Terms and condition a must read before signing up any online gambling site - page 6.

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Quote from: btc78 on July 08, 2021, 10:08:02 PM

Back in beginning of my Online gambling playing specially here in crypto gambling ? i am not aware of the importance of the TOS or TOC and i don't even read their rules and regulations.
but when time comes that one of my friends god issues about His account being freeze because of Violation ? i start learning lesson and come to read everything and all the details so i won't miss one for my own safety .
It is our obligation to read first before depositing and play.

I used to not read the whole content of Terms and Condition in any aspect I mean it is enough for me to be able to catch the significant rule of the gambling or the betting site that i have entered but dealing with cryptocurrency is a whole lot different story. And to be honest I learned to read it detail by detail because misssing one information written in T&C may lead you to worst case scenario.

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Quote from: btc78 on July 08, 2021, 10:08:02 PM

Back in beginning of my Online gambling playing specially here in crypto gambling ? i am not aware of the importance of the TOS or TOC and i don't even read their rules and regulations.
but when time comes that one of my friends god issues about His account being freeze because of Violation ? i start learning lesson and come to read everything and all the details so i won't miss one for my own safety .
It is our obligation to read first before depositing and play.

That's what happened a lot and also it happened to me in the past but luckily for me, when my account was frozen but I was still able to appeal until the problem was resolved until I was able to make a withdrawal to finally leave the related gambling site. Therefore, most gambling users will learn from mistakes until finally realizing that reading anything related to the gambling site that will be used is an important factor, and this will happen continuously for new users because they will also still not be aware of basic things like this.

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Back in beginning of my Online gambling playing specially here in crypto gambling ? i am not aware of the importance of the TOS or TOC and i don't even read their rules and regulations.
but when time comes that one of my friends god issues about His account being freeze because of Violation ? i start learning lesson and come to read everything and all the details so i won't miss one for my own safety .
It is our obligation to read first before depositing and play.

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Quote from: ipanks on July 08, 2021, 10:41:14 AM

Quote from: BITCOIN4X on July 07, 2021, 12:31:44 PM

But many gamblers may not care enough about the site term and condition because most of the sites have pretty much the same term and condition. I think it is a misunderstanding of some gamblers because obviously some site also have different term and condition. I agree that these term and condition are thing that every gambler need to pay attention to because almost all the information about the rule is written there. To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point.

Reading the important point will cover our needs to know what is their Terms and Conditions so we do not have to break their rules. But yes, many gamblers seems do not do that because maybe they have a reason why they do not read that. Maybe the point will almost the same as almost the other gambling site but maybe there is one or more point that will different since the gambling site will have different owner and policy.

Now due to so many problems that have been generated thanks to different things like KYC, such as prohibited countries, Withdrawal problems, a lot of players have started to read the Terms and Conditions, something that in reality they had almost never done was read the terms and conditions, it seemed to me that it was very long and somewhat tedious apart I was lazy, but because I am residing in a country that can be prohibited I have had to read the Terms and Conditions when I make new registrations, I think that when there is a need people take the decision to read, meanwhile I think people will not.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on July 07, 2021, 12:31:44 PM

But many gamblers may not care enough about the site term and condition because most of the sites have pretty much the same term and condition. I think it is a misunderstanding of some gamblers because obviously some site also have different term and condition. I agree that these term and condition are thing that every gambler need to pay attention to because almost all the information about the rule is written there. To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point.

Reading the important point will cover our needs to know what is their Terms and Conditions so we do not have to break their rules. But yes, many gamblers seems do not do that because maybe they have a reason why they do not read that. Maybe the point will almost the same as almost the other gambling site but maybe there is one or more point that will different since the gambling site will have different owner and policy.

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Quote from: justdimin on July 08, 2021, 08:24:05 AM

Quote from: Obito on July 06, 2021, 08:10:08 AM

My stance on reading the TOS or not is that I think that it's a futile thing to do because if you read it, and you find that some parts of the TOS isn't agreeable, you won't accept it meaning that you won't be able to access the site since most of them don't allow players to enter if they don't agree with their TOS.

It's the most fruitful thing to do if you can read their ToS and find a problem because even though you cannot agree to those terms and hence cannot register, at least you are saved from a potential loss. I can't believe people are so desperate and craving to gamble that they are ready to agree on some vengeful terms and conditions just so that they can gamble right away.

If you read the ToS and find something vengeful you should just inform the support and ask for more clarity or you can create a thread in the reputation section and ask others' opinions on the matter. I am sure most of the crypto casinos are more than ready to make amends and edit any policy that can scare away their potential customers.

Not reading ToS just because you fear you can't join the casino if something is wrong, is plain insanity!

Casinos implement their terms based on their license and for their convenience to make more profits, in some cases they mention something in the indirect way so the user's money can be in their account forever when they violates it.

But its a must think to read the terms before clicking the agree and asking about other opinions are secondary thing and make them to change it as well.

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Quote from: Obito on July 06, 2021, 08:10:08 AM

My stance on reading the TOS or not is that I think that it's a futile thing to do because if you read it, and you find that some parts of the TOS isn't agreeable, you won't accept it meaning that you won't be able to access the site since most of them don't allow players to enter if they don't agree with their TOS.

It's the most fruitful thing to do if you can read their ToS and find a problem because even though you cannot agree to those terms and hence cannot register, at least you are saved from a potential loss. I can't believe people are so desperate and craving to gamble that they are ready to agree on some vengeful terms and conditions just so that they can gamble right away.

If you read the ToS and find something vengeful you should just inform the support and ask for more clarity or you can create a thread in the reputation section and ask others' opinions on the matter. I am sure most of the crypto casinos are more than ready to make amends and edit any policy that can scare away their potential customers.

Not reading ToS just because you fear you can't join the casino if something is wrong, is plain insanity!

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It is the first thing you should do even before registering on that casino you wish to play as Terms and conditions are list of rules that will provide you all the details of the casino related to deposit, withdrawal,fees and other information.There are usually long list of points which every gambler must read but many times player ignore this and ask the same question like when will my withdrawal be processed? And deposit the wrong coin to and other technical issue which all are at first clarified in T&C of that casino.If there is any change in that list and new update then you must check it and have information about all the rules in advance so that you don't have any further problems.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on July 07, 2021, 12:31:44 PM

To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point.

Doing the same thing I subscribe to their newsletter if there are any and there channel if there are changes in their rules and terms, majority of these gambling sites have the same terms of service and rules, and it's a waste of time to get back there and read, again and again, a trusted gambling site will always have notification if they have changes in their rules and terms, suspicious sites will not do that.

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Quote from: tippytoes on July 07, 2021, 03:29:31 PM

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Quote from: paxmao on July 06, 2021, 06:37:49 PM

In fact terms and conditions are a must read in anything you do.

But many gamblers may not care enough about the site term and condition because most of the sites have pretty much the same term and condition. I think it is a misunderstanding of some gamblers because obviously some site also have different term and condition. I agree that these term and condition are thing that every gambler need to pay attention to because almost all the information about the rule is written there. To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point.

That's fine, as long as you know the important things to look at that may possibly give you problem in your account. Because, honestly, how many really read the ToS from beginning to end. But if you are a high roller, I think, you better read it all before it is too late. There are some variations from site to site, regarding their country restrictions, wagering requirements, min depo/withdrawal, use of VPN and many others. So you need to be alert with those things as it may cause freezing of your account if you violate their conditions.

Not really necessary to read up all the pile of text and as mentioned that reading the highlights or the most important ones should be enough for you to be aware on what are the things you should avoid
to prevent possible headaches or problems in the future specially if you are a big wagerer then that would surely counts or does matter. For sure most of us doesnt really care on reading up TOS
which is understandable considering on how long it is then no gambler would have the time nor waste up any moment on reading it and they would just play it right away.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on July 07, 2021, 12:31:44 PM

Quote from: paxmao on July 06, 2021, 06:37:49 PM

In fact terms and conditions are a must read in anything you do.

But many gamblers may not care enough about the site term and condition because most of the sites have pretty much the same term and condition. I think it is a misunderstanding of some gamblers because obviously some site also have different term and condition. I agree that these term and condition are thing that every gambler need to pay attention to because almost all the information about the rule is written there. To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point.

That's fine, as long as you know the important things to look at that may possibly give you problem in your account. Because, honestly, how many really read the ToS from beginning to end. But if you are a high roller, I think, you better read it all before it is too late. There are some variations from site to site, regarding their country restrictions, wagering requirements, min depo/withdrawal, use of VPN and many others. So you need to be alert with those things as it may cause freezing of your account if you violate their conditions.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 06, 2021, 06:37:49 PM

In fact terms and conditions are a must read in anything you do.

But many gamblers may not care enough about the site term and condition because most of the sites have pretty much the same term and condition. I think it is a misunderstanding of some gamblers because obviously some site also have different term and condition. I agree that these term and condition are thing that every gambler need to pay attention to because almost all the information about the rule is written there. To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on July 01, 2021, 06:39:16 PM

Reading up terms is a must but if you are really get bored on doing that then always seek just on the highlights or most important details.

It will be the important thing that gamblers must know before they end up gambling. If they can not withdraw because of a little mistake, that will make them regret it. Besides that, if they already read about the other gamblers mistakes, I think they will try to avoid that and make sure that they will not break the rules. Maybe the casino will change some rules based on the conditions, but the gamblers must follow every rule from the casino.

People don't realize that agreeing to some online casino's Terms & Conditions is the same as signing a piece of paper without reading what was written on it. I hope we all understand and realize how dangerous it could be signing a paper without reading, equally if not more risky is signing up to a casino without actually reading everything the casino has in their Terms & Conditions.

It takes hardly 15-20 mins to read all the Terms & Conditions roughly and if some point you feel has a trick or some kind of error which might trouble you later, take more time and read it carefully. It's your money and you cannot do much if you agreed to some exploitative conditions while signing up o the casino.

Maybe that is because they do not think that they will deposit more money to gamble so they do not read the Terms & Conditions. If they do not have a problem, they will not read until they get a problem and realize that they break the rules. Unless you do not deposit too big and not playing gambling too often like the other player, you do not have to read that.

Spending 15-20 mins is too long for them but maybe they will just read the point and continue playing gambling. I hope we read all the Terms & Conditions or at least, we can do that when we take a break to know the main rules.

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We should always read it to know what we should avoid,
It isn't just on gambling but also in all of the things that have that kind of agreements.
And for me it isn't just the Terms and condition that we should read but also all the permission that you would accept from certain apps.

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In fact terms and conditions are a must read in anything you do. Perhaps we are becoming too used to large software companies or utility providers supplying us with pages long contracts of absurd legal terms that basically allow them to spy in your life, your house, your family and perhaps your pets. Most times, we are not really free to reject those terms, for example, at work, you have to accept the terms of use of certain software that your company uses even if you are not happy about it taking a look at your work habits and the like.
At least when joining a casino, make sure that you do read those terms because you do have a choice there.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on July 06, 2021, 06:13:01 PM

Quote from: nakamura12 on July 03, 2021, 09:41:33 AM

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Some gambling sites ask KYC when withdrawing and didn't ask for KYC when registering an account.

^ Not only when registering, but it is also included that allows you to deposit your fund which is you had become a headache knowing the fact that it requires KYC so that you can able to withdraw your fund. Sometimes we have a lazy feeling about not ready for the TOS, but for me, even though you are not reading the TOS that is fine, as long as you are reading the FAQ which gives an instant idea and knowledge. This way, we can avoid possible errors in the future and this is also for our own benefit not to have mistakes.

Very good advice, if we are lazy to read the TOS, we can read the FAQ. Because important information related to gambling site rules is usually
in the FAQ. But my advice, if possible, don't be lazy to read the TOS before registering at the gambling sites that we will use, in order to be able
to choose gambling sites that match the criteria we are looking for. Because reading the TOS does not take a long time.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on July 03, 2021, 09:41:33 AM

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Some gambling sites ask KYC when withdrawing and didn't ask for KYC when registering an account.

^ Not only when registering, but it is also included that allows you to deposit your fund which is you had become a headache knowing the fact that it requires KYC so that you can able to withdraw your fund. Sometimes we have a lazy feeling about not ready for the TOS, but for me, even though you are not reading the TOS that is fine, as long as you are reading the FAQ which gives an instant idea and knowledge. This way, we can avoid possible errors in the future and this is also for our own benefit not to have mistakes.

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Quote from: South Park on July 06, 2021, 04:45:02 PM

Quote from: khaled0111 on July 02, 2021, 07:55:51 PM

The ToS is like a contract between you and the service you want to use. You have to read it all to know your rights and your obligations. Ticking the "I have read and agree to the ToS" box before registration is the same as signing a contract.
If you ignore it and don't read it because it's too long then you should not complain when the service bans your account and seizes your funds because you've unintentionally broke one of the rules stated in the ToS.

While you have a point at the same time what it is written on the TOS is not a law, what I mean is that there are some casinos out there that have made abuses in the TOS in the past and the community did not simply took a look at the TOS and accepted everything that was written in there, however as you said it is important to read it before depositing any money, I know this is really boring and many people do not want to do it but it is very important to do this in the websites in which we have some bitcoin stored as you do not want to break a common sense rule and lose access to your coins because of it.

Boring indeed and not all would really be having the time on reading up a very long text whenever they do get engage on a new site or tending to play.

They would just simply skip out and play right away which is a common behavior even myself would really be doing it most of the time.

TOS is important to read because you would know the terms and conditions but if there are sudden alterations then that would already be a shady stuff.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on July 02, 2021, 07:55:51 PM

The ToS is like a contract between you and the service you want to use. You have to read it all to know your rights and your obligations. Ticking the "I have read and agree to the ToS" box before registration is the same as signing a contract.
If you ignore it and don't read it because it's too long then you should not complain when the service bans your account and seizes your funds because you've unintentionally broke one of the rules stated in the ToS.

While you have a point at the same time what it is written on the TOS is not a law, what I mean is that there are some casinos out there that have made abuses in the TOS in the past and the community did not simply took a look at the TOS and accepted everything that was written in there, however as you said it is important to read it before depositing any money, I know this is really boring and many people do not want to do it but it is very important to do this in the websites in which we have some bitcoin stored as you do not want to break a common sense rule and lose access to your coins because of it.

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Quote from: Mauser on June 29, 2021, 02:21:48 AM

Quote from: Obito on June 29, 2021, 01:51:36 AM

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Reading the TOS is important if we are new to a casino. Knowing in which jurisdiction they operate and what our rights are is important too. But we need do be aware that with Internet companies it can be very difficult in case of a dispute. Knowing that we are in the right and casino is wrong, doesn't mean we will immediately get our money back. The enforcement of our rights can take years with companies operating from overseas.

My stance on reading the TOS or not is that I think that it's a futile thing to do because if you read it, and you find that some parts of the TOS isn't agreeable, you won't accept it meaning that you won't be able to access the site since most of them don't allow players to enter if they don't agree with their TOS.

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