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Quote from: michellee on July 17, 2021, 06:49:59 AM

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 16, 2021, 10:03:44 PM

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

That is what most of us are doing actually, we play at sites we know are here for a long time and even if there might be a problem, we expect the casino to solve it peacefully. I agree that reading all the minute details is really hard because neither we have the patience nor the exact understanding of the terms & conditions. Although I would suggest reading the terms around the KYC procedure at least, to avoid problems later on if you win something significant.

And maybe when you have free time and are playing games, you can slowly read the terms and conditions like reading few points and then back to gambling, this way you can read it without getting bored.

I am sure that will help us stay away from making a mistake or break their rule because we do not want to see our account will get ban by them. Maybe we can skip reading all of the terms and conditions but we only need to search the KYC, the minimal deposit and withdrawal and how much the fee is. If we do not understand something that is written on the term and conditions, we can ask to support system and I am sure they will guide us and give the right answer.

If the gambling site has an ANN thread here, we can directly ask them and that is why I prefer to use the gambling sites from here to playing gambling because we can easily contact them if we got trouble.

This is very right. It is better to play on casinos that have active thread here in the forum.
Because in case you got problem, it is easy to reach out to them.
Of course, they don't want their players to be waiting in vain just to resolve simple issues.
Because if that happens, it will be a trouble for them as the player may create noise about the unresolved issue.
The major points in ToS that everyone should look at are what michellee suggested, kyc requirements, min depo/withdrawal, fees.
If I may add, the use of VPN as some casinos are not allowing the use of it. So you may want to confirm it from them if you are using VPN.
Some are accepting deposits even if you used VPN but when it comes to withdrawal, they may froze your account because of VPN issue.
So it is better to clarify it from them so you won't be surprised once you need to get out of your funds.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on July 17, 2021, 02:55:29 AM

Quote from: Rruchi man on July 16, 2021, 10:03:44 PM

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

That is what most of us are doing actually, we play at sites we know are here for a long time and even if there might be a problem, we expect the casino to solve it peacefully. I agree that reading all the minute details is really hard because neither we have the patience nor the exact understanding of the terms & conditions. Although I would suggest reading the terms around the KYC procedure at least, to avoid problems later on if you win something significant.

And maybe when you have free time and are playing games, you can slowly read the terms and conditions like reading few points and then back to gambling, this way you can read it without getting bored.

I am sure that will help us stay away from making a mistake or break their rule because we do not want to see our account will get ban by them. Maybe we can skip reading all of the terms and conditions but we only need to search the KYC, the minimal deposit and withdrawal and how much the fee is. If we do not understand something that is written on the term and conditions, we can ask to support system and I am sure they will guide us and give the right answer.

If the gambling site has an ANN thread here, we can directly ask them and that is why I prefer to use the gambling sites from here to playing gambling because we can easily contact them if we got trouble.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 16, 2021, 10:03:44 PM

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

That is what most of us are doing actually, we play at sites we know are here for a long time and even if there might be a problem, we expect the casino to solve it peacefully. I agree that reading all the minute details is really hard because neither we have the patience nor the exact understanding of the terms & conditions. Although I would suggest reading the terms around the KYC procedure at least, to avoid problems later on if you win something significant.

And maybe when you have free time and are playing games, you can slowly read the terms and conditions like reading few points and then back to gambling, this way you can read it without getting bored.

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I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

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Quote from: harizen on July 11, 2021, 02:32:53 AM

I doubt the majority of here will spend 1-2 hours reading the Terms and Conditions. If you are doing that for every site, I'm amazed at you. And besides, it's not that easy to memorize all the terms even spending 1-2 hours or more. You will still miss something.

With that, I will say it's "NOT NECESSARY" to read the whole Terms.

Mainly, just go ahead to terms about anything related to Know-Your-Customer, Prohibited Countries, using VPN, multiple accounts, bonus terms, Deposit, and Withdrawal terms, or something that you are concerned about.

There is one more interesting point: in any ToS of any casino you can find terms that will be unacceptable for you. And what to do in this case? We cannot offer our conditions for a casino or find casino where everything suits us, so we have to compromise and hope that these unpleasant points will not be important.

this is a big thing
if the terms are really against your beliefs than you should probably avoid using the website

since we can't change it unless we open our own online casinos

same applies to other website like social media, or even email service.

not reading the important sections in ToS may lead to loss or freezing of your funds. if you unconsciously violate some of their terms because you havent checked their terms. it is not the fault of the casino but the player himself. this is why some complaints are not valid because it is the player's mistake and not the casino. so if you have significant amount of funds to play with, better read at least those important sections for you as pointed out by harizen. otherwise, dont cry and accuse the site because of your negligence.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 11, 2021, 06:34:43 AM

Quote from: harizen on July 11, 2021, 02:32:53 AM

I doubt the majority of here will spend 1-2 hours reading the Terms and Conditions. If you are doing that for every site, I'm amazed at you. And besides, it's not that easy to memorize all the terms even spending 1-2 hours or more. You will still miss something.

With that, I will say it's "NOT NECESSARY" to read the whole Terms.

Mainly, just go ahead to terms about anything related to Know-Your-Customer, Prohibited Countries, using VPN, multiple accounts, bonus terms, Deposit, and Withdrawal terms, or something that you are concerned about.

There is one more interesting point: in any ToS of any casino you can find terms that will be unacceptable for you. And what to do in this case? We cannot offer our conditions for a casino or find casino where everything suits us, so we have to compromise and hope that these unpleasant points will not be important.

this is a big thing
if the terms are really against your beliefs than you should probably avoid using the website

since we can't change it unless we open our own online casinos

same applies to other website like social media, or even email service.

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Quote from: South Park on July 14, 2021, 05:32:37 PM

Quote from: DoublerHunter on July 10, 2021, 04:40:41 PM

Quote from: South Park on July 10, 2021, 04:32:46 PM

I will admit that I am also guilty of this, it is not fun at all to read the terms of conditions of a new site especially if you do not know if you are going to be there for long, but it has to be done, after all supposing we are lucky enough to get a huge win out of our gambling activities now you are going to be subjected to those terms of service and if you violated a single one of the terms then it is unlikely your wins are ever going to be paid.

^ But that is not a good practice at all, we should spend time at least 1-2 hours reading the TOS before using it. Especially in gambling that is very needed, to avoid possible gambling games that have various rules and conditions before using them and avoid possible mistakes in the future. Reading TOS is very important than FAQ, we should learn to practice ourselves reading anything before using the site. Because sometimes the result of freezing time are those people who did not know it that could their account become an uncessable.

Which is why I take my time to do it now and I read the TOS of every single website in which I deposit money, but I admit that at the beginning when I was just a newbie I did not do it, fortunately for me this never brought me trouble but since I have read some of the stories in the forum about people that did in fact got in trouble for not reading the TOS then it is better to take the precaution and do it, even if most TOS when it comes to casinos are similar there are still some differences especially when it comes to bonuses and things like that.

Not necessarily to read up the whole context because that would really be time consuming for all of us to read it all but instead only focus on vpn restriotion, prohibited countries,
multiple accounts, or something similar to that or really just finding about your concern or in doubts or the thing you do have in mind.Im not saying its nonsense to read up
but most of the time they are just almost similar TOS with few changes or alterations so its not really that suggested to do so in overall reading.
Yeah its important but only read the detailed guidelines.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on July 10, 2021, 04:40:41 PM

Quote from: South Park on July 10, 2021, 04:32:46 PM

I will admit that I am also guilty of this, it is not fun at all to read the terms of conditions of a new site especially if you do not know if you are going to be there for long, but it has to be done, after all supposing we are lucky enough to get a huge win out of our gambling activities now you are going to be subjected to those terms of service and if you violated a single one of the terms then it is unlikely your wins are ever going to be paid.

^ But that is not a good practice at all, we should spend time at least 1-2 hours reading the TOS before using it. Especially in gambling that is very needed, to avoid possible gambling games that have various rules and conditions before using them and avoid possible mistakes in the future. Reading TOS is very important than FAQ, we should learn to practice ourselves reading anything before using the site. Because sometimes the result of freezing time are those people who did not know it that could their account become an uncessable.

Which is why I take my time to do it now and I read the TOS of every single website in which I deposit money, but I admit that at the beginning when I was just a newbie I did not do it, fortunately for me this never brought me trouble but since I have read some of the stories in the forum about people that did in fact got in trouble for not reading the TOS then it is better to take the precaution and do it, even if most TOS when it comes to casinos are similar there are still some differences especially when it comes to bonuses and things like that.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on July 10, 2021, 04:40:41 PM

Quote from: South Park on July 10, 2021, 04:32:46 PM

I will admit that I am also guilty of this, it is not fun at all to read the terms of conditions of a new site especially if you do not know if you are going to be there for long, but it has to be done, after all supposing we are lucky enough to get a huge win out of our gambling activities now you are going to be subjected to those terms of service and if you violated a single one of the terms then it is unlikely your wins are ever going to be paid.

^ But that is not a good practice at all, we should spend time at least 1-2 hours reading the TOS before using it. Especially in gambling that is very needed, to avoid possible gambling games that have various rules and conditions before using them and avoid possible mistakes in the future. Reading TOS is very important than FAQ, we should learn to practice ourselves reading anything before using the site. Because sometimes the result of freezing time are those people who did not know it that could their account become an uncessable.

No one will be willing to read the whole terms of any services by spending few hours, trust me.
Most people including me usually read some part of it especially the one which we consider as the most important thing.
In my case, I will only use search function to find part about KYC, payment system and method, and some other things.
Basically most terms is similar to each other so I think it is wasting time and useless to read the whole terms of a service.

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Quote from: harizen on July 11, 2021, 02:32:53 AM

Quote from: DoublerHunter on July 10, 2021, 04:40:41 PM

But that is not a good practice at all, we should spend time at least 1-2 hours reading the TOS before using it.

I doubt the majority of here will spend 1-2 hours reading the Terms and Conditions. If you are doing that for every site, I'm amazed at you. And besides, it's not that easy to memorize all the terms even spending 1-2 hours or more. You will still miss something.

With that, I will say it's "NOT NECESSARY" to read the whole Terms.

Mainly, just go ahead to terms about anything related to Know-Your-Customer, Prohibited Countries, using VPN, multiple accounts, bonus terms, Deposit, and Withdrawal terms, or something that you are concerned about.

That is what we need to search for before we start playing, even if we use the faucet, because sometimes, after we played to test the site, we can tempt to deposit our money to continue playing the other gambling games. If we can know the main rules of the gambling site, we will not try to break even for just a small mistake.

Spending 1-2 hours only reading the Terms and Conditions will not advisable but if you want to know all of their rules, you are free to do that. I do not read the whole Terms and Conditions because I know that will be too long to read so I will skip the part that is not important.

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Quote from: harizen on July 11, 2021, 02:32:53 AM

I doubt the majority of here will spend 1-2 hours reading the Terms and Conditions. If you are doing that for every site, I'm amazed at you. And besides, it's not that easy to memorize all the terms even spending 1-2 hours or more. You will still miss something.

With that, I will say it's "NOT NECESSARY" to read the whole Terms.

Mainly, just go ahead to terms about anything related to Know-Your-Customer, Prohibited Countries, using VPN, multiple accounts, bonus terms, Deposit, and Withdrawal terms, or something that you are concerned about.

There is one more interesting point: in any ToS of any casino you can find terms that will be unacceptable for you. And what to do in this case? We cannot offer our conditions for a casino or find casino where everything suits us, so we have to compromise and hope that these unpleasant points will not be important.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on July 10, 2021, 04:40:41 PM

But that is not a good practice at all, we should spend time at least 1-2 hours reading the TOS before using it.

I doubt the majority of here will spend 1-2 hours reading the Terms and Conditions. If you are doing that for every site, I'm amazed at you. And besides, it's not that easy to memorize all the terms even spending 1-2 hours or more. You will still miss something.

With that, I will say it's "NOT NECESSARY" to read the whole Terms.

Mainly, just go ahead to terms about anything related to Know-Your-Customer, Prohibited Countries, using VPN, multiple accounts, bonus terms, Deposit, and Withdrawal terms, or something that you are concerned about.

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Quote from: South Park on July 10, 2021, 04:32:46 PM

I will admit that I am also guilty of this, it is not fun at all to read the terms of conditions of a new site especially if you do not know if you are going to be there for long, but it has to be done, after all supposing we are lucky enough to get a huge win out of our gambling activities now you are going to be subjected to those terms of service and if you violated a single one of the terms then it is unlikely your wins are ever going to be paid.

^ But that is not a good practice at all, we should spend time at least 1-2 hours reading the TOS before using it. Especially in gambling that is very needed, to avoid possible gambling games that have various rules and conditions before using them and avoid possible mistakes in the future. Reading TOS is very important than FAQ, we should learn to practice ourselves reading anything before using the site. Because sometimes the result of freezing time are those people who did not know it that could their account become an uncessable.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on July 06, 2021, 05:58:51 PM

Quote from: South Park on July 06, 2021, 04:45:02 PM

While you have a point at the same time what it is written on the TOS is not a law, what I mean is that there are some casinos out there that have made abuses in the TOS in the past and the community did not simply took a look at the TOS and accepted everything that was written in there, however as you said it is important to read it before depositing any money, I know this is really boring and many people do not want to do it but it is very important to do this in the websites in which we have some bitcoin stored as you do not want to break a common sense rule and lose access to your coins because of it.

Boring indeed and not all would really be having the time on reading up a very long text whenever they do get engage on a new site or tending to play.

They would just simply skip out and play right away which is a common behavior even myself would really be doing it most of the time.

TOS is important to read because you would know the terms and conditions but if there are sudden alterations then that would already be a shady stuff.

I will admit that I am also guilty of this, it is not fun at all to read the terms of conditions of a new site especially if you do not know if you are going to be there for long, but it has to be done, after all supposing we are lucky enough to get a huge win out of our gambling activities now you are going to be subjected to those terms of service and if you violated a single one of the terms then it is unlikely your wins are ever going to be paid.

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Quote from: Zilon on June 27, 2021, 07:00:18 AM

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

This is a good enlightment for beginners gamblers that just go to a gambling site and place bet without have a good knowledge or review of such gambling platforms which always affect one during withdrawal process if the Gambling platform is scam and insincere in their operation.

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But many gamblers may not care enough about the site term and condition because most of the sites have pretty much the same term and condition. I think it is a misunderstanding of some gamblers because obviously some site also have different term and condition. I agree that these term and condition are thing that every gambler need to pay attention to because almost all the information about the rule is written there. To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point.

Reading the important point will cover our needs to know what is their Terms and Conditions so we do not have to break their rules. But yes, many gamblers seems do not do that because maybe they have a reason why they do not read that. Maybe the point will almost the same as almost the other gambling site but maybe there is one or more point that will different since the gambling site will have different owner and policy.

Now due to so many problems that have been generated thanks to different things like KYC, such as prohibited countries, Withdrawal problems, a lot of players have started to read the Terms and Conditions, something that in reality they had almost never done was read the terms and conditions, it seemed to me that it was very long and somewhat tedious apart I was lazy, but because I am residing in a country that can be prohibited I have had to read the Terms and Conditions when I make new registrations, I think that when there is a need people take the decision to read, meanwhile I think people will not.

Their Terms and Conditions seem too long to read. But maybe we can search for the point about what a gambler can do and do not. We can skip the not important things on the Terms and Conditions, but it is better to read all of that. Maybe spend some time reading all of those will not be a problem for us. As long as we know the rules, we will be okay and will not have a problem. But if we lived in a country that prohibits gambling, maybe we need to be careful playing gambling on that site.

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Quote from: btc78 on July 08, 2021, 10:08:02 PM

Back in beginning of my Online gambling playing specially here in crypto gambling ? i am not aware of the importance of the TOS or TOC and i don't even read their rules and regulations.
but when time comes that one of my friends god issues about His account being freeze because of Violation ? i start learning lesson and come to read everything and all the details so i won't miss one for my own safety .
It is our obligation to read first before depositing and play.

I used to not read the whole content of Terms and Condition in any aspect I mean it is enough for me to be able to catch the significant rule of the gambling or the betting site that i have entered but dealing with cryptocurrency is a whole lot different story. And to be honest I learned to read it detail by detail because misssing one information written in T&C may lead you to worst case scenario.

To be honest, it was never my habit to read T&C. I was just checking the appropriate box and moving on. After reading this thread for a while I decided to be more careful in the future. I think I won't read all of them still, but I will be searching for some important keywords, using "Find" tool.

Kudos to the gambling platforms that make it easy to read T&C by making it as short as possible!

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In the terms of use, anything can be written, any beautiful and pleasant things that the player wants to see there. But if you start playing in a new casino, it is important for you to know not what is written in the TOS, but how it actually works. Therefore, the first thing to carefully study is the feedback about the project from other users who already have relevant experience. And this is an important painstaking work, since reviews are often filled by bots or are paid.

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Maybe with post like this and sharing of idea , and also those tons of scam accusations regarding gambling sites using this same issue to ban or freeze players account and take their money?
this will open all gamblers eyes to pay attention regarding the Rules that they must follow even before depositing or creating an account.
so if the site rules is against your belief then better not to create account .

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Quote from: hahay on July 08, 2021, 10:15:56 PM

Quote from: btc78 on July 08, 2021, 10:08:02 PM

Back in beginning of my Online gambling playing specially here in crypto gambling ? i am not aware of the importance of the TOS or TOC and i don't even read their rules and regulations.
but when time comes that one of my friends god issues about His account being freeze because of Violation ? i start learning lesson and come to read everything and all the details so i won't miss one for my own safety .
It is our obligation to read first before depositing and play.

That's what happened a lot and also it happened to me in the past but luckily for me, when my account was frozen but I was still able to appeal until the problem was resolved until I was able to make a withdrawal to finally leave the related gambling site. Therefore, most gambling users will learn from mistakes until finally realizing that reading anything related to the gambling site that will be used is an important factor, and this will happen continuously for new users because they will also still not be aware of basic things like this.

Sometimes we need to experience bad things first to be able to realize the mistakes we made, when I was a newbie also did the same thing.
I'm lazy to read the TOS because most gambling TOS are long enough to read, which resulted in me violating the site's gambling rules,
finally got my funds frozen. Luckily I was able to solve my problem well too, I agree that it is very important to read the TOS before deciding
to play on a gambling site. So that we can find out the rules imposed by the gambling site that we will use, and not have our account frozen or banned.

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