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legendary
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October 02, 2013, 04:35:00 PM
Heh. So if I say DPR was an anarcho capitalist and also not a nice guy (two things that are very likely to be true), that's an insult, but calling me an authoritarian is not an insult? I think that's rather hypocritical. There are points on the political spectrum between anarchy and authoritarianism you know Wink

Briefly: Ulbricht subscribed to a philosophy that boiled down to "the state is inherently bad and must be overthrown". He explicitly said that was his belief several times in public. Why do you think people tolerate or support the state, as a political institution? It's because we know what the world looks like when the state becomes weak or disappears. It looks like Mexico or Somalia. Not some peaceful, non-violent utopia but a place dominated by men like Ulbricht - people who are quite willing to assassinate anyone who gets in the way of their business empire.

newbie
Activity: 55
Merit: 0
October 02, 2013, 04:34:21 PM
The Silk Road forums seems to be not working...
member
Activity: 103
Merit: 10
It From Bit
October 02, 2013, 04:33:29 PM
How did they have such quick access to his BTC wallet?  You would think it would be password encrypted, or something..

I'd say that your "libertarian idol" just crapped his pants, and gave away ALL his passwords immediately.

Some of you justifying the hitman thing on DPR "protecting people lives" by "protecting their secrets" is laughable at best. Everything indicates that he gave access to everything as soon as he got caught, and the hitman thing was just a "Walter White" thing to protect HIS BUSINESS AND HIS MONEY, that's it.

Plus, you just do not execute somebody, adding that he lives with "wife + 3 kids", if you are not a psycho fuck.

Some people who claim to be Libertarians, apparently including DPR, do not understand it well at all.  If anyone thinks murder is justified by Libertarianism they need educate themselves on the subject instead of bringing the label into disrepute!
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
October 02, 2013, 04:29:20 PM
Guys don't believe the assassination story so quickly. According to the official documents nobody seems to have actually been killed or even exist by the alleged names recovered from Silk Road servers, which have been in FBI custody...

That kind of personality seems totally out of character for DPR. I don't know him but his postings show clear thoughtfulness, like his response to the closing of Atlantis, or his posted rules for SR instead of letting it be an "I don't care what you do, just pay me bitcoins" environment. Hardly seems the type to be ruthless about murder. On the other hand the Feds would look good framed that way, like the heroes who shut down this site with illegal (according to US law) drugs from this clearly evil person.

Before you convict DPR keep in mind the assassination target seems not to exist.

If you read we all agree on the fact DPR was scammed, it's pretty much clear on the affidavit. The thing is that it looks like he was willing to commit that murder.

Was he? Why do you think we're all smarter than him? He may have well know that he was being scammed and used the hit thing as a bargaining chip to pay only $150K instead of $500K. It's a very considerable difference, after all. Many of you would kill just to get your hands on those $350K he saved Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 501
There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.
October 02, 2013, 04:28:14 PM
Can someone explain how they managed to identify his server running a Tor service? From there on it seems straight forward, they got access to the server through a request with the LE in the host country.
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
October 02, 2013, 04:27:39 PM
I was expecting a more underground type of guy regarding DPR - who knows how Satoshi (if one) looks like Tongue
full member
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Merit: 100
October 02, 2013, 04:27:14 PM


Trusting relationships and lots of money usually don't get along very well Wink
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So that's where I've been going so wrong in life  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1018
October 02, 2013, 04:25:55 PM
Guys don't believe the assassination story so quickly. According to the official documents nobody seems to have actually been killed or even exist by the alleged names recovered from Silk Road servers, which have been in FBI custody...

That kind of personality seems totally out of character for DPR. I don't know him but his postings show clear thoughtfulness, like his response to the closing of Atlantis, or his posted rules for SR instead of letting it be an "I don't care what you do, just pay me bitcoins" environment. Hardly seems the type to be ruthless about murder. On the other hand the Feds would look good framed that way, like the heroes who shut down this site with illegal (according to US law) drugs from this clearly evil person.

Before you convict DPR keep in mind the assassination target seems not to exist.

If you read we all agree on the fact DPR was scammed, it's pretty much clear on the affidavit. The thing is that it looks like he was willing to commit that murder.
member
Activity: 103
Merit: 10
It From Bit
October 02, 2013, 04:25:12 PM
The fact that some idiot thinks I'm "authoritarian" for merely being unsurprised at Ulbricht's true nature

That was not exactly what you said. Let's recapitulate it, shall we?

By the way - I'm amazed at how many people are surprised that a drug dealer with extreme anarcho-capitalist tendencies turned out to be not a swell guy! Imagine that!

You simply concluded that somebody with "extreme anarcho-capitalists tendencies" (what's "extreme ancap" by the way? You're either ancap or you're not, it's pretty binary, no "intensity levels" are possible) is automatically not a "swell guy"... in the particular case, a potential murderer.

Well, I am an anarcho-capistalist myself, as many people around here. You just compared us with a potential murderer. Calling you an "authoritarian asshole" was quite polite on my part, if you want to know.

+1 

It's like saying "Oh, Jeffrey Dahmer was a Democrat, I'm not surprised he turned out to be a cannibal, after all he was one of those socialistic Democrat types."

And Mike Hearn is well aware that many people here are Ancaps.  Now he's surprised people don't like his smear?  Rude AND stupid.
newbie
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October 02, 2013, 04:24:54 PM
DPR has go the wits to kill a guy to protect his hard earned bussiness, and others. We will be fucked without him, and then yet, other can learn from his mistakes and build a safer BM site.
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1018
October 02, 2013, 04:24:15 PM


Anyhow, I'm glad this was very probably just DPR being scammed. Come on, the "redandwhite" guy contacted him ON BEHALF of FriendlyChemistry, WTF?

I don't know if you remember the "BASICAsic" scam we had here on the forums, but the "I represent the people to whom the scammer owes money" was used repeatedly too, it seems to me like a very old and stupid trick...

We finally agree on something Smiley

I'm curious: would you hire an assassin (or DIY) to avenge someone killing someone you love?

I would definitely not hire an assassin in any case, I'm simply not that cold blooded. As 99% of human beings, I would use lethal force against someone immediately threatening to kill me or my family.

Revenge? I don't really know, I guess I *could* go berserk and do something very bad to someone that murdered one my kids or my wife, but even that I'm not so sure. It depends on many things, and in any case if it happened it would be an irrational and blind reaction motivated by hopeless anger, not a cold-blooded murder.
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
October 02, 2013, 04:22:02 PM
If I was going to blackmail someone like that I'd set up some fail safes to make sure the info I was holding was not lost if I was.

Think about it, wouldn't he say "give me $500k or a web server hidden somewhere in the world will release the info I have."

None of that "murder plot" stuff makes sense, at all. More holes than a whorehouse...




It sounds more like a lure.  Think of it this way.   I am hacker A and I have information on Vendor B.  Give me money or I will release info on Vendor B, C, D, E.   Yet Vendor B, C, D, E are associated with hacker A.


DPR then falls for the trap.  he replies back and sends a traceable transaction.  Bamm...feds got him for 2 more things now.  I mean, having people pose as hitmen is one of the oldest lures in history.
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250
October 02, 2013, 04:21:39 PM
My tiny little eye spots many people believing the feds without hesitation, did you know the guy? Are you actually stupid enough to believe what the feds tell you?

They are strongly motivated to discredit DRP, I would not be surprised if it involved the alleged hit and even an elaborate campaign.

I mean would you believe Pablo Escobars cartel if they made the same accusations? How are the feds different? They are behind the same government that murders people and then lies about it.
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1002
October 02, 2013, 04:20:48 PM
Guys don't believe the assassination story so quickly. According to the official documents nobody seems to have actually been killed or even exist by the alleged names recovered from Silk Road servers, which have been in FBI custody...

That kind of personality seems totally out of character for DPR. I don't know him but his postings show clear thoughtfulness, like his response to the closing of Atlantis, or his posted rules for SR instead of letting it be an "I don't care what you do, just pay me bitcoins" environment. Hardly seems the type to be ruthless about murder. On the other hand the Feds would look good framed that way, like the heroes who shut down this site with illegal (according to US law) drugs from this clearly evil person.

Before you convict DPR keep in mind the assassination target seems not to exist.
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1018
October 02, 2013, 04:20:28 PM
Oh, great. So if an article on mises.org says that blackmailing IS aggression because its against your property, then murdering is OK. If on the contrary it says that blackmailing is not an aggression by itself, then murdering is not OK.

Mind-blowing indeed. Some of you love a tad too much your books, there is people that adores their constitution (or their favorite Rothbard book) just like Muslims blindly adore their Coran or Christians their Bible.

Logic != faith.
One concludes blackmailing is not an aggression after following a long series of logical deductions - that will not be found entirely on the link I posted, it's much longer than only that - not by blindly trusting the tales of ancient book that supposedly contains the words of a super-powerful divinity.

I don't need to conclude anything, I know by heart I would never kill anybody unless my own life (or the life of my kids or wife) was in immediate danger.

DPR's life was not in danger - his business was. That's despicable.
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
October 02, 2013, 04:20:11 PM
He should have just hired a hacker to destroy or retrieve the data back. Probably would have been cheaper than 150k too. Huh

How do you make sure "the hacker" destroyed/retrieved all copies? Roll Eyes
How do you make sure "the hacker", later, will not blackmail you with the same data you paid him to destroy/retrieve?

True.

But also consider that the guy was using Tor, coupled with the nature of his business, it would stand to reason that during this time he may have come in to contact with people with these capabilities and formed trusting relationships?

Trusting relationships and lots of money usually don't get along very well Wink
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
October 02, 2013, 04:19:27 PM
If I was going to blackmail someone like that I'd set up some fail safes to make sure the info I was holding was not lost if I was.

Think about it, wouldn't he say "give me $500k or a web server hidden somewhere in the world will release the info I have."

None of that "murder plot" stuff makes sense, at all. More holes than a whorehouse...

hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
October 02, 2013, 04:18:47 PM
Guys, do you really believe the hitman story??? Seriously???  
Don't you think the blackmailer and the hitman were, in fact, the same person simply scamming him?

Anyway, whether it really happened or not, the fact is that he probably had the intention to do it, which is enough to say he is a scumbag..


It really says this is what the world truly is.  This is our environment.  We must adapt or be exploited by people like this or just keep our heads in the sand.  People will do crazy things when it comes to protecting themselves and their money.  All in the quest for keeping power.
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1018
October 02, 2013, 04:16:56 PM
How did they have such quick access to his BTC wallet?  You would think it would be password encrypted, or something..

I'd say that your "libertarian idol" just crapped his pants, and gave away ALL his passwords immediately.

Some of you justifying the hitman thing on DPR "protecting people lives" by "protecting their secrets" is laughable at best. Everything indicates that he gave access to everything as soon as he got caught, and the hitman thing was just a "Walter White" thing to protect HIS BUSINESS AND HIS MONEY, that's it.

Plus, you just do not execute somebody, adding that he lives with "wife + 3 kids", if you are not a psycho fuck.

He added that to help the assassin and lower the chances of the wife and kids dying without this being the intention. It is valuable intel when handing out such an assignment ...

You are REALLY scaring me. We have different ethics indeed.

Anyhow, I'm glad this was very probably just DPR being scammed. Come on, the "redandwhite" guy contacted him ON BEHALF of FriendlyChemistry, WTF?

I don't know if you remember the "BASICAsic" scam we had here on the forums, but the "I represent the people to whom the scammer owes money" was used repeatedly too, it seems to me like a very old and stupid trick...
legendary
Activity: 910
Merit: 1000
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October 02, 2013, 04:16:28 PM
arabianights, you are whining about losers and scum - useless addicts and perverts. WTF man!?
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