Topic: Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1? - page 17. (Read 9810 times)

Of course, it matters digaran!
No matter what people did with you. You should not do what they did with you. If you believe they used the system incorrectly (which I doubt), you should not do the same. If you do the same, what is the difference between you and them? I am not in the DT network, and I am very far from that because several DT members already added me to their exclusion list. That does not really mean I have to use the system however I want. The only way to get rid of it (get rid of their exclusion) is by contributing positively and showing them that I am improving.

I believe I don't have to ask them to remove the exclusion once they notice I have improved myself. If I continue using the system incorrectly, it won't fix things. Let's say ten people distrust you at this moment. If they see you are using the system incorrectly, more people will distrust you. But If they see you have removed your old posts/feedback that are controversial and using the system correctly, they are likely to remove you from their exclusion list. That's what I feel.

In fact, I listen to neutral feedback from many users, it's just that actmyname's tags are the most common, which is why I mentioned them.

Yep, and actmyname did the right thing as far as changing his negs to neutrals.  In my case, I didn't think changing all of the negatives I left to neutrals would have any effect, so I did the easiest thing and just deleted them.  Now that you mentioned that actmyname's neutrals did make a difference in the eyes of campaign managers....wow, I regret not taking the time to do what he did. 

On the other hand, there was probably a lot of overlap between the two of us.  We were both on a rampage back then.

I have no idea what you're referring to; please don't clarify the above; and let's just move forward and not return to wherever it is that quote came from.  LOL.

My ratings won't show, so it doesn't matter, but since you mentioned it, they were promoting a phishing/fake wallet/link, that's why the topic was removed by mods. About DaveF, you can read his original reason here, but recently he did it again, to defend "forum members", just a typical bully, you have to deal with bullies with brute force, just like what happened here, but even though I don't think OP's main concern is to punish a "cheater" or trust abuser, this is deeper and you have to find the root.

Otherwise why nobody else tagged Ratimov for trust abuse and plagiarizing on top? Why are most of the DT members refrain from tagging other DTs for reasons as trust abuse, "trolling" "harassing"? Because of the possibility of retaliation.

No worries though, I have no official complaints, God willing sooner or later their wealth will hang on my reputation, how they say it? If you spit upwards, it lands back on your face, or something like that.😉

I think leaving a neutral for it is fine. It is interesting to me that actmyname's neutral ratings are some of the only neutrals that matter as far as campaign managers are concerned. But they are well-reasoned: a shitload of spam reports against the user were marked as "Good", according to him, and why would he lie about that (I don't think that he would).


"Lawd have mercy." - Sizable African-American Lady

I feel like I must chime in to say that I have left negative feedbacks like the ones above about shitposting, but that was before the merit system and the trust system was the only powerful tool DT members had to combat the plague that was going on at the time.  I had to delete a ton of feedback after January 2018 because after that it was a strict no-no to neg someone for being a shitposter.  In addition, nobody ever accused me of feedback extortion but there was certainly a lot of controversy about the trust I was leaving (and actmyname, too).  But as in so many other things, it was worked out by the community communicating just as we are here.

I'm no angel, and I'm not even sure I'm worthy of that praise you shot my way, but I try to be a somewhat steadying influence nowadays.  I did not start out that way, and that's something I thought I should clarify.  

OK, but to be fair I took a look at the first page of your sent feedback, and you've left negs on people for promoting closed-source HW wallets, which I find to be inappropriate.  A neutral might be fair, but why in the world would you give a red trust to somebody for that reason?  Account selling, fine.  You and I both agree that can seriously affect the forum in a negative way, but I'd suggest reevaluating some of the red trust you've left before complaining about the red trust you've got.

I recently added DaveF to my trust list and I see that he was one of the members who negged you.  I might have to take a look into that.

I would add that I think Ratimov, after the fuck-up he made with the thread deletion, is playing his cards right atm, not getting into the fray. I guess he'll wait for things to cool down over time.

You are insulting.

I call it: "Irrelevant"! You seem to be missing the point. Nobody is trying to stop Ratimov from insulting people anymore, which means others have given up on that. In your case, there's still hope of improvement. That's a good thing!

If someone can get to your nerves on the internet, you are giving them way too much power. Who cares what someone who's opinion you don't value thinks about you? Unless you want to lower yourself to their level, of course.

Sincerely,
Switzerland.

Week after week more and more people open their eyes and react to Ratimov's disgusting abuses / shenanigans and intellectual theft:



Thank you all for taking action against this fraudster!

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Thank you for involving in this, 1miau!

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Insulting? Pardon me, but if I am insulting, then what do you call this:


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About being ironic -- this is part of me. I had it before Ratimov started "spoiling" me; I have it now too; and I'll have it for the rest of my life. Perhaps if you'd be "spoiled" with such nice words too, you'd take him in your arms and thank him for his kind words?

If you are loaded with reasons the best thing you can do is to stop being ironic and insulting, as I think you have already stopped doing in some cases, for example by stopping writing Ratimov, you will be much better off. It is a mistake I made in the past and looking at it from the fence the best thing you can do is to provide rational arguments, emotionally neutral, and let things fall under their own weight.

My conclusions:
GazetaBitcoin has translated many of our topics and GazetaBitcoin has co-sponsored several innovative campaigns like this one: Campaign to improve posting quality for local boards

Probably, he forgot about it as well and as we know from recent cases that's enough to get away with plagiarism nowadays... 

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Wow, seems like you are still butthurt for the 2 negative trusts you received recently.  
So, it's 6 negative trusts for you and still counting.  

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After watching all the past days (weeks?), I've really tried to give Ratimov the benefit of doubt here that the whole issue will be settled in a nice way. But after these past actions, it's pretty clear that the outcome is not satisfying and as a logical conclusion, I've no different choice from distrusting ~Ratimov. There are just too many incidents.
I would really like to avoid that step but for now, I don't see any valid arguments left to continue to give him the benefit of doubt.

You're acting a little naive here, aren't you?
You have a negative tag from 6 different members, also, the neutral tag has bad epithets for you, this is not accidental. There is no good reason for negative feedback, they always come because of bad things and reasons.

Think a little better about the second part of your statement, isn't it logical that if you have a proven red tag on your account, you shouldn't be a DT? Although there are exceptions here as well DT1 and DT2 members who have negative feedback (or are banned)

Totally untrue, or at least you are unaware of the truth.
Recently 3 people left me 3 red tags for absolutely no "good" reason, and nobody said anything, and even if anyone said something, nobody else cared, but if I was a DT member, they wouldn't have dared to tag me.

This is unfortunately the case here, if OP wasn't a DT member, they wouldn't care to participate in this discussion, but guess what? Someone's reputation is important at least for themselves, DT or not, but everyone here only thinks about their benefit.

They might consider trust abusers feedbacks unfair, unjust, but they won't do anything about it, because they can't get anything from me in return. If OP wasn't DT, this would have happened to him as well.

Reputation here means power and money, nothing else.
When they start to feel their own power/money making opportunity is at risk, they will exclude Ratimov in a blink of an eye, otherwise forget it, because for how long people like him plus jellygood etc have been doing such blatant abuse? You don't see them excluded do you?

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Thanks for the joke OP.

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Edit: @examplens, how familiar are you about my problem from 5 years ago? If you are not in the loop, don't judge.

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Second edit: , responding to meow1 posted below, @meow1, keep laughing, just in case you haven't noticed, I need more unjust tags, to justify my motives when the time comes, dig faster.

I sense a fearsome gang here. Like the Corléone family gang. There was nothing Ratimov could do. LaGazetta was a made man and Ratimov wasn’t.

bullrun2020bro DT1 no longer trusts Ratimov. His strength dropped to +4 now.

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This is true, but do you see me worshiping any of them? Nope. Similar, I also don't see you worshiping LV. Respect is something, worshiping is different.


This is also true. But if evidence would be presented I would, at least, properly read it before acting like a blind fanatic and saying it does not exist.
Besides, lets' think about this: why true reputable users of this forum are not involved / associated / accused of such miserable things like plagiarism / extortion through Trust feedbacks / Trust abuses / leaving retaliatory false feedbacks?

Why LV never left a feedback like this: "Stupid degenerate, liar and shitposter."?
Why fillippone never left a feedback like this: ""Stupid degenerate, liar and shitposter."?
Why 1miau never wrote a feedback like this: "A fuckhead with a broken head. After being raped by all the WEX employees, taking all his mother's money [...]"?

Have you ever seen these users, which are exemplary for the forum (not just the ones mentioned above) use Trust system like that?

Have anyone accused p_e_l_e_o of plagiarism?

Have anyone accused The Pharmacist of feddback extortion?

The answer to all these questions is "No".

This is because these users are examples, indeed. They are also Merit Sources and (with few exceptions) DT1 users. And they act fair and decent.

Ratimov, instead, is a joke. A bad joke. A fraudster, a liar and a thief. No exemplary user has been ever associated with all the disgusting things he did / does.


I could, but I have another Master In fact, I said that multiple times, haven't I?

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Where have I tried to involve you? In case you misread my previous post, then re-read it:



I have no idea what position I'm in and how it is weak.


All the possible evidence for all my statements. The only requirements to see it are: (1) to have eyes; (2) to be able to read; (3) to be willing to read.


No idea. Which conclusions can you make of that?


Then why did you get here?


Too bad for you. Some are interested.


So you admit that he plagiarized LMAO!


Where did I blame people and in what "different things"? What are these "different things"? Can you be more precise, please?

It is unlikely that there are cases when you are tagged for no reason, especially by those people who you would like to participate in the signature. Therefore, start to really look at things and read more carefully the topics in which you are going to participate.
Among other things, this topic is relevant as long as it is read; all recent events may change the opinion of other DTs.
And you need to stop growing alternative accounts..

Isn't it need 6 DT1 members to distrust him since DT with 0 strength is still a DT?

I don't think it's a gang, but it's an open discussion especially for DT1 members. Even you're not a DT, you can trust or distrust any user too.

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Reported few posts because it's off topic, not sure if the moderators will delete it or not.

Hah?

examplens act like naive? Can you please tell me what you understand from this thread? Do you even know how DT1 members get selected by the admin? What icopress have to do with the thread? What examplens has to do with icopress? What do you consider an analysis when it's clearly not any analysis but it's the system?

GazetaBitcoin created this thread because he believes Ratimov should not be in DT1 and wrote why he thinks so. The community members joined the discussion and even some of the DT1 members excluded him from their trust list. So, GazetaBitcoin is kind of a success with his thread.

DT1 members get selected once a month. Even if Ratimov is selected for November 2023 does not mean he will be there forever. His DT strength is 5 at this moment which was 12 a few days ago. If six more DT1 exclude him, he won't be there anymore because he will lose his strength.

Do not engage in something that you do not understand at all. Icopress's neutral tag is fair enough. At least you proved that once again.


You should ignore him as it's obvious he does not understand what is he talking about. He proved that Icopress's tag is justified.

I didn't say anything about people and who is here and why. I just tried to give you some basics of how the DT system works. Based on your previous post, it seemed to me that you don't understand very well.


Obviously, GazetaBitcoin(OP) care about that. I believe this is one of the reasons why he started the discussion "Should Ratimov be in DT1?"


I'm not a thread opener, I don't expect anything from here.


Campaigns have nothing to do with this. Here, for example, the OP ^{GazetaBitcoin} is currently not a participant in any campaign.


Who am I abusing and what didn't end well?
It seems to me that you missed the point with the previous post and now you are trying to distract from it with other accusations. It's not a problem if you make a mistake because you don't know something, every day we learn something new.
But there is no reason to hold on to the wrong attitude because it is difficult to admit a wrong statement.


Again, I didn't open this thread and I can't close it.

Being here in the forum you still act like a naive. I got tagged from icopress without any reason while he gets ignored with his alts. You should understand that there are humans here who generally don't come as they fear him. Your analysis is good but who cares when Ratimov is still a DT1. I have respect for your analysis but that doesn't make any sense as you will not gain anything from this thread
 
I do feel that most of you are from the mixer campaign and you guys are doing such bad!