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October 08, 2013, 08:59:24 AM
Thats why I say he has a shot at bail.

Judging by their backgrounds and jobs, I'd say that DPR lies less than the guys that busted him. He should have a shot at bail in a just world, which means they'll probably keep him in jail. He's a high-profile example that they don't want to lose track of.
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October 08, 2013, 08:53:53 AM
Let's order hits on all young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered men. Problem solved.

My solution is to give no credence to the words of young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered men. I used to be one and I know how much I lied back then just to get what I wanted.

And it worked didn't it? Thats why I say he has a shot at bail.
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October 08, 2013, 08:51:26 AM
Let's order hits on all young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered men. Problem solved.

My solution is to give no credence to the words of young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered men. I used to be one and I know how much I lied back then just to get what I wanted.
legendary
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October 08, 2013, 08:50:41 AM
I personally don't agree with giving bail to anybody implicated in a murder but it happens more than you think.

So far, he isn't implicated in an actual murder of any sort, but an attempt to contract for two, at least one of which might have involved some degree of entrapment.  The prosecutors will of course argue blah blah blah violent drug criminal, kingpin, facing life without parole so likely to flee, able to obtain false IDs, etc.  Defense, if it is competent, will argue something like strong ties to the community, perhaps offer to put DPR in custody of some family member who ensures appearance, blah blah even actual murderers are entitled to bail, prosecution has failed to show any signs of flight risk other than just the crimes they're accusing him of.  Also that he's not a drug dealer, but just ran a website, this isn't Al Capone here, and these "hitman" contracts are cartoonishly ridiculous.  Defendant doesn't pose a threat, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's denied bail, but I think the most likely event is that he is granted bail, but it is high, and perhaps too high for him to meet.
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October 08, 2013, 08:49:39 AM
And who orders hits instead of dirtying his own hands? Exactly: young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered men.

Funny that. Young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered men are also the ones that lie about other young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered men ordering hits on people.

There's only one logical conclusion. Let's order hits on all young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered men. Problem solved.
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October 08, 2013, 08:48:10 AM
And who orders hits instead of dirtying his own hands? Exactly: young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered men.

Funny that. Young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered men are also the ones that lie about other young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered men ordering hits on people.
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October 08, 2013, 08:46:52 AM
Unlikely yes. But the more I think about this the more I realize DPR has one thing going for him. He does not in any way look like a criminal mastermind. He is a young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered man. Not your typical violent drug trafficker.


LOL, do you know any drug traffickers in real life? Because the "typical violent drug trafficker" is a Hollywood movie cliche and rather the exception to the rule.

You clearly missed the point. That is what the prosecution is going to paint him as. Nobody is going to believe it.

Why do you think the prosecution would be idiotic enough to go for that angle? They're not accusing him of trying to beat those to men to death with his awesome ninja skillz, they're accussing him of ordering hits on these men. And who orders hits instead of dirtying his own hands? Exactly: young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered men.
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October 08, 2013, 08:42:59 AM
Unlikely yes. But the more I think about this the more I realize DPR has one thing going for him. He does not in any way look like a criminal mastermind. He is a young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered man. Not your typical violent drug trafficker.


LOL, do you know any drug traffickers in real life? Because the "typical violent drug trafficker" is a Hollywood movie cliche and rather the exception to the rule.

You clearly missed the point. That is what the prosecution is going to paint him as. Nobody is going to believe it.
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October 08, 2013, 08:41:13 AM
DPR is supposed to appear in court for his bail hearing tomorrow. The prosecution is going to label him a flight risk but I think his defense has a shot at getting him bail. It will probably be a steep bail (1 mil+ maybe?) but if he is able to post it all manner of things involving his bitcoin stash could happen starting tomorrow.

Large scale drug dealer, suspected of involvement in two murders for hire, and demonstrated ability to arrange for false IDs.
Bail seems...unlikely.

Unlikely yes. But the more I think about this the more I realize DPR has one thing going for him. He does not in any way look like a criminal mastermind. He is a young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered man. Not your typical violent drug trafficker. I think a judge and jury are going to have a hard time seeing this guy running a major drug/violence ring. He may get lucky tomorrow and get bail. I personally don't agree with giving bail to anybody implicated in a murder but it happens more than you think.

I think anyone should be allowed to be a free man during the trial. Innocent until proven guilty. Any form of incarceration is a violation of the constitution of most countries and therefore in itself a serious crime.

On the other hand, man having possible access to more hidden btc can flee the country given chance, and they do not want that.
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October 08, 2013, 08:40:59 AM
Unlikely yes. But the more I think about this the more I realize DPR has one thing going for him. He does not in any way look like a criminal mastermind. He is a young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered man. Not your typical violent drug trafficker.


LOL, do you know any drug traffickers in real life? Because the "typical violent drug trafficker" is a Hollywood movie cliche and rather the exception to the rule.
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October 08, 2013, 08:19:57 AM
DPR is supposed to appear in court for his bail hearing tomorrow. The prosecution is going to label him a flight risk but I think his defense has a shot at getting him bail. It will probably be a steep bail (1 mil+ maybe?) but if he is able to post it all manner of things involving his bitcoin stash could happen starting tomorrow.

Large scale drug dealer, suspected of involvement in two murders for hire, and demonstrated ability to arrange for false IDs.
Bail seems...unlikely.

Unlikely yes. But the more I think about this the more I realize DPR has one thing going for him. He does not in any way look like a criminal mastermind. He is a young, good looking, educated, seemingly mild mannered man. Not your typical violent drug trafficker. I think a judge and jury are going to have a hard time seeing this guy running a major drug/violence ring. He may get lucky tomorrow and get bail. I personally don't agree with giving bail to anybody implicated in a murder but it happens more than you think.
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October 08, 2013, 05:23:43 AM

 If this is FBI we are talking about nothing is weird.

 I mean if they want to get him out , contact dealers , find big names , snicth them back to FBI and help them become the next frank lucas than they may bail him and let him go do this.

 Whatever happens , I am not going to use silkroad (neither have I ever used it) for any illegal stuff , it is more dangerous than using a non-tor deal , hell I would rather do it on facebook than silkroad from now on.
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October 08, 2013, 05:19:00 AM
DPR is supposed to appear in court for his bail hearing tomorrow. The prosecution is going to label him a flight risk but I think his defense has a shot at getting him bail. It will probably be a steep bail (1 mil+ maybe?) but if he is able to post it all manner of things involving his bitcoin stash could happen starting tomorrow.

Large scale drug dealer, suspected of involvement in two murders for hire, and demonstrated ability to arrange for false IDs.
Bail seems...unlikely.
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October 08, 2013, 05:03:00 AM
Not neccessarily, once his bargaining chip is lost there is no incentive for the government to help in his sentencing.

This.  He strikes me as the kind of "genius" who thinks he can defend himself, being so much smarter than everyone else and all, but I'd hope (for his own sake) that he isn't stupid enough to give them jack without something, in writing, for himself.  Cops can't give you shit, whatever they say verbally.  It needs to be the prosecutor, it needs to be in writing, and it needs a real criminal lawyer to look at it to make sure it isn't packed with "gotchas."  (Better call Saul!)
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October 08, 2013, 03:33:23 AM
DPR is supposed to appear in court for his bail hearing tomorrow. The prosecution is going to label him a flight risk but I think his defense has a shot at getting him bail. It will probably be a steep bail (1 mil+ maybe?) but if he is able to post it all manner of things involving his bitcoin stash could happen starting tomorrow.
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October 08, 2013, 03:17:41 AM
People keep discussing security of DPR's wallets as something he should try to ensure. The reality is opposite: he desperately needs to provably spend these coins before being locked up with a bunch of curious inmates who might decide to pick his brain in search of a brain wallet. The easiest and most productive way for him would be to forfeit the keys to the government, as this might not only keep him safer in the prison, but it might reduce his sentence. Another, more spectacular way would be to arrange for the coins to be sent to a black hole, such as 1111111111111111111114oLvT2.
 

Not neccessarily, once his bargaining chip is lost there is no incentive for the government to help in his sentencing. I guess it comes back to the issue of trust, would you trust the FBI to keep up their part of the bargain in exchange, also depending on the length of the sentence if and when he comes out of prison he will have difficulty finding a job. The bitcoin income he still has non-declared could be used to finance his lifestyle for a while after leaving prison and help in his reintegration into society.
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October 08, 2013, 03:14:35 AM
People keep discussing security of DPR's wallets as something he should try to ensure. The reality is opposite: he desperately needs to provably spend these coins before being locked up with a bunch of curious inmates who might decide to pick his brain in search of a brain wallet. The easiest and most productive way for him would be to forfeit the keys to the government, as this might not only keep him safer in the prison, but it might reduce his sentence. Another, more spectacular way would be to arrange for the coins to be sent to a black hole, such as 1111111111111111111114oLvT2.
 
legendary
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October 08, 2013, 01:36:11 AM
Well if the cops asked about fake ID's and they were the operator of Silk Road I think two and two come up a lot faster

They red flagged him long before the fake ID's..

I want them to prove they have control over the bitcoins now too  Wink
But really long before the fake ID's well then can honestly say the operator should have built his backups at that time if the media articles are correct and they really did seize his assets.
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October 08, 2013, 01:29:22 AM
Well if the cops asked about fake ID's and they were the operator of Silk Road I think two and two come up a lot faster

They red flagged him long before the fake ID's..
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October 08, 2013, 01:11:18 AM
Well if the cops asked about fake ID's and they were the operator of Silk Road I think two and two come up a lot faster
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