Topic: Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1? - page 18. (Read 9825 times)

Obviously, you do not understand how the DT system works. The fact that he was selected in DT1 after the November reshuffle does not guarantee that he has to stay there until next month. And yes, that's only for November. Currently, his DT strength is (5), which means that 5 distrust by DT1 members, excludes him regardless of the selection made by the administrator.
With everything I've read here, even more pressure is to be expected.

From DT1-strength (I added the current week to the data):
Ratimov's DT1-position took a hit, but he's been lower in the past.

While everyone was discussing wheather Ratimov should be removed as a DT1 member. It is now clear after the post from the admin of this forum that he will remain as a DT1 member. The gang that has been trying to defeat him got defeated. This topic should now be locked until the next time. As there is nothing that anyone here can do to question him or getting  recognised as a DT1 member.

I don't think you're helping your case by looking at Merit amounts without looking at the posts. Theymos says to complain to him:

That's the idea The previous Trust system wasn't perfect, the current system isn't perfect either, but I get that theymos wants to keep his hands off as much as possible. So it's up to us.

As a Merit source, this really doesn't matter much. The whole point of being a Merit source is sending them to decent posts, and if users post on boards I read frequently, they're more likely to receive them. I've seen "slacking" again, it keeps piling up so I need to send more!

That's the thing with Merit: for the receiver, it (often) means a lot. I didn't even remember this (until I read back your quote). I've sent 45k sMerit, and as long as the user isn't a spammer, I'm happy with it.

So being the top most Merit sender makes me the largest slave owner on Bitcointalk? Allow me: go free!

If my position is not needed, then why are you trying to involve me? To show that your position is weak? I'm not the only one who sees that.

What evidence did you show? There is a discussion about plagiarism held several years ago and several cases of conflicts of different users with Ratimov with mutual inappropriate tags. Additionally we see that Ratimov deleted or crashed many dozens of topics, what is bad, but doesn't relate to Trust system. All other things are your assumptions.

If you would do everything for merits you get (your top fans are 1miau and fillippone, which conclusions should we make of that?), it doesn't mean that others see the things the same way. When you see someone from Russian board whose "Merit Fan" is Ratimov and assume that it means it says everything, everyone who knows that Ratimov is a merit source from Russian board with the biggest monthly sMerit amount (1000 sMerits a month, as far as I know) will see that you are manipulating facts to exclude everyone from Russian board from the discussion if they don't support your position. But if Ratimov is most active in Russian board (at least two-thirds of his posts are in Russian board according to ninjastic.space) then who is expected to know him better? He does many good things for forum and Russian board and deserves merits he gets. So you'll see that he got many merits from all or nearly all members of Russian board. Do you really want to assure each and every that nearly all members of Russian board are blind? Everyone can see from reports in different topics that if we see plagiarism in our board we don't tolerate it and report it, with all our "tribalism", because we like our board being clean and tidy.

But you decided to use that assumption with a number of merits to blame moderators of Russian board. We already know that it revealed that these accusations are false. You have some assumptions and you don't bother to prove them, but easily blame everyone who don't support your position in which you are emotionally involved (you even insult Ratimov nearly each time you mention him recently).

So let's go further. I didn't want to get to this topic. I suppose that you are not right, but Ratimov is not right in this case also. So it was between you and him until you decided to go further and to start blaming first mods of Russian board, then me, then who else?

But okay, what evidence do I expect? That the case has something more than a story held several years ago and several conflicts of different people with Ratimov where I don't see any parties which are right in their tags. You blame him that he deletes his posts to hide his crimes for years. But it is just an assumption, it was never proved. I walked through several of those deleted topics and didn't find anything compromising. If you can show that I just didn't watch correctly and there are multiple  cases of some wrong things which continued for years as you say, it can change my mind. I don't really think you have those proofs. As I said in this topic previously, Ratimov was the first one I ever distrusted, so I know he made mistakes in the past. He did a lot positive things before I changed my position and added him to my trust list. I'm not inclined in fast decisions, I prefer to think and analyse the evidence.

I'm not interested in what happend several years ago. It is probably true, but it was years ago. The things are changed. I suppose that all those who use that old case to leave tags nowadays are wrong: leaving tags basing on what is a matter of forum rules (like plagiarism) is not a consensus decision in a Trust system and an idea of forgiveness for old cases is something that is recommended. Leaving a retaliatory tag is wrong also.

So if there are no really new cases, then I'm not interested in participating in this drama. And when you are blaming people in different things just to involve them into this drama it looks not as good as you expect.

As far as I can see Ratimov, who last month was in DT2, has returned to DT1, with less strenght, as already commented.


I don't see much strength in this argument. You are almost Legendary only with the merits that fillippone has given you and something similar happens with 1miau, besides they are the two favorite profiles of yours to send sMerit to. At a lower level, the same happens to me with LoyceV, thanks to whom I ranked up to Sr member.


Leaving aside the issue of merit, I have a high regard for LoyceV, as I assume you do for the other two. So, if there were a reputation thread against them, I suppose in principle we would be more skeptical and require more evidence to turn against them. It's a normal thing. You could also apply that ironic tone to these cases, saying that fillippone and 1miau are your masters, just as mine would be LoyceV.

You're currently on DT2 level, the trust list made you eligible for DT1 position on the next monthly reshuffle, but with or without the custom list, you can still be on DT2 because DT2 were "chosen" by DT1. Being on DT1 allows you to not only "appoint" someone to be DT2, it also allows you to vote out another DT1 [like what's being discussed on this thread]. So yeah, I agree with LV and Learn Bitcoin, best way to fix the system is from within, by being in the system itself and try to ensure it works as what theymos intended it to be

That's the only way to fix these things. If you believe more people are misusing the system, your participation will help to improve it. Boycotting the DT feature will give abusers more power to continue doing their shit. You and a few more veteran forum members decided to boycott the DT feature for some reason. I didn't know if your trust list was empty or not. Among other veteran members, dkbit98 is another one, if I am not wrong.

All you can do is rebuild your trust list with at least ten people on your list. You guys have spent a couple of years already, and I guess you have more than ten people you may trust based on your experience.

Don't know about all that, but I've had enough experience with members' behavior here to see the signs of shady shit in progress.

LoyceV, there's no way I'm going to read about the intricacies of the trust system at this point, though I appreciate the link.  And why?  Because Theymos broke the whole thing when he introduced the rotating DT thing (not that a default trust list was ever a perfect idea) and hence why I effectively boycotted the system.

If you're saying I'm no longer on any level of DT because of my trust settings, I'll admit I didn't know it worked that way--but honestly I don't care if I'm on it or not.  I used to.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about that I had a misunderstanding about.  Well, let me think about it.  I suppose if the DT system is going to exist, however shattered it is, I probably ought to attempt to help make sure bad things don't happen.

CryptopreneurBrainboss and 1miau deleted him from their Trust list.

I am also hoping the remaining users will see this post.

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zasad@ is excluded from this list, since it's obvious he will keep Ratimov's side forever, after he received "only" 964 merits from Ratimov, which means he almost became Legendary just from these merit showers.

jokers10's position is also not needed anymore, since he acts like the guy which never saw a giraffe before: after he sees it, while the giraffe is in front of his eyes, he says: "that thing does not exist". So he sees it, it's right there. But it does not exist. Similar, jokers10, although he saw all the possible evidence about Ratimov's Trust abuses / plagiarism / fooling forum users for years / intellectual theft / extortion in feedbacks and Trust exclusions / fooling mods / deleting old topics to cover his plagiarism etc., etc., etc., he still needs "some evidence". The evidence is right in front of his eyes, but he is unable to see it.

I am still expecting a position from the other users mentioned above.

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Now let's talk also a bit about jokers10 and let's see why he is so vehement pro-Ratimov. BitcoinGirl.Club, are you ready?



Now what do we have here? So, first of all, Ratimov is main recipient of jokers10's sMerits. Then, not surprising at all, Ratimov is his no. 1 merit fan, with no less than 474 merits -- which means that he almost became Hero only with the merit showers from Ratimov.

After seeing these stats, it's understandable why jokers10 serves his Master with so much vehemence, right? I hope it's crystal clear now.

Almost 6 years to be accurate, your birthday is only 5 days away.  

You can look that up on GazetaBitcoin's profile page: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gazetabitcoin-1285797
GazetaBitcoin is almost 6 years old (November 6 is GazetaBitcoin's birthday, don't forget it!)
Now you know!

I'm not that old, I'm almost 1 year younger than GazetaBitcoin...

But you are still a Baby (and obviously you are a Bandit already, to be accurate (that's quite a shame, isn't it?)...


Are you always that bad when doing some basic research or is the issue above and your strange accusation against GazetaBitcoin your only incident?

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Edit because I just saw it right now:
I don't need to comment on anything as trust is solely a personal decision.
In addition, I've removed Ratimov from my trust list already (2?) weeks ago, so your list is an old one.

Of course I reserve any further steps as more time will pass.

I could never dispute with Foxpup the custody over LV's "minionship" since, after all, I am also her "minion". At least, I think I am


Yes, so sad...

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Other than that, it seems that Ratimov did not stop purging evidence of his plagiarism after the apparition of LV's topic and he also did not shy away anymore, as he usually did in the past when DT eyes were on him. This time his only reason to stop was a warning that he'll be banned.


Ironic, the warning came from a mod which has no power to ban him, yet since the issue was escalated to theymos the warning was very serious and he understood that now he is not only fooling forum users around, as he did for 5 years in a row and this time he is actually risking to be banned. That being said I am very curious about what other frauds and ways to fool regular users & mods he will find. What's certain is that he is very ingenious at that.

I'll field this one, since it was actually one of my minions, technically speaking. At least, I think it was. There are so many minions on this forum it's hard to keep track of them all.

They didn't, nor would they want to. There's something like a thousand new accounts being created every day. Getting a notification for every single one wouldn't be useful to anyone. The imposter's account was identified by another method. Think harder.

Literally nobody said that, as that makes no sense. Can you really think of no possible ulterior motives for creating an account with a similar name as another user than to merely annoy people?

I can try. Meanwhile, can you try reading this topic? [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies). It was addressed to Newbies but I think you also fall in this category, since you quote a full post in order to say a few words.


If you don't care then what are you doing inside this topic?


Then once again: why are you posting here?


Can you please pinpoint me where I ever said that he should create such account?


6. I barely learned to write.


Gee, thanks!

Yeah he sure did... 👏 Then your minion maybe can answer my question instead? Hey minion.
How can you get a notification when a new user create an account on this forum? Thanks in advance.

Only 5 replies? So cute, can you do more next time please? I don't care what Ratimov or anyone else done in their past.
I read the topic and its only nonsense-nerd-drama.
It's true I don't know what he have done or you have done and as I said.. I don't care, but saying that he should create an account in your name just to annoy you, how old are you? for real? 11?
Ayway! Enjoy your drama with your cool club! I see you guys are quite busy here so I won't take up more of your precious time.

Probably you are very mighty -- disregard that. I meant this: probably you were off-topic.


No idea what your question was. But this usually happens when you are off-topic.


One of my "minions" drew my attention about that account.



Because my "minions" already did the job.



Your statement was already self-explanatory.

But let me try explain you even better: you have no idea what Ratimov did here in the past (nor about what he kept doing up to present day); you did not even care to read OP (which has plenty of links depicting his shenanigans from the past); then you go off-topic again. Perhaps now you understand why your previous post was deleted.

Since nobody had the courage to answer me last time and only had the courage to report my post so I ask again.
How can you get a notification when a new user create an account on this forum? and why you don't tag the account yourself, why was your minions friends needed to do it?
This was... very strange.

I have no idea about the past, but this seems more like a try to get a user out of the nerdy DT-world and to help it just make up as much stuff as possible about the user, this is some hardcore sick stuff.

Please do share these requirements with us, for our enlightenment. I always thought anyone could include or exclude anyone on their trust list that they see fit. "Anyone" meaning DT members as well.

And I have another question for you: what does the "D" stand for in "DT" when you write it, according to you?

The Pharmacist (or whatever he's calling himself these days) needs to cull the majority of his trust feedbacks which are incorrect.

Anyone DT trusting that user does so contrary to the requirements of DT selection.

Uh-huh... I did not see that The Pharmacist emptied his Trust list. In any case, what you stated is very true: such a move made by The Pharmacist would certainly influence many others, giving them courage to do the same.


Thank you for involving in this, PokerPlayer!

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I hope this vouch can convince suchmoon too