Terms and condition a must read before signing up any online gambling site - page 13.

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Quote from: bL4nkcode on June 27, 2021, 04:07:34 PM

Quote from: fiulpro on June 27, 2021, 09:08:56 AM

You are right.
I personally think it should be illegal to write such a long text ! They know no one has time to sit down and read pages. It can very well be made short! They use this trick to get people just sign up without any idea what they are getting into.

Well, maybe it works like that but all terms and conditions really has long text, didn't see any in short phrases especially to those websites that collect data and regulated with the authorities.

Also, tos can be changed without you noticing it, while it's okay when you register, but after that they simply ask or require something because they just following their terms that was just changed a while ago, I have experienced such scenario many times and I end up following what they requires or just forget the account.

this is true, they may change the content of their ToS without you noticing it. so if you are heavily invested or a high roller on a specific casino, you should always check their ToS every once in a while or at least those sections that you feel you need to abide by.
and with those wall of texts, some people are really not that keen on reading the content of ToS. but as i said, if you have significant amount to play with, reading and understanding their terms will be your saviour, if in case something goes wrong with your account.

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Quote from: fiulpro on June 27, 2021, 09:08:56 AM

You are right.
I personally think it should be illegal to write such a long text ! They know no one has time to sit down and read pages. It can very well be made short! They use this trick to get people just sign up without any idea what they are getting into.

Well, maybe it works like that but all terms and conditions really has long text, didn't see any in short phrases especially to those websites that collect data and regulated with the authorities.

Also, tos can be changed without you noticing it, while it's okay when you register, but after that they simply ask or require something because they just following their terms that was just changed a while ago, I have experienced such scenario many times and I end up following what they requires or just forget the account.

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Quote from: Zilon on June 27, 2021, 06:00:18 AM

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

I think the only people who can seriously convert gambling into an occupation are either skilled sports bettors (who are always up against opponents with much larger statistical analysis tools) and a very small pool of professional poker players (both multi-tablers and the high stakes players who can beat the house rake profitably). On your main point - many people will also be caught out by the terms & conditions that are attached to welcome offers, which can sometimes look extremely attractive, e.g. $250 free, but might have very unrealistic timeframes or require many thousands to be wagered so will only be unlocked by a tiny percentage of players but make the casino look generous when advertising. Definitely make sure you thoroughly read these sign up offers - some require placing the right bet the first time or will void everything.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on June 27, 2021, 08:32:57 AM

I see every time there are complaints of scam gambling sites, it's always the ones that have problems (beginners) and I think most of them are cheated on various gambling sites, not a member who has been in this forum for a long time, just outside the forum, somehow knows this forum, after they were tricked into coming and complaining here.

That is exactly how 1xbit is operating right now. They are very well aware that they are exposed and almost everyone knows about their scam operation but because a lot of new users google crypto gambling so they pay some of the blogs and review sites to list them at the top or among the top few to make sure they get new players and continuously find customers to scam.

I feel like if people can just search on the forum about the gambling site they are about to play and deposit at, most of them will avoid getting scammed because the forum is such a good indicator of these sites' reputation that if someone understands the forum even a little bit, they can easily know the full history of the website and even their past record.

Reading the terms is important but if you end up playing at a scam casino that has legit terms, then it doesn't matter and you will be scammed most likely but if you visit a legit website with slightly poor terms and conditions, then you might be safe still.

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Well most rages and disagreements just stem from being the user playing on a scam site itself, or them not reading the TOS. Most of the scenarios constitute of the two, one being the user at fault, the other being the casino at fault (tho tbh, it's rather obvious at times what a scam casino is so in that case, it's the user at fault). The chances of users complaining due to a site being unfair due to a situation or whatnot is actually quite rare, and finding fault between the two can be rather hard depending on the situation.

Quote from: fiulpro on June 27, 2021, 09:08:56 AM

You are right.
I personally think it should be illegal to write such a long text ! They know no one has time to sit down and read pages. It can very well be made short! They use this trick to get people just sign up without any idea what they are getting into.
Or
They can also put few points differently for example:- USE OF VPN IS NOT ENTERTAINED, this way people can for sure see what they are getting into and see if it suits them. They should additionally tell the people about the fee, withdrawal fee and terms and conditions in a short and precise manner.
Plus why can't everyone do this ? Every site in this world ?

Facts tbh. The damn wall of text isn't just long, it also sometimes uses complicated English that one wouldn't normally use unless one actually read a lot of official/scientific documents and whatnot. It's not even the lingo, it's just the usage of the words itself. Add on to that how other players aren't really native English speakers, well, that just makes it hard for both sides.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on June 27, 2021, 09:01:32 AM

The problem is that often these texts can be very long, so it's hard to actually put yourself to reading all of it. But not reading at all is definitely too risky. I think that if a person is not willing to read all of it, the following things should be searched for and read: KYC policy, restricted countries, minimum/maximum deposit/withdrawal, rules (like no multi-accounting, perhaps no VPN and stuff like that). Also, if one's interested in bonuses, the wager requirements and other related conditions should be read.
You're right that this topic deserves attention. It seems to me that people often have negative experience because of being unfamiliar with the terms.

You are right.
I personally think it should be illegal to write such a long text ! They know no one has time to sit down and read pages. It can very well be made short! They use this trick to get people just sign up without any idea what they are getting into.
Or
They can also put few points differently for example:- USE OF VPN IS NOT ENTERTAINED, this way people can for sure see what they are getting into and see if it suits them. They should additionally tell the people about the fee, withdrawal fee and terms and conditions in a short and precise manner.
Plus why can't everyone do this ? Every site in this world ?

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The problem is that often these texts can be very long, so it's hard to actually put yourself to reading all of it. But not reading at all is definitely too risky. I think that if a person is not willing to read all of it, the following things should be searched for and read: KYC policy, restricted countries, minimum/maximum deposit/withdrawal, rules (like no multi-accounting, perhaps no VPN and stuff like that). Also, if one's interested in bonuses, the wager requirements and other related conditions should be read.
You're right that this topic deserves attention. It seems to me that people often have negative experience because of being unfamiliar with the terms.

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Before a gambler plays gambling, he must read reviews to select the gambling site. He can found many recommended gambling sites here, whether KYC or non-KYC, to select which he wants to use. But if he found the site from outside of this forum, he really needs to be careful because sometimes the review is paid and that people who made the review ask to give a fake review.

But it is not recommended to use gambling as a job because the risk will be bigger than the income and lose all of their money. They can play gambling anytime they want but never use gambling as an occupation because that will be too risky. Having control will be necessary for gambling as we need to take care of the money and not lose too much money. If you can not afford the loss, you do not have to play gambling at all.

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I don't know why you still have make this post in the gambling section. I bet everyone is already aware of all that. I just want to add that some of the terms and conditions changes over time and it can happen long after you signed up. There are also cases when casinos made sudden changes after they were accused of something.

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I hope your advice can be a good piece of advice, especially for gambling bettors on this forum, choosing a responsible and fair gambling site.

However, I see every time there are complaints of scam gambling sites, it's always the ones that have problems (beginners) and I think most of them are cheated on various gambling sites, not a member who has been in this forum for a long time, just outside the forum, somehow knows this forum, after they were tricked into coming and complaining here.

I can't understand that there are always victims every day by scam gambling sites, hopefully in the future all those involved in gambling should really review and investigate whether certain sites are good or not, worth playing or not.

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A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

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