Terms and condition a must read before signing up any online gambling site - page 9.

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Quote from: Yogee on June 27, 2021, 09:52:04 AM

I don't know why you still have make this post in the gambling section.

I felt this should concern gamblers more so I choosed the gambling board for the thread but however the major point is my thought about gambling sites and how the lengthy their terms and conditions are. Looking so boring and tiresome. I don't know if it's done with that format so as to deter gamblers from reading them while the go about their hidden plots to loot from their clients

For sure no one really like to post up lengthy pile of text but they would really be needing to put up every single detail because that would surely be needed and for the users to know on what are the site rules
thats needed to be followed and would able to avoid possible problems in the future.Its actually for our own good or sake but due to laziness of most gamblers then this is mostly been neglected or ignored to be
read up and even myself do really find this tiring and boring to be read up anytime i do make out some switch up from gambling site to another gambling site so i cant really blame off people on why
they do really have this kind of behavior which is actually a common one.

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Quote from: Karartma1 on June 29, 2021, 11:30:38 AM

Who's gonna read pages and pages of T&Cs? Nobody.
Then what happens is that companies put some guardrails in place to defend themselves and the players that don't read them, when they get scammed start to blame the platforms.
But players should blame themselves first.
I also don't read everything but at least, using the search function, I make sure that I can do (or can't do) certain things.
The rest is pretty much the same on every platform.
Be smart people.

I admit that I'm one of those who skip the T&Csmost of the time especially if it's too long. However, the company should also consider the convenience of its users without asking or demanding for personal information just to pass the KYC. They should also try to keep their users. That's actually the reason why I always check for the legitimacy of every site that I'm using.

yeah , most of gamblors ignore pages of T&Cs , in my opinion bettors should avoid sites that have unclear terms or law for kyc i think some if not most they dont accept id card even , they sayed photo large or language must be in english , lot of fake and bad arguments , all of this for scamming people under the name of kyc the new scam that appeared recently by sites gambling is the fake of law kyc, i hope the will be solved in the future because lot of bettors lost their money because of kyc the crypto does not need kyc but the speed and ease in exchanging money yes

That is true almost nobody reads terms and conditions. In this case it's important to at least verify on google reviews about the casino you are going into. There are several sites which offer customers' reviews about every online gambling platforms nowadays. They aren't too extense like terms and conditions and still present a lot of useful informations which will be enough for you to decide if that is a good idea to play at that particular casino or not.
There are also comments' sections on these sites with more opinions from users and there are forums like bitcointalk which are very useful in this sense as well.

* Just avoid youtuber streamers opinions Grin

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Quote from: Yogee on June 27, 2021, 09:52:04 AM

I don't know why you still have make this post in the gambling section.

I felt this should concern gamblers more so I choosed the gambling board for the thread but however the major point is my thought about gambling sites and how the lengthy their terms and conditions are. Looking so boring and tiresome. I don't know if it's done with that format so as to deter gamblers from reading them while the go about their hidden plots to loot from their clients

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on June 29, 2021, 11:00:13 PM

Sometimes I am surprised by gamblers who get angry when crypto gambling sites update their TOS, it's a natural thing to do in my opinion.
Because crypto gambling sites have to make some adjustments to the latest situation, they are platforms created for business purposes.
Surely the crypto gambling site will make rules in their favor, if we don't like it, there's no need to be angry. We just have to look for a crypto
gambling site that suits our needs, because each crypto gambling site must have a different TOS.

We don't know whether it's profitable or not for players, but gambling sites should not make updates that harm the players. I mean, if the update suddenly occurs the gambling site must confirm the players whether they agree or not, so that he can secure their money from the site.

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Quote from: Karartma1 on June 30, 2021, 06:25:31 AM

I don't think it's about being a newbie or not. It's a matter of being conscious (and cautious) about what we do: if there are pages of T&Cs they are there are for a reason. Most of the time those get written to safeguard the platform itself but reading between the lines and making sure the most important info (kyc, bonuses, country restrictions etc.) are clear it's very important.

I guess it is also about Newbie mate or not because those newbies mostly knows nothing about such kind of tricks from gambling sites so they mostly become the victim here but of course you are correct because it is every peoples obligations to read the rules first before entering everything.

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Like I said, we don't need to read everything but at least what it's truly important.

well you will miss one if you don't go through the whole terms so we need to read everything .

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Quote from: rodskee on June 29, 2021, 09:13:51 PM

this is one of the biggest problem in online gambling now because those newbies has no idea how strict this can be once you violated but will never imposed as long as the situation is favoring the gambling site.

Just like creating multiple accounts? lol they will never come your way as long as you are depositing and playing , But once you Win ? specially some good amount of winnings ? that willbe the start of your nightmare .

A lot of gambling site have used this means to deprived gamblers of their ignorance since they never care about reading the terms that guide a particular gamble or game.
This does not only affects newbies but anybody that is not ready or too lazy to find out what it takes to go through the necessary rules of a game.
Gambling has a lot of ways to compromise its participants because of the perplexing rules that surrounds it.

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I don't think it's about being a newbie or not. It's a matter of being conscious (and cautious) about what we do: if there are pages of T&Cs they are there are for a reason. Most of the time those get written to safeguard the platform itself but reading between the lines and making sure the most important info (kyc, bonuses, country restrictions etc.) are clear it's very important.
Like I said, we don't need to read everything but at least what it's truly important.

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Quote from: rodskee on June 29, 2021, 09:13:51 PM

this is one of the biggest problem in online gambling now because those newbies has no idea how strict this can be once you violated but will never imposed as long as the situation is favoring the gambling site.

Just like creating multiple accounts? lol they will never come your way as long as you are depositing and playing , But once you Win ? specially some good amount of winnings ? that willbe the start of your nightmare .

Newbies will learn about that rule because they will get the new experience once they want to withdraw the money but they need to verify themselves first. After they got that experienced, they will learn that they need to search for a gambling site that does not have strict terms and conditions to withdraw their win money. If they want to create multiple accounts just to playing gambling, the casino will know about that and maybe they will block them. Wise newbies will learn from their mistake

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Quote from: Finestream on June 29, 2021, 05:41:53 PM

I'm a good example of that, I usually don't read the TOS as I'm thinking most TOS are all the same, it's more on technical but I believe the site would not make a stupid mistake to destroy their reputation, so my strategy is very simple, I usually play on a casino with a good reputation and has a big market as I know they'll ensure to keep that reputation intact.

But some casino had weird tos such we had to gamble certain amount before withdraw but they let everyone deposit any amount. and I think that is the problem if some people dont really read tos Fortunately, nowadays most popular online casinos make everythings easier. like deposits. withdraw. registers and others.

A popular crypto gambling site recently update their ToS and some gamblers are mad because of that one so I think, it's better to find some time reading the terms of Service so you can understand the risk of using that site because having a good reputation is not enough, you may find some rules that you don't want to comply so better to know it at first. I know some TOS are too long to read, but you can look on some important information there like the KYC, withdrawals and Deposit and the country restrictions.

Sometimes I am surprised by gamblers who get angry when crypto gambling sites update their TOS, it's a natural thing to do in my opinion.
Because crypto gambling sites have to make some adjustments to the latest situation, they are platforms created for business purposes.
Surely the crypto gambling site will make rules in their favor, if we don't like it, there's no need to be angry. We just have to look for a crypto
gambling site that suits our needs, because each crypto gambling site must have a different TOS.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on June 29, 2021, 09:19:43 PM

Just a suggestion I guess sites should adopt as well to have a documentations or some gitbooks were it's easy to dive onto t&c and other site stuffs. This gitbooks was somehow a trend especially in the DeFi space and it helps a lot.

Your intention is indeed Best mate but let's admit the reality here mate that T&C is a trap , actually gambling site use this as hiding place to take advantage of their gamblers , I know that not all of them but the truth is? by chance they already Knew these things but not even making action to Help players understand easily the terms .

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Quote from: rodskee on June 29, 2021, 09:13:51 PM

this is one of the biggest problem in online gambling now because those newbies has no idea how strict this can be once you violated but will never imposed as long as the situation is favoring the gambling site.

Just like creating multiple accounts? lol they will never come your way as long as you are depositing and playing , But once you Win ? specially some good amount of winnings ? that willbe the start of your nightmare .

Well, I guess it's true but if in the first place they read the t&c when most of the time it was being shown if you're trying to sign up on a site. The thing about this sites was they don't make it a requirement to read that long t&c and they just let it slide and mark/checked that "I agree" checkmark.

Just a suggestion I guess sites should adopt as well to have a documentations or some gitbooks were it's easy to dive onto t&c and other site stuffs. This gitbooks was somehow a trend especially in the DeFi space and it helps a lot.

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this is one of the biggest problem in online gambling now because those newbies has no idea how strict this can be once you violated but will never imposed as long as the situation is favoring the gambling site.

Just like creating multiple accounts? lol they will never come your way as long as you are depositing and playing , But once you Win ? specially some good amount of winnings ? that willbe the start of your nightmare .

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Quote from: Zilon on June 27, 2021, 07:00:18 AM

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

This is a very real threat in my opinion that is completely underrated by the crypto community.

People think that you can just get away with not reading T&C's and choose who you play with off of their reputation alone. But trust me, I've seen a ton of casinos and sportsbooks that have gone completely rogue after years of honest practice. Yet, they have stayed in business because they're able to leverage their Terms and Conditions and the nitty gritty inside them.

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I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

You should be doing DD on any site you're parking a significant amount of funds on, period. This includes all casinos/sportsbooks. Take a look at their history, reputation, community engagement, physical location, and regulatory status. All of the above are important.

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Quote from: Finestream on June 29, 2021, 05:41:53 PM

I'm a good example of that, I usually don't read the TOS as I'm thinking most TOS are all the same, it's more on technical but I believe the site would not make a stupid mistake to destroy their reputation, so my strategy is very simple, I usually play on a casino with a good reputation and has a big market as I know they'll ensure to keep that reputation intact.

But some casino had weird tos such we had to gamble certain amount before withdraw but they let everyone deposit any amount. and I think that is the problem if some people dont really read tos Fortunately, nowadays most popular online casinos make everythings easier. like deposits. withdraw. registers and others.

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To fully understand the site, reading the terms and conditions is a must and not just on gambling site as much as possible, make this one as a habit every time you create an account on any site. The important informations that you may need , you can see here so I think this is very important. Some gambling site made changes on that without informing the players or the users, that’s why read it at least once in a month to see if there’s a changes that may affect your activities, you can prevent it by reading the ToS.

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Yeah, that is why I also said so:

Quote from: Rengga Jati on June 28, 2021, 06:50:01 PM

This is actually a basic thing to do before registering on the gambling site, actually not only on gambling sites but on any site or platform.

We can't ignore reading the T&C because this is also one of the ways to know about the platform.
However, some people may still not be aware of it and skip reading the T&C, and only back to T&C when they only need certain information.
That's true, changing T&C will give an impact on the users, however, yeah once more that is their right that is of course based on certain evaluations.

But honestly, when there are so many wordings and sentences in the T&C, will really you all here read all of them one by one? Or only by skimming or focusing on certain points that are considered important?

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on June 29, 2021, 05:53:36 PM

Quote from: Finestream on June 29, 2021, 05:41:53 PM

Quote from: just_Alice on June 29, 2021, 04:30:22 PM

You have a point, but there's a reason people don't read ToS: they're extremely long and often written in a rather technical language, which normally people can't fully understand.

I'm a good example of that, I usually don't read the TOS as I'm thinking most TOS are all the same, it's more on technical but I believe the site would not make a stupid mistake to destroy their reputation, so my strategy is very simple, I usually play on a casino with a good reputation and has a big market as I know they'll ensure to keep that reputation intact.

^ Even though you are not reading the TOS but I think you must go first to the FAQ which is some of those questions come from the TOS. For me, reading TOS is a very important matter because you can read it there the DO and the DONTS which is causing possible mistakes every time you will use it. So if you have enough time to read the TOS much better. It is better if you want to protect yourself from possibly violating the rules and TOS is very important at all and nothing else matter.

What Finestream wishes to say is that "DO & DONT's" are pretty much the same everywhere, if you follow the logic! And what can you possibly want to do in one casino that you can't do in any other?!

If you are an honest player you will not have problems... at least not some big problems! But this doesn't apply to high rollers and people who have good winning streaks (most often with sports betting)! People with a lot of money should think twice before choosing a casino, they can be robbed! And people with long/big winning streaks often have problems with cashing out! With reading or not their ToS!

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Quote from: just_Alice on June 29, 2021, 04:30:22 PM

You have a point, but there's a reason people don't read ToS: they're extremely long and often written in a rather technical language, which normally people can't fully understand.

I'm a good example of that, I usually don't read the TOS as I'm thinking most TOS are all the same, it's more on technical but I believe the site would not make a stupid mistake to destroy their reputation, so my strategy is very simple, I usually play on a casino with a good reputation and has a big market as I know they'll ensure to keep that reputation intact.

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Quote from: Finestream on June 29, 2021, 05:41:53 PM

Quote from: just_Alice on June 29, 2021, 04:30:22 PM

You have a point, but there's a reason people don't read ToS: they're extremely long and often written in a rather technical language, which normally people can't fully understand.

I'm a good example of that, I usually don't read the TOS as I'm thinking most TOS are all the same, it's more on technical but I believe the site would not make a stupid mistake to destroy their reputation, so my strategy is very simple, I usually play on a casino with a good reputation and has a big market as I know they'll ensure to keep that reputation intact.

^ Even though you are not reading the TOS but I think you must go first to the FAQ which is some of those questions come from the TOS. For me, reading TOS is a very important matter because you can read it there the DO and the DONTS which is causing possible mistakes every time you will use it. So if you have enough time to read the TOS much better. It is better if you want to protect yourself from possibly violating the rules and TOS is very important at all and nothing else matter.

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Quote from: Zilon on June 27, 2021, 07:00:18 AM

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

You did agree to the terms of service when you create an account and start playing over there. So it is indeed your responsibility to read what you are agreeing to. Most casinos don't allow users to play from certain countries and they block access to the site. But people find their way around. When they get flagged, they start crying. The casino cannot verify that each and every user is following the terms of service or not. So when you get caught, be prepared to face the consequences for breaking the terms of service. Usually you will always get back your initial deposit and your winnings will highly likely for forfeited.

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