Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1? - page 19.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 31, 2023, 03:59:17 AM

So let me ask: even though I've been here for years, I still haven't learned all of the little details

Shame on you Tongue

Go read my Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system:

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I still see users, including high ranking accounts, who use the Trust system incorrectly. For the Trust system to be properly functioning while being decentralized, it's crucial that as many users as possible understand the difference between "feedback" and "Trust lists". Confusingly, the forum uses the word "Trust" for both.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 31, 2023, 03:59:17 AM

my trust list looks like this:

~DefaultTrust

Don't worry, I have a backup. Restore your Trust list (with at least 10 users), and you can be selected for DT1 and mean something for DT2 again.

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like if I added ~Ratimov would that do any good or is he just lumped in with my DT exclusion? If it's the latter, end of discussion.

Did you ask theymos to be excluded from DT1? If so, your exclusions only matter for the users who have you on their Trust list (and the users who included them). If not, all you have to do is "reactive" your Trust list. If "the good people" don't want to be part of DT1, the Trust system fails.

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Quote from: examplens on October 31, 2023, 04:32:52 AM

You are currently DT2 and adding ~Ratimov will not change much in his DT1 status. Given that your trust list is empty, you cannot be DT1, so even in the next DT selection, your vote will have no influence.
However, many have added you to their trust list, you are among the first few on the forum in terms of strength, so I believe that whatever you decide will have an impact, perhaps at least on someone else's decisions.

I've distrusted him as well. I don't know how much of an impact it will have but it just seemed the right thing to do.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 31, 2023, 03:59:17 AM

So let me ask: even though I've been here for years, I still haven't learned all of the little details, like if I added ~Ratimov would that do any good or is he just lumped in with my DT exclusion? If it's the latter, end of discussion. If not, I'll exclude him specifically ASAP with happy Halloween wishes and some advice to not let the door hit him on the way out.

You are currently DT2 and adding ~Ratimov will not change much in his DT1 status. Given that your trust list is empty, you cannot be DT1, so even in the next DT selection, your vote will have no influence.
However, many have added you to their trust list, you are among the first few on the forum in terms of strength, so I believe that whatever you decide will have an impact, perhaps at least on someone else's decisions.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 31, 2023, 03:59:17 AM

However, my trust list looks like this:

~DefaultTrust

Did you know that there is a troll who registered the username ~DefaultTrust Cheesy

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 31, 2023, 03:59:17 AM

I did about 12 minutes of reading through some of the links here and I'm of the opinion that he shouldn't be on DT.

Lol! That shows wisdom!

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 31, 2023, 03:59:17 AM

In the old days, there's no fucking way he'd be on DT2 much less DT1.

In the old days Ratimov would have been ridiculed to the Moon by Lauda or TMAN for his plagiarism and, for sure, he would not manage to get away with all his shenanigans which, eventually, pushed him into DT and in a position from which he abuses this forum and the users for years and now (almost) everybody seems afraid of him.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 31, 2023, 03:59:17 AM

if I added ~Ratimov would that do any good or is he just lumped in with my DT exclusion? If it's the latter, end of discussion. If not, I'll exclude him specifically ASAP with happy Halloween wishes and some advice to not let the door hit him on the way out.

Before the existence of this topic and LV's topic, he had a stunning +13 DT strength. After people started reading these topics thoroughly and understood how they were all fooled by this thief, some found courage and started deleting him from their Trust lists or distrusting him directly. As of now, his DT strength lowered from +13 to +4 so there is still needed to have some more DT users to exclude him, in order to eliminate him from DT.

Therefore, your exclusion would certainly help in resolving the problems created by this imposter for years in a row.

So, yes, if you distrust him this would help a lot in resolving this situation.

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You know what? Fuck it; I did about 12 minutes of reading through some of the links here and I'm of the opinion that he shouldn't be on DT. In the old days, there's no fucking way he'd be on DT2 much less DT1. I've got some questions about a few of the accusations I've read, but there's enough evidence for me to exclude him.

However, my trust list looks like this:

~DefaultTrust

So let me ask: even though I've been here for years, I still haven't learned all of the little details, like if I added ~Ratimov would that do any good or is he just lumped in with my DT exclusion? If it's the latter, end of discussion. If not, I'll exclude him specifically ASAP with happy Halloween wishes and some advice to not let the door hit him on the way out.

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Quote from: holydarkness on October 31, 2023, 03:16:21 AM

they can always ask LV to whitelist them.

Yeah, they can try Tongue

Anyone who thinks tagging imposters is trust abuse is free to exclude me from their Trust list. Or maybe you should think about who you're rooting for here. Imposters are up to no good.

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Quote from: digaran on October 30, 2023, 04:31:14 PM

Sorry but did you guys just tagged a user based only on the similarities of usernames, without them doing anything? Or they did something we can't find? Why proxy ban though if they haven't done anything wrong?
Talking about trust abuse etc, hence the need to say this.

Proxy ban is not set by an individual, not mods and certainly not DTs, rather by the system which reads and records the history of your IP. That account probably haven't done anything wrong, but the previous account made under that IP did. And if they didn't, let's say the owner of that username is simply a "collateral damage" of someone else's "sins", and they [understandably] feel it burdening to pay the evil fee, they can always ask LV to whitelist them.

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Sorry but did you guys just tagged a user based only on the similarities of usernames, without them doing anything? Or they did something we can't find? Why proxy ban though if they haven't done anything wrong?
Talking about trust abuse etc, hence the need to say this.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 30, 2023, 07:27:54 AM

Quote from: Xal0lex on October 30, 2023, 07:23:40 AM

User is proxybanned, so you don't have to worry.

That just means he's one deposit away from activating. I've tagged the imposter.

There's a rather large sum of evil out there. I don't think anyone would pay that much. Anyway, I can let you know if anything changes.

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Quote from: Xal0lex on October 30, 2023, 07:23:40 AM

User is proxybanned, so you don't have to worry.

That just means he's one deposit away from activating. I've tagged the imposter.

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on October 30, 2023, 06:06:21 AM

Everybody please be aware that an account named GazetaBitcoinSV has been registered yesterday. In the light of recent events (Ratimov being exposed for Trust abuse done for years in a row, Ratimov exposed for deleting his old topics for covering his plagiarism), I tend to believe that this account was registered either by Ratimov or by one of his minions.

User is proxybanned, so you don't have to worry.

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Everybody please be aware that an account named GazetaBitcoinSV has been registered yesterday. In the light of recent events (Ratimov being exposed for Trust abuse done for years in a row, Ratimov exposed for deleting his old topics for covering his plagiarism), I tend to believe that this account was registered either by Ratimov or by one of his minions.

Quote from: Shishir99 on October 29, 2023, 08:19:04 AM

What a backfiring. I see his silence at this point. I didn't see any of his posts in these threads in the last two or three days. Did he post a word regarding his actions?

No, he just defied any form of common sense and decided to delete his plagiarized topics in plain sight. And he tries to stay hidden, just like TimeLord when all DT eyes are on him.

Quote from: Shishir99 on October 29, 2023, 08:19:04 AM

If it continues, he will lose his DT strenth

He still has a +4 DT strength now, but I hope that other DT users will add him to their distrust list and solve once and for all all the disgusting abuses made by Ratimov.

Quote from: Shishir99 on October 29, 2023, 08:19:04 AM

I guess he is frustrated with his own action at this moment.

You can bet on that. Poor plagiarist and Trust abuser hoped for years that he can get away with all these. But truth always prevails, even after years.

Quote from: Shishir99 on October 29, 2023, 08:19:04 AM

He should have think twice before his actions towards others

He should have thought about the consequences of his action years ago, when he started to plagiarize the work of other authors and present it as it was his work. This is where it all started. Fourth most merited forum user? What a joke...

Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 29, 2023, 11:09:05 AM

Do you think he cares about his reputation on how people distrust him or not

Of course he cares. But he reached a point from where he can't get away with all his shenanigans anymore.

Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 29, 2023, 11:09:05 AM

after my judgement I have to put him off from my trust and I know more people are to remove him anytime soon as well.

Distrusting him was a very good decision. Let's hope that others will do the same.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on October 29, 2023, 09:15:19 PM

Using half an hour of your time will help you to make an informative decision that you will not regret later. Have you read the main topic yet?

Gaaaaahhhh!!! I know I'm just one of many members on that list in your post, but I was PMed about this matter twice and just haven't been as attentive to it as I feel I should be--and apologies to OP for that, because it was never my intention to blow you off.

This discussion of Ratimov has not been on my radar lately, but that has less to do with interest and more to do with real life stuff taking precedence. I've already posted here, but when my mind clears up I'm going to do my best to read through everything thoroughly so I can understand the issues and then give an informed opinion.

Thank you BitcoinGirl.Club for lighting a fire under my ass.

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I had time to remove some users from mentioning in this post. Some user seems not active in the forum and some do not seem to have interest in discussion but the following users I found don't mind taking part in discussions and I will expect some feedback from them about the whole things.

wwzsocki, LFC_Bitcoin, klarki, The Sceptical Chymist, imhoneer, CryptopreneurBrainboss, Best_Change, andy_pelevin , KTChampions, Coin-1, Bitcoin_Arena, tranthidung, tvplus006, witcher_sense, DdmrDdmr, madnessteat, 1miau, FontSeli, YOSHIE, bullrun2020bro, light_warrior.

Using half an hour of your time will help you to make an informative decision that you will not regret later. Have you read the main topic yet?

Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 29, 2023, 11:09:05 AM

Do you think he cares about his reputation on how people distrust him or not

He cares but he has ran out of stories. He knows he has caught red handed.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 29, 2023, 05:00:06 AM

This was just in the last week (until Saturday morning's Trust data dump).

Do you think he cares about his reputation on how people distrust him or not, after my judgement I have to put him off from my trust and I know more people are to remove him anytime soon as well.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 29, 2023, 05:00:06 AM

This was just in the last week (until Saturday morning's Trust data dump).

What a backfiring. I see his silence at this point. I didn't see any of his posts in these threads in the last two or three days. Did he post a word regarding his actions? If it continues, he will lose his DT strenth, and his feedback on others' profiles won't show as default trust anymore. I guess he is frustrated with his own action at this moment. He should have think twice before his actions towards others because he should understand that he has some weight in the forum and people cares about his actions.

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Ratimov should take a hint:

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Trust list for: Ratimov (Trust: +23 / =2 / -1) (11809 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2023-10-28_Sat_05.07h)

Ratimov's judgement is Trusted by:
8. Removed ~~owlcatz (Trust: +45 / =0 / -0) (904 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)~~
25. Removed ~~CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +20 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 3738 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)~~
36. Removed ~~nakamura12 (Trust: neutral) (651 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)~~
53. Removed ~~Despairo (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (736 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)~~
62. Removed ~~SmartGold01 (Trust: neutral) (556 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)~~

~Ratimov's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. NEW Foxpup (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 1862 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW BitcoinGirl.Club (Trust: +1 / =5 / -0) (DT1! (9) 1531 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. NEW icopress (Trust: +40 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (20) 5828 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. NEW DireWolfM14 (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (4156 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
32. NEW SmartGold01 (Trust: neutral) (556 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

This was just in the last week (until Saturday morning's Trust data dump).

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Quote from: digaran on October 28, 2023, 05:04:49 PM

Well, if he decides to remove his unjust tags from several? Forum members and then decides to put aside childish grudges, forgives any insults and just continues his life, I don't see any reason to remove him from DT.

But you know, we humans just can't think beyond our personal feelings, meaning we are incapable of forgiving insults,(to achieve the capability one has to be so great of a person with so much practicing, we can achieve that).

I don't know if you ever experienced this or not, when someone is insulting you, if you ignore by forgiving him, and if you do not seek revenge, the other person would feel ashamed and most importantly they learn from you.

But again, you know? Ego is hard to put a leash on.

From experience, when I see such people, I start respecting them, they become someone I'd like to look up to, that's how one can build a strong character in a community.

This is what I did the first time I came into this thread, I shied away from distrusting him because he removed his "unjust" tags, and I perceived it as his way to deescalate the situation. But he's giving the feedback again when the "deal" "blown off", both on Gazeta and BGC's case, indicating that the feedbacks he left are indeed retaliatory, and an abuse of DT power. After this, I still tried to understand his reasoning behind those feedbacks, to see if it's justifiable, which he didn't reply, and which I then can only assume is because the answer is simply that: retaliatory.

So, will he be removed from Tilde if he removes his tag from several members for this "childish grudges"? If I may ask back, what's the reason he remove them? Was it simply to get him off the distrust list of many users? The problem is not the childish grudges, Gazeta pointed them on the err... enormous essay he wrote on the first post, it's the Trust abuse, using feedback as bargaining chip, and I think the Tilde should only be removed when he understood that feedback system are there to cater forum's need to help its members in deals and the risk involved in dealing with that user, not... whatever he currently perceive them.

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Well, if he decides to remove his unjust tags from several? Forum members and then decides to put aside childish grudges, forgives any insults and just continues his life, I don't see any reason to remove him from DT.

But you know, we humans just can't think beyond our personal feelings, meaning we are incapable of forgiving insults,(to achieve the capability one has to be so great of a person with so much practicing, we can achieve that).

I don't know if you ever experienced this or not, when someone is insulting you, if you ignore by forgiving him, and if you do not seek revenge, the other person would feel ashamed and most importantly they learn from you.

But again, you know? Ego is hard to put a leash on.

From experience, when I see such people, I start respecting them, they become someone I'd like to look up to, that's how one can build a strong character in a community.

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Quote from: Rikafip on October 28, 2023, 11:26:53 AM

One more thing, this "Ratimov" thing that you keep doing is neither funny or smart but instead childish as that's what kids do

Pardon me for outlining his main characteristic, after he spoiled me and my family, like a true gentleman (plus dozens of other forum users).

Quote from: Rikafip on October 28, 2023, 11:26:53 AM

I do agree with many things that you presented in this thread (not with everything though) therefore I added him to my distrust list.

Thank you for doing that, Rikafip! He has +4 strength now so I hope that other DT users will do the same.

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