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lol @ ppl discussing here now that drugs is infact, liberal and thus a good thing

bitcoiners.. always in for a joke

I suppose it depends on the precise definition of government you use. Medieval Iceland had courts, laws and judges. It did not have police, so people were expected to get a ruling and then settle their own feuds.

But you're right, when I said sophisticated and peaceful I was thinking more-so than medieval societies.

All the modern examples of government-less areas of the world I can think of are countries where the state collapsed after a revolution or war, usually either quickly replaced by a (often worse) government, or constantly warring factions.

The closest peaceful example might be Belgium, which couldn't decide on a leading political party for a long time and was run by a "caretaker government" that didn't make any major decisions. But absence of decision making is not really the same thing as absence of the rule of law, which is what DPR wanted.


You must be using the word empirical in a different way to how I'd normally understand it. Economists that tried to find empirical evidence for deflationary spiral theory have failed - historical data does not support the theory.

In fact, let me quote my favourite paper on the subject:

http://www.minneapolisfed.org/research/sr/sr331.pdf


That's an empirical study, it even says so in the abstract. That's the kind of economics I find convincing - study the data. It's difficult to do the same for anarcho-capitalist ideas because there aren't any good examples of it working successfully in modern times.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the theoretical appeal of a society without a ruling government. But in practice one seems to be necessary to keep the peace, which is why so much political philosophy over the past 2000 years has focused on how to limit the power of the state rather than eliminate it entirely.

Once he started doing interviews with Forbes and other media.. I knew it was only a matter of time before he got caught.
Not that the interviews had anything to do with him getting caught, just that it indicated he was the sort of person that was not smart enough to stay hidden.

It seem like the guy was more interested in $$$ than any sort of phony ideal.
Also libertarians are not anarchists or any of its variations.
Libertarians have a legitimate political party that promotes small government in a time when we could use one.

Selling people drugs for profit is analogous to freely saving people from Nazi death camps at considerable risk to your own life?
If he did this, it seems very naive to think it was to save all those poor druggies from exposure, rather than to save his own profitable site.

They are terrifyingly similar 

Surreal

Medieval Iceland and Ireland didn't have an actual government, law was decentralized. I wouldn't call any medieval society "sophisticated and peaceful", but they compared well to other European places of the time.
There's also lex mercatoria which was a set of voluntary merchant laws that transcended states of the time.

There have been practical examples of decentralization of mostly everything a state monopolizes today, if not all.


Empiricism may be used to demonstrate to skeptics an already proven praxeological theory, but it's not through empiricism that economic science should be done. The deflationary spiral theory is supported by empiricist economists, by the way - no wonder is so wrong. For empiricist scientific methods to work, you must be able to isolate all variables and reproduce experiments at will. That's obviously impossible when studying the human action. You can't even enumerate all possible variables, let alone isolate them. Economics can only be developed through the "apriori" method, the same method of mathematics: you start with basic axioms, and then you deduct logical conclusions.

Ludwig von Mises wrote a lot on the importance of the praxeological method to the economic science. Perhaps you should search his texts.

And by the way, libertarianism isn't only economics. Actually, I'd say it's more an "ethical philosophy" than anything.

All I have to say is that shit just got real.

 lets hope the moderaters dont delete this, lol, good ending though, guy kissed an imaginary box while making meth lol.

And they both had 80 million $ at some point...

He never said that. He said some of the top thinkers are part of the philosophical discipline (ancapism/libertarianism). Stop twisting words.

I might come under fire here - and I realize at this point in time we have no way of determining if the murder request was real or forged by authorities - but, assuming it is indeed real, I understand what DPR did and why he did it.

I share the opinion that the government has no right to prohibit consenting adults from engaging in a peaceful transaction - the drug trades that SR enabled. It is undeniably true that, should a buyer or seller be caught by Law Enforcement (LE), they would be subject to strict punishment - locked up in a cage, often in extremely unsafe prisons, have their life ruined, and in some jurisdictions even be subject to murder capital punishment.

DPR knew this, and the blackmailer knew this. The blackmailer knew that, if he followed through, he would be subjecting thousands of peaceful individuals who did nothing wrong to prosecution and persecution by LE. The blackmailer knew very well that thousands of peaceful members of SR would be locked up and have their lives ruined.

Consider an analogy: if someone went up to Oskar Schindler and said "I know you are helping Jews escape; if you don't pay me $150k I will tell the Nazis about it", don't you think Schindler had the right to prevent that person from making that known - even if the only way to do so was murder?

I am sure sooner or later they can compromise it like tor...or not?

maybe some people change their behavior and move to http://www.i2p2.de/

The original Walter White just got caught you guys

Some of the top thinkers in the world today are drug dealers?
I'm sure you've got a cite for that 

I would like to see examples of countries (areas?) which had no formal government and which hosted a sophisticated, peaceful civilisation for some length of time. I think I've read quite a lot of history and I'm struggling to recall any such place.


No, it doesn't. The opposite of no government is "some government", not "single world government".

I'm all for limited, local government. That's why the idea I'm authoritarian is so amusing. Go read some of my political posts here or elsewhere. I frequently rail against the USA's attempt to impose its law internationally. Jurisdictional competition is important and useful.


It's not just between first world nations. We live in a time of unprecedented peace. Relative to past history there are hardly any wars going on right now.

The reason is: more democracies and better economics. Modern countries are deeply integrated due to lots and lots of trade. Most people don't vote for wars that will immediately make them dramatically poorer.


I've actually read some Rothbard. I found his prose to be deeply unconvincing. I respect economists who develop theories and then test them against real world data. Theories that exist in the world of abstract philosophy is how you end up with the deflationary spiral idea - stuff that simply doesn't match observed reality.

Rothbard had a lot of very strange ideas about the nature of cartels and monopolies. DPR was fond of citing him as some kind of authority. But when you read his writings, where are the examples, where are the studies that show his theory matches observed reality better than other theories do? He didn't bother. He asserted some ideas as facts and then engaged in ever more tenuous logical extrapolations. My mind was open and what I found simply didn't win me over.

That was for a listing of various links in the darknet where you can buy hits.