah, over here we build furniture without screws' or 'we do not use nails'. Wherever you find screws (anywhere, no?) there should be washers nearby.
All these is just to help me in saving cost as getting all those materials needed as listed by fillippone might soil my pocket at the moment. 
My advice for a budget: get washers (you'll need them anyway) or even cheaper: a plate of scrap metal. Buy letter punches. All the rest you can improvise MacGyver style.Definitely don't take my equipment list too literally. I just described an overkill configuration. But a bunch of washers, an hammer and a nut and a bold would be enough for a more than decent backup.
The important thing, like @LoyceV said, is security. Never expose your seed, or part of it, to anyone.
All these is just to help me in saving cost as getting all those materials needed as listed by fillippone might soil my pocket at the moment.
My advice for a budget: get washers (you'll need them anyway) or even cheaper: a plate of scrap metal. Buy letter punches. All the rest you can improvise MacGyver style.Definitely don't take my equipment list too literally. I just described an overkill configuration. But a bunch of washers, an hammer and a nut and a bold would be enough for a more than decent backup.
The important thing, like @LoyceV said, is security. Never expose your seed, or part of it, to anyone.
I am just wondering which kind of tool you have at home.
I have no grease, no anvil, and no hammers.
Just the usual I guess, I've collected it over the years. I started with cheap 40-in-1 boxes as a teenager, and now switched to buying only quality tools. I don't use them often, so I expect it to last a lifetime.I have no grease, no anvil, and no hammers.
I have come up with another idea of getting to use a goldsmith to print for me
That's a terrible idea!Quote
but with an aluminum steel.
What's that?Quote
For security of not exposing my seed phrase I also thought of taking each phrase seed to different goldsmiths
It's still terrible for security. Don't do this, don't risk it.Quote
All these is just to help me in saving cost as getting all those materials needed as listed by fillippone might soil my pocket at the moment.
You must live in a country with very low wages. Here, a goldsmit opening the door already costs more than all the equipment listed in this topic.My advice when you're on a budget: get washers (you'll need them anyway) or even cheaper: a plate of scrap metal. Buy letter punches. All the rest you can improvise MacGyver style.
At first when I saw the thread I thought to myself this is too time taking to read through, but then I had to go through it anyway and it was worth it in the almost about 30mins I spent to read through.
I am completely impressed with the whole idea of the corrosion-resistant stainless steel seed phrase storage as it going to last for decades if not for time immemorial in addition to other advantageous factors attached like it being fire safe too. But the whole cost of getting the entire enlisted materials available for the whole procedures raise a concern to me based on my financial feat, even though it is worth it. And so I have come up with another idea of getting to use a goldsmith to print for me (to cut cost in the purchase of materials) but with an aluminum steel. For security of not exposing my seed phrase I also thought of taking each phrase seed to different goldsmiths in different distant locations. All these is just to help me in saving cost as getting all those materials needed as listed by fillippone might soil my pocket at the moment.
I am completely impressed with the whole idea of the corrosion-resistant stainless steel seed phrase storage as it going to last for decades if not for time immemorial in addition to other advantageous factors attached like it being fire safe too. But the whole cost of getting the entire enlisted materials available for the whole procedures raise a concern to me based on my financial feat, even though it is worth it. And so I have come up with another idea of getting to use a goldsmith to print for me (to cut cost in the purchase of materials) but with an aluminum steel. For security of not exposing my seed phrase I also thought of taking each phrase seed to different goldsmiths in different distant locations. All these is just to help me in saving cost as getting all those materials needed as listed by fillippone might soil my pocket at the moment.
Oil could work, I suppose. Wouldn't that pose extra risks with fire then? Oil increasing the heat of a potential fire, and then still having to rely on the washers or containers supposed grade.
If that's a concern, you could use high-temperature grease, I have some C5-A at home that's supposed to withstand 1800 oF (980 oC). But a backup is a much simpler solution I am just wondering which kind of tool you have at home.
I have no grease, no anvil, and no hammers. I basically had to buy everything for this guide while you guys have "home improvement-grade" sheds full of the weirdest tools.
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