Topic: Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1? - page 22. (Read 9695 times)

I don’t think Lauda left the forum because she got caught. She made lots of enemies during her time in the forum and before she left the forum she was trying to make peace with everybody. She sent me a PM too because somehow she was angry with me for some stupid reason. I think she left the forum because she was threatened. She was waging war with almost everybody and while I think she was right most of the time, sometimes she wasn’t. Even if she was right all the time, it is impossible to take every cheater fuckface head on.

Some of us made some mistakes during our first days/years in this forum but nobody noticed or cared about it till these accounts became big shots. Once this happens, the enemies of these accounts start doing the detective work. They search every old post of yours and look for an opening and sometimes they find it.

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Some people also think this forum is a game. They simply game it till they win and we all know some gamers cheat.

If you can create long ass topics full information you’ll get merit points, the more merits you get the more friends you’ll have. If you consistently post in a topic where people make jokes and post memes, it will create a similar effect. Then you will become a regular. You are the boss of that thread. Nobody can fuck with you there.

A wise man once said:

“A man without friends is a man without power.”

Sometimes they don’t even put any effort to create good content or post memes. They create an army of sockpuppets and feed each other with merits. Even on this day I can see these people sometimes but I don’t care anymore because once you catch them doing something stupid, they won’t give up. They will become smarter and try the same cheat again but using a more complicated way this time.

Wait.. ratimov? Who is he? I don’t know anything about him. :/

I try to be very conservative with negative feedback and trust exclusions. I think this is part of what got my my "Switzerland" nickname.
Timelord's feedback had been off for years.
In this case, I still hope both of you will see you're doing it wrong. That includes your latest negative feedback: I think that one should also be neutral.

Again: I think this should still be neutral. Ignore each other and move on with your life.

Both of you are still doing the exact opposite of what you should be doing:

Suggestion: ask theymos to undo your own DT1-exclusion and make your Trust list mean something for voting again

Great. Report it. Let the Mods decide. Move on.

That's easy to solve: remove DefaultTrust from your Trust list, and only rely on your personal selection.

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If I'd be into playing games, I could come up with something like: "The first one who makes the negative neutral gets on my Trust inclusions list, and the other gets excluded. But, that by itself would be Trust abuse, so I'm not doing that. Either way, this whole thing is still getting out of hand.

Which one of you is going to be the bigger man?

Good answer. Of course that's not necessary


I will take your word for it. I like it when you have strong self-confidence. There is no reason for me to shake your confidence


LOL  ... ok, ok,... maybe next time I'll spend more time for reading your posts. However, at this time I am not interested in getting involved further... Continue your struggle mate  

If you have a wound at a leg which hurts you, do you cut off your leg, to not feel any leg pain anymore? Or do you take some painkillers?


This will not happen. Not from my side. I can not reconcile with a thief.


...says the one which did not even bother to read the OP, in order to understand the purpose of this discussion.

If that's the case, just give theymos a suggestion to remove the DT system. So there will be no more abuse of the trust system. The problem will be resolved. In the end, you will most likely reconcile with ratimov and remove the negative tags you placed on each other's profiles.

I'm disappointed that as a non-DT member, DT is increasingly losing credibility with their respective bullshit and reputation fights. If you are the custodian of a trust system, then please create a reputation that you have wisdom, I hate drama and bullshit. In the end, neither of you is right, you both are just abusing the trust system by sticking negative tags on each other's profiles. Nonsense

In case you did not notice, Ratimov deleted also all his posts where he insulted Learn Bitcoin, during his futile attempt to derail the thread and distract readers' attention from him, as he usually does. After I exposed him for doing that (once again), he deleted all those posts. Not just for being caught again while trying to distract readers' attention, but also for covering again the evidence incriminating him of insulting people on the forum on for the reason of confronting him. So once again, those which have no idea about ninjastic.space will not see how he calls Learn Bitcoin as "two-faced", "two-faced hypocrite with double standards" and so on. So the insults are deleted, Ratimov is once again a user which talks very politely, all good.

@holydarkness (this is also addressed to all other users interested about this topic), here's a list of other rhetorical questions you can ask (and be sure that Ratimov will never answer to them):

1. Why did he delete all his posts (together with OP's content) from the topic where he was hunting airfinex (after airfinex exposed his plagiarism)? Furthermore, why did he do it only after (1) The Pharmacist threatened him that he will distrust him and others will do the same; (2) DireWolf called him out for his miserable attacks toward anyone daring to state the truth about him; (3) LoyceV dotted the I once again, stating that if someone says a truth about Ratimov, then Ratimov gives him a negative feedback?

2. Why did he try to hide this topic in Archival board for years?

3. Why, after hiding this thread in Archival board for years, last week he managed to convince a mod to delete he thread? (For those unaware, I created a topic in Archival board containing all Ratimov's insults just after the mess he did inside AOBT thread. The date of that topic was September 28th. Is it only a coincidence the fact that Ratimov managed to have his tracks deleted just after I created that topic in Archival board? Lol! Or did he anticipate that I'll create this topic and I'll be thorough enough to find also all his hidden evidence incriminating him, thus he started begging mods to delete that thread from Archival board?)

4. Why do you think that he never justified how, in his opinion, the feedbacks he leaves while he is in rage / dementia state respect the correct use of Trust system? Example of such feedbacks (most are negative - attention! - not neutral and without ref link):


I have nothing to negotiate with a thief. He, instead, had something to negotiate (in a manner which can be easily seen as extortion attempt).


Of course he can move past his theft. Any thief can do it. But I can't go past his theft.


I did it with various occasions (see my earlier post -- the part where I replied to yahoo by quoting LV).


It was no issue, just a personal decision.

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Actually, it's not about reputation. And, if you'd read the OP, you'd understand.


It's not a matter of plagiarism either.


Yes, the goal is preserving DT at a fair and decent level + protecting users from Ratimov's constant abuses.

And this is as far as it should go -- the behavior(s) described shouldn't warrant negative trust.

@Ratimov you were on the right path with deleting your feedback for GazetaBitcoin... It seems like your buttons were pushed and you left new ones, which is unfortunate.

The both of you are firmly entrenched in your DT positions. You should consider sucking it up and deleting each others feedbacks unconditionally; try not to let the incident forever mar your Bitcointalk experience.


Lauda had a bunch of bad ratings as well, was extremely vindictive and used (his/her/their) power to basically bully people into submission... its almost like they got off on it. I haven't witnessed Ratimov do that but perhaps I just haven't been in those threads.

Waiting for someone like Cøbra to say something like this about Ratimov:


Also, a lot of non-scammers breathed a sigh of relief when Lauda finally left.


Hey I resemble that remark

Ah, the post is too long. I'm too lazy to read it. But perhaps from the title and tags I read from the OP and Ratimov, it is most likely that this thread was created to question someone's reputation. But I don't care about that, because neg tags don't affect famous members.

If it's a matter of plagiarism, just report it, let the moderator assess whether the plagiarism is a violation or is excusable. I want to ask, what does the plagiarism ban actually mean here? Is it to avoid copyright claims or because plagiarism is prohibited for any purpose?

Every idea or article has a meaning and purpose behind it, so OP definitely has a goal by creating this thread. in the end this is just drama and nonsense not much different from shitposting.

I know this is not just about the plagiarizing part, but your feedback is about that, which resulted in retaliation, so as I said before, since both of you are on DT, negotiation is the way to go, According to screenshots, he seems to be mature enough to apologize and move past this situation while you are not. You know the only way you can become a great person is by accepting your mistakes and correcting them, it could happen many times until you learn not to make the same mistakes, that's when you move to the next level of maturity which is to become a great person.

Talking about abuse, don't stick to one abuser, call them all out.

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Btw, was there an issue about your email address? I say this because you have changed it recently. Just curious, maybe it was due to security concerns.

As I explained in OP,


This topic is only about his constant abuses of Trust system which, similar to TimeLord's case, should eliminate him from DT, as he uses Trust system only as a weapon.

This is normal when 2 people negotiate about a compromise, each one offers a solution and both agree on a final decision, but if you tagged him for plagiarizing, this should be up to staff whether they interact with such cases or not, maybe they have decided to let this slide, now why would you want to execute the prisoner when the king has forgiven him?  What he is doing is not extortion, this is typical where international politics are at work.😉

Yes, this is exactly what he does all the time. But he calls these extortion attempts as being "generous offers for peace".

Actually, his joke-of-an-attempt-for-peace still exists in the AOBT thread:


You see these? LMAO! So there is the extortion attempt but, besides, there is also his fear of having users' eyes on him, if the situation would escalate to Reputation board (which is precisely what happened). He is scared when others see his abuses, for not losing his powers, so he tries to keep all these abuses at lowest possible profile.


This only shows that he deleted his feedbacks not because they were inappropriate (although this should have been the main and only reason), but only for having me removing the proof from his Trust page that he is a plagiarist, a "copy-pastist", an impersonator of other authors and a Trust abuser. And seeing his attempt to extort me did not work, he posted again some feedbacks full of lies. Guess what? This time with reference links. LOL! So he learned that an abusive feedback is even baseless if it has no ref link, thus time time he wrote same abusive feedbacks, but with ref link -- which, in his oppinion, would make them legitimate. Those ref links he provided as as useful as if he posted there links from Know Your Meme or another site.


Indeed you told me that. Yet I did not follow your advice. I did it being very well aware of the consequences -- meaning being red painted by this Trust abuser. I just could not stand anymore and watch how he abuses people for 5 years and nobody dares to confront him (or those who do it they do it under alternative accounts). I did it from my only account. And I hoped (and still hope) I can serve as example for others which believe that this abuser does not belong to DT.


This is so true. Sad but true. And yet we have this clown, threatening people with his toy-gun and people get scared enough by him enough for allowing him do all his abuses and act like a street thug. I really wish Lauda (and TMAN too!) were here, to see how they would react in front of this imposter.

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You won't find much there, because Ratimov managed in time to arrange various deals (only from his "generosity", of course), in order to have others remove their feedbacks where they stated that he plagiarized, abused Trust, impersonated authors etc. The deal was always the same: he tagged those people with various negative feedbacks (consisting, usually, only in terms like "degenerate", "two faced", "hypocrite" etc.) -- so feedbacks which had nothing to do with any financial deal, yet they were negative ones, creating severe prejudices to those which dared to state the trust about him; then he retracted his abusive tags if those users retracted their statements as well. Similar to the "peace" he offered to me as well. But I don't kiss where I spit. (Romanian saying)

So if you want to see some evidence regarding abusive feedbacks you won't find them in his feedbacks list. You can find it in the links I mentioned in OP. So only in old topics, written by others, which he could not hide or beg mods to delete them, like he did with the topic from which I posted screenshots in OP.

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Apparently, this case was already answered by theymos:


Based on Ratimov's obvious intentions of passing other authors' work as being his, it is now clear that he also broke rule 27.

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I hope you already know the answers to your questions, right?

Sadly, I noticed one post was missing from this thread too, simply because mine used to be #21 when I left this thread, and returned with it being #20. And the negative feedback also returned.

If I may summon it back from the depth of the darkness...




Ratimov, may I ask why the new feedback while on the previous [removed] post you said you tried to do everything you could to resolve this conflict by removing the tag? Was it because the deal is off the table, because Gazeta refuses to remove his tag? Thus, what Gazeta said somewhat contain some degree of truth in it, that what you tried to do was to deal yourself out of a stuation?

I can't be arsed to dig through archives, but Ratimov had a post here in this thread that I was replying to and he removed it. Something about reconciliation. Anyway, it sounded like an extortion attempt, like remove negative things you said about me and I'll remove my red trust. Also he removed and reposted his red trust on GazetaBitcoin, which I think shows that any such "deal offers" don't mean shit.

FWIW I suggested that GazetaBitcoin should remove their red rating on Ratimov and not engage in tit-for-tat. I do believe however that weaponizing the trust system the way Ratimov does is not acceptable but because of the spineless nature of DT1 there is basically no recourse.

"Oh but his other ratings are ok"... well tough shit, Lauda had a bunch of good ratings and was 100x more valuable to the forum than Ratimov ever will be, and got excluded. One can be a valuable forum member outside of DT.

Why are you acting as the judge in a case where you are the accused, I mean can you see the problem here? DT members are "supposedly trusted" members of this forum, not only trusted for trade related deals but also for their judgements, have you ever seen a judge in court to act as the judge of his own case if he was the accused?

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IMO, people like you could be trusted with millions when doing a business deal, but you are not fit for a "judge" position if you see no problem in your last post I quoted.

Let me check your trust feedbacks.😉

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Edit, anyways, I think everybody knows neg, pos, neutral feedback is no longer considered to hold any value for business, since business related trust is now based on flags, trust feedback really means nothing, yet you have to remove any one who misuses DT power.

I agree that the topic is somehow long, but at tried to shorten it as much as possible. But I could not shorten it much more, as I had to present the 3 pillars on which Ratimov managed to get his "position of authority" from which he acts like a bully on the forum and intimidates everybody here: 1) win thousands of merits through plagiarism / copy-paste; 2) earn enough appreciation from 1) thus he enters in DT; 3) build an army as a MS. Ultimately, after he consolidated these 3 pillars he transformed them into a weapon and started acting like a street thug with anyone which dares to confront him. And proving my allegation with evidence needed a long text, indeed...


Indeed, he changed -- he did not plagiarize anymore after he was caught doing this. Then again: if it was no plagiarism, thus he would risk no ban for presenting others' work as being his, why did he stop using the remarkable infamous introduction "In this article I would like to touch upon such a theme [...]"?


Good point! In fact, in the topic which Ratimov hid in the Archival board, hoping nobody finds it there and which he managed to have deleted afterwords (for hiding evidence against him) -- from which I presented some screenshots -- suchmoon made a very good observation there:



So suchmoon also observed the similarity of TL's and Ratimov's actions of bullying and pretending to be a thug in front of others.

TimeLord was eliminated from DT1 and the damage he made was smaller than Ratimov's. TimeLord abused his DT powers but he did not plagiarize. He did not steal anybody's work. Ratimov built his career through this theft. So why is Ratimov kept in DT1, since TL was eliminated for such "flexing of muscles" in front of others?

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Thank you for pointing this out, suchmoon.


yahoo, I respect you, but I believe that you should read whole OP first.

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I asked mprep about this, in order to see if it is allowed or not. If it is allowed, my bad. It would mean that Ratimov did not break rule 27, he only stole others' work without breaking rule 27.

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I highly doubt it's incorrect.


Of course he is trusted, after he built his whole career on lies and theft.


Theft deserves negative feedback.

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I also take this opportunity to reply to yahoo that yes, I also cared in other situations. Let's take, for example, TL's case, where I encouraged all his supporters to distrust him for acting like a bully in front of other users.


For consistency purposes, to say the least, perhaps you could act now like in TL's case? It's same matter here. But worst.

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Why he earned so much merits? Because he managed to lure many people that his writings belong to him while, in fact, they were others' work. Why he is still getting merits? There are many answers here. 1) Some don't know what he did in the past; 2) some sided with him no matter what; 3) Some actually do find his posts useful; 4) More merits attract more merits. The lattest is, somehow a curiosity, similar to more money attract more money. Like the poor which become only more poor and the rich which get richer.


Doing a mistake is in human nature; not correcting a mistake once it was found is bad. Those willing to correct this mistake can do it.

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I kindly ask you and all the others as well to not let yourselves lured once more by this Ratimov. Aren't you seeing how he tries, once, again, to distract you from the main topic and forward the attention to anything else excepting the OP's main subject? I already warned everybody about his slippery way of getting the attention off from him.


Now he joined this thread and started some back and forth with Learn Bitcoin, in order to distract everybody from the main problem here: his constant abuse of Trust system, which he does for years in a row! Since he got there! It is really not relevant where his attacks from AOBT thread started. What happened there is just one more proof that he weaponized Trust system and uses it whenever he pleases.


Actually, let's dwell on that. And we should dwell on that because right now he is doing precisely what he did all these years:
- act like a caveman in front of his pray when he wants to bully someone
- damage the dignity / trustworthiness of that person by insulting him in all possible ways, combined with Trust exclusion and / or negative feedback consisting only in insults and with no reference link (obviously, no ref link can be provided when you call someone "degenerate", right? -- unless he would have a medical statement saying the respective one is, in fact, a degenerate -- I hope my sarcasm is not subtle at all)
- realize that what he did only prejudices his own image, in case DT users (and not just them) see him acting again in such disgusting way
- retract his abusive feedbacks and offer "peace", which also involves that the counterparty should retract all he said about Ratimov, although such allegations were true (!!!)

I already detailed all these in OP and here he is doing the same:

- he left me not 1, but 2 negative feedbacks; he added one more neutral -- "just to be there"; all are buch of shitwords with no reference link and consisting only in insults toward me
- he realizes that some will see his abusive feedbacks so he deletes one of the negative ones and edits the remaining one, in order to contain less insults but he keeps it full of lies
- offers a "generous peace", in order to have me remove my feedback where I state that he is a thief (and I also present evidence for my statements).

I can't believe I am still explaining all these, but what he does is like this:
- beat someone on the street
- apologize
- walk 10 blocks forward
- beat someone else
- apologize again.

The some come up and say: "but the poor man apologized, did he apologize?".

This is a mistake. Beating one or another should not be tolerated. And apologies in such cases are merely nothing. Similar here: he throws negative fedbacks to his left and his right, consisting in nothing but insults then he deletes them once users' attention (especially DT users' attention) is on him. Then someone comes up and says: "but he retracted his feedback, did he?". Or "but he apologized, didn't he?". You see the irony here, holydarkness? Such thing should not be tolerated in DT.


His past is very important here. Because it shows that he always acted like this. So what you see now is not a rare incident, but his usual behavior.

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This will be the only occasion when I am addressing to you here. This topic is addressed by me to other users, so I don't have anything to discuss with you anymore.
My answer to your "peaceful" proposal is the following one: my feedback will stay at your profile until I die or until this forum won't exist anymore. You may shower me in negative feedbacks, you may insult me and my family as much as you can, leave a thousand of negative feedbacks and one more thousand neutral ones, all with no ref link for your insults (obviously, how else?), yet my feedback on your profile will remain there forever. You built a career here on lies, shenanigans, deception, abuses and theft.


Good for you! It were even better if you did this with open heart, not only to cover your tracks and your miserable character.


Nothing personal?

Nothing personal?