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Quote from: goinmerry on July 26, 2021, 07:59:38 AM

Quote from: xSkylarx on July 26, 2021, 07:31:43 AM

I believe that those websites that block VPNs do so because some of the users who are from countries where online gambling is restricted or prohibited must use VPNs to access the gambling websites, and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country.

You already said that gamblers use VPN so they will have the freedom to access the website they won't able to access in their country.

How come the website will be responsible for any legal actions if they allow users from prohibited countries to play? They won't detect it because of the obvious reason that they are using a VPN. There are lots of VPN types and site owners can't reliably detect if those users are using a VPN.

They put that on terms so that users will know that anything related to VPN is not allowed on the site even there's no way a site can confirm it. The only closest thing that site owners can look at is if the account was logged impossibly on different regions in just a short timeframe.

In most cases, it's the gamblers that will face problems if they violate the rules of a casino, so if you are gambling especially with a decent amount of money. Just try not to cheat by using a VPN just for the site to allow you because they detected a masked IP, eventually, you'll get caught and your money will be freeze.

That's usually what we saw in some of the scam accusations reports, and then gambleres accuse the site of cheating when it was actually them who broke the rules, the sites just made the right action of the violation.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on July 26, 2021, 07:31:43 AM

I believe that those websites that block VPNs do so because some of the users who are from countries where online gambling is restricted or prohibited must use VPNs to access the gambling websites, and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country.

You already said that gamblers use VPN so they will have the freedom to access the website they won't able to access in their country.

How come the website will be responsible for any legal actions if they allow users from prohibited countries to play? They won't detect it because of the obvious reason that they are using a VPN. There are lots of VPN types and site owners can't reliably detect if those users are using a VPN.

They put that on terms so that users will know that anything related to VPN is not allowed on the site even there's no way a site can confirm it. The only closest thing that site owners can look at is if the account was logged impossibly on different regions in just a short timeframe.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 24, 2021, 04:47:41 PM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on July 23, 2021, 09:50:19 AM

The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page. Winnings and stake of an underaged 🔞 gambler or from people in an illegal country will be withheld. Failure to follow the laid down rules for verifying your account will also have your winnings withheld. Having two accounts with the same IP will get you suspended. Also, you will be blocked if you try to deposit and withdraw using a different payment method. Getting caught using a VPN, especially when it is used for illicit purposes will have your account blocked and your winnings withheld.

this will usually vary from website to website
not all casinos and gambling websites will block VPN or same IP users, sometimes they can use other methods for verifying as well

I believe that those websites that block VPNs do so because some of the users who are from countries where online gambling is restricted or prohibited must use VPNs to access the gambling websites, and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country. Also, we see that most gambling sites have faucets where you can try or feel how to play the game with just free money that was given to the website, and the user can create multiple accounts to take advantage of it.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on July 23, 2021, 09:50:19 AM

The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page.

It's where the problem goes when someone starts to withdraw and he's a VPN user but didn't read the T&C that it's not allowed by the casino. In that case, the amount will be held by the casino.
There were some cases that I've seen that they've been given a pass and it was resolved but I don't know what they did but maybe it's just about negotiation and compliance if asked by that casino.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on July 23, 2021, 09:50:19 AM

The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page. Winnings and stake of an underaged 🔞 gambler or from people in an illegal country will be withheld. Failure to follow the laid down rules for verifying your account will also have your winnings withheld. Having two accounts with the same IP will get you suspended. Also, you will be blocked if you try to deposit and withdraw using a different payment method. Getting caught using a VPN, especially when it is used for illicit purposes will have your account blocked and your winnings withheld.

this will usually vary from website to website
not all casinos and gambling websites will block VPN or same IP users, sometimes they can use other methods for verifying as well

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Quote from: South Park on July 23, 2021, 01:27:02 PM

Quote from: roosbit on July 19, 2021, 01:29:50 PM

It's the way to go because many of the times these gambling sites protect themselves with terms and conditions, while the players themselves just hate to read them and only act surprised when these terms are quoted to us and try to play victim when some rules are broken.

Is it correct and proof to say our reading culture is getting worse by the day?

Reading which is one of the most basic actions that we need to know in order to learn new knowledge is going down dramatically, kids are forced to read on school and as such many never learn how to do it well which is why they hate it, but even the ones that do it right are losing their skill because instead of reading they are just watching videos for everything and while there are activities in which a video can be way better there is nothing like a book if you want to find a concentrated source of knowledge.

Totally different because reading isnt something you do really need to learn up because having that knowledge plus having that understanding would really be enough
for you to tell on which one is good and which one is bad.This is just a matter of laziness of people who doesnt want to read up even if they are knowledgeable.
I would somewhat agree that reading a pile of text is boring and since they do wrote the same thing all over again then its just understandable that
people would mostly skip it.

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Quote from: roosbit on July 19, 2021, 01:29:50 PM

It's the way to go because many of the times these gambling sites protect themselves with terms and conditions, while the players themselves just hate to read them and only act surprised when these terms are quoted to us and try to play victim when some rules are broken.

Is it correct and proof to say our reading culture is getting worse by the day?

Reading which is one of the most basic actions that we need to know in order to learn new knowledge is going down dramatically, kids are forced to read on school and as such many never learn how to do it well which is why they hate it, but even the ones that do it right are losing their skill because instead of reading they are just watching videos for everything and while there are activities in which a video can be way better there is nothing like a book if you want to find a concentrated source of knowledge.

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The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page. Winnings and stake of an underaged 🔞 gambler or from people in an illegal country will be withheld. Failure to follow the laid down rules for verifying your account will also have your winnings withheld. Having two accounts with the same IP will get you suspended. Also, you will be blocked if you try to deposit and withdraw using a different payment method. Getting caught using a VPN, especially when it is used for illicit purposes will have your account blocked and your winnings withheld.

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Quote from: win win win on July 20, 2021, 03:24:07 AM

*Easy to read terms and conditions

Almost all the casinos have terms and conditions in basic English which are easy to understand but too long to read.

Quote from: win win win on July 20, 2021, 03:24:07 AM

*KYC free

With the crypto gambling being more and more licensed, I don't think many casinos exist now that don't ask KYC under some situation.

Quote from: win win win on July 20, 2021, 03:24:07 AM

*Free withdrawals (even if it's only once a week)

Sportsbet.io does it but I don't think every casino can do that because the transaction fees is not something casinos are charging, it's the cost of making that transaction and cannot expect the casinos to pay it.

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Quote from: Bitinity on July 23, 2021, 01:13:05 AM

Quote from: win win win on July 20, 2021, 03:24:07 AM

Gamblers should ban together and stop supporting poor gambling sites

*Easy to read terms and conditions

*KYC free

*Free withdrawals (even if it's only once a week)

Any site that is missing any of these points should be avoided

I agree with the first 2 but not for the 3rd one. Having free withdrawal is absolutely a benefit for us as players but casinos that charging fee for withdrawal does not mean that they are poor gambling sites that should be avoided. As long as the withdrawal fee is reasonable and they process withdrawal instantly then I'm fine with the fee.

yes @Bitinity
free withdrawals are not a must for deciding on using a website
but its an interesting thing to look at, sometimes you can even assess an exchange risk by that, if they charge really high fees and have huge processing times its a red flag.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 22, 2021, 03:19:31 PM

Quote from: ShowOff on July 22, 2021, 01:24:26 PM

We all have reason why the terms and conditions of a gambling site should be read before registering or starting to play there. In addition to reason to avoid mistakes in using the site, we will also get an idea of whether the site is one of the site that meet the criteria we want. Some users are not suitable for KYC, usually in the terms and conditions we will get that information and we also avoid the site because of that.

Quote from: Dread Pirate Roberts on July 22, 2021, 01:14:52 PM

So far, casinos that require KYC are very simple and fast. like just a formality.

Quick and easy doesn't seem like a formality. Site that have KYC rule must be able to store user data securely so it doesn't look bad. If KYC is considered a formality, then the security of user document cant be guaranteed.

there are good topics here on the forum that shows that KYC is not only useless but also dangerous
people with bad intentions (or not) will find ways to bypass it, fake documents or pay someone else to do it for them

if anyone wants to read more on that here's a full topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221497.new#new

Everyone hates KYC and most casinos already knew that. Even the big popular crypto casino is not asking for it but the fiat base are. But I'm still not buying that gamblers are actually reading TOS before playing. If they have been in crypto for years, most of the time, they just register, deposit, and play.

Some may read TOS but probably are looking for loopholes. Sometimes the time, when they read, is already the time where their account is already frozen for suspicious activity.

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Quote from: batako on July 22, 2021, 01:04:48 PM

Quote from: roosbit on July 19, 2021, 01:29:50 PM

It's the way to go because many of the times these gambling sites protect themselves with terms and conditions, while the players themselves just hate to read them and only act surprised when these terms are quoted to us and try to play victim when some rules are broken.

Is it correct and proof to say our reading culture is getting worse by the day?

I tend to skip general terms and conditions part since I am sure that it has to be the identical thing from site to site. But if we deal with bonuses,like welcome bonus, it may differ from one to another therefore we have to read it carefully and ask the thing that we dont understand/have doubts to the support staff. Failed to understand its terms and conditions could lead us to the big regret at the end.

We firstly not to consider this as very important for we think that was the same with others site and that is why we have no right to claim if we got the problem especially when we violated their rules because we are not able to read them at first.

If we are skeptical before and just ignore this, it was time for us to do this in order to not reach the point that we blame each other. It is our wrong doing and that is we need to change it, otherwise, the same issues and complaints will raise again and again.

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Quote from: Dread Pirate Roberts on July 22, 2021, 01:14:52 PM

Quote from: win win win on July 20, 2021, 03:24:07 AM

*KYC free

I totally agree with this, but there are some casinos that are legally established in their country but maybe their country's regulations require customer data for their casino service users. I think this is still okay as long as it is not made difficult and takes a long time. So far, casinos that require KYC are very simple and fast. like just a formality.

Yes, and as far as I know the KYC process is fast depending on the good or bad quality of the images we send. But yes, this is gambling related although I also realize it involves money and I think, there is nothing wrong if they implement KYC but for me it would be better to avoid it if it has to involve KYC in gambling. But yes, it all depends on the comfort of each individual, but for me because there are still many other trusted gambling sites that do not implement KYC, I prefer to use their services for gambling.

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Quote from: win win win on July 20, 2021, 03:24:07 AM

Gamblers should ban together and stop supporting poor gambling sites

*Easy to read terms and conditions

*KYC free

*Free withdrawals (even if it's only once a week)

Any site that is missing any of these points should be avoided

I agree with the first 2 but not for the 3rd one. Having free withdrawal is absolutely a benefit for us as players but casinos that charging fee for withdrawal does not mean that they are poor gambling sites that should be avoided. As long as the withdrawal fee is reasonable and they process withdrawal instantly then I'm fine with the fee.

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Quote from: ShowOff on July 22, 2021, 01:24:26 PM

We all have reason why the terms and conditions of a gambling site should be read before registering or starting to play there. In addition to reason to avoid mistakes in using the site, we will also get an idea of whether the site is one of the site that meet the criteria we want. Some users are not suitable for KYC, usually in the terms and conditions we will get that information and we also avoid the site because of that.

Quote from: Dread Pirate Roberts on July 22, 2021, 01:14:52 PM

So far, casinos that require KYC are very simple and fast. like just a formality.

Quick and easy doesn't seem like a formality. Site that have KYC rule must be able to store user data securely so it doesn't look bad. If KYC is considered a formality, then the security of user document cant be guaranteed.

there are good topics here on the forum that shows that KYC is not only useless but also dangerous
people with bad intentions (or not) will find ways to bypass it, fake documents or pay someone else to do it for them

if anyone wants to read more on that here's a full topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221497.new#new

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We all have reason why the terms and conditions of a gambling site should be read before registering or starting to play there. In addition to reason to avoid mistakes in using the site, we will also get an idea of whether the site is one of the site that meet the criteria we want. Some users are not suitable for KYC, usually in the terms and conditions we will get that information and we also avoid the site because of that.

Quote from: Dread Pirate Roberts on July 22, 2021, 01:14:52 PM

So far, casinos that require KYC are very simple and fast. like just a formality.

Quick and easy doesn't seem like a formality. Site that have KYC rule must be able to store user data securely so it doesn't look bad. If KYC is considered a formality, then the security of user document cant be guaranteed.

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Quote from: win win win on July 20, 2021, 03:24:07 AM

*KYC free

I totally agree with this, but there are some casinos that are legally established in their country but maybe their country's regulations require customer data for their casino service users. I think this is still okay as long as it is not made difficult and takes a long time. So far, casinos that require KYC are very simple and fast. like just a formality.

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Quote from: roosbit on July 19, 2021, 01:29:50 PM

It's the way to go because many of the times these gambling sites protect themselves with terms and conditions, while the players themselves just hate to read them and only act surprised when these terms are quoted to us and try to play victim when some rules are broken.

Is it correct and proof to say our reading culture is getting worse by the day?

I tend to skip general terms and conditions part since I am sure that it has to be the identical thing from site to site. But if we deal with bonuses,like welcome bonus, it may differ from one to another therefore we have to read it carefully and ask the thing that we dont understand/have doubts to the support staff. Failed to understand its terms and conditions could lead us to the big regret at the end.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 22, 2021, 06:24:58 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on July 22, 2021, 05:45:28 AM

Interesting articles. Thanks for the links!

I wouldn't say there are "million such cases", though. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad there are such cases, and I hope there will be more cases like those in the future, but we both know that in the vast majority of cases if you break the rules(ToS/T&C) you won't win in court. So, even though those companies are not omnipotent(and that's good, of course) it's better for us to read ToS, at least briefly, at least "diagonally", but to not ignore it completely.

The only reason people don't win millions of such cases in courts is their unwillingness to go there. Few people want to waste time for the sake of their adherence to principles and punish a corporation for the loss of a virtual character or access to a virtual service. This is especially not relevant given the fact that there are many other services/games. But still, we must not forget about our fundamental rights and regard corporations as gods. It will be useful for them and for us, we will know about our rights, and they will be less impudent.

well, there is cost of opportunity, but yes, probably more people could win and don't because they end up not going
not all have the patience to do the paper work, lawyers, etc...

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 22, 2021, 05:45:28 AM

Interesting articles. Thanks for the links!

I wouldn't say there are "million such cases", though. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad there are such cases, and I hope there will be more cases like those in the future, but we both know that in the vast majority of cases if you break the rules(ToS/T&C) you won't win in court. So, even though those companies are not omnipotent(and that's good, of course) it's better for us to read ToS, at least briefly, at least "diagonally", but to not ignore it completely.

The only reason people don't win millions of such cases in courts is their unwillingness to go there. Few people want to waste time for the sake of their adherence to principles and punish a corporation for the loss of a virtual character or access to a virtual service. This is especially not relevant given the fact that there are many other services/games. But still, we must not forget about our fundamental rights and regard corporations as gods. It will be useful for them and for us, we will know about our rights, and they will be less impudent.

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