Topic: Terms and condition a must read before signing up any online gambling site - page 3. (Read 2258 times)

Interesting articles. Thanks for the links!

I wouldn't say there are "million such cases", though. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad there are such cases, and I hope there will be more cases like those in the future, but we both know that in the vast majority of cases if you break the rules(ToS/T&C) you won't win in court. So, even though those companies are not omnipotent(and that's good, of course) it's better for us to read ToS, at least briefly, at least "diagonally", but to not ignore it completely.

Yes. But you shouldn't take it as the only determinant of whether or not you want to play on a site.

A site with a very convoluted and draconian T&C may not enforce it in practice, and it may be okay that you play on their site. Meanwhile, another site with a very simple T&C may actually be a landmine waiting to be stepped on, and actually enforce KYC on all of its customer accounts.

This is very reputation is probably a bit more important than the T&Cs alone, imo. Anyone can cherrypick conditions when it comes to it, but reputation usually indicates whether or not they actually do that in the first place.

the thing is many of the ToS of websites is much more than 1 or 2 hours to read, I remember seeing an article once that compared reading time for famous websites tos like facebook, youtube and twitter and it was absurd like 10h+

didn't find the article but found this other one that illustrates the situation well
You're not alone, no one reads terms of service agreements
saying that less than 9% of consumers DO read the ToS



Every site should have a Simplified version of the full contract, imo

That's the point gambers mostly don't have that luxury of time in terms of contesting the claimed, better to use what you already knows best or someone already been there to enjoy the services,

Than to explore and be trapped with terms and conditions that mostly not being attended by gamblers who are playing inside the house.

once you already choose the right place for you to enjoy and entertained, fit yourself and work along side with the site, perks will slowly coming from time to time for being a loyal player.

When we use VPN, the real problem will come to us when we want to withdraw the money, which is the casino will not allow us to do that thing. We can not do anything about that and that is our mistake that we do not read their terms and conditions so we got that problem. If we do not have any tension to deposit much money and only search for fun, I think we can play gambling using VPN, but it is better to contact the support system and tell them about using VPN. Maybe they can understand our situation.

This is a good sample for withdrawal cases under $2k. Maybe the casino can let you withdraw that money while you use VPN. As long you do not attract their attention to check your account, you will be safe to withdraw the money. But once you withdraw big money and use VPN or other things, they can use that as their reason to block or ban your account. Maybe those people make the alarm sound so the casino directly checks on their account.

Risky or not, only they will know. Many gamblers will get a problem when they want to withdraw big money and I am curious why they like to make them wake up and investigate your account while you can withdraw with little money. That will be better for you and I think that will not be a problem for you, even if you need to pay the transaction fee many times because you still win that money.

The reason is greed. We can become greedy easily when we win for some money and do anything to get more money.

But most casinos will not allow users to use VPN and we should search for the casino that allows us to deposit, play, and withdraw the money. As long as we can get that site, we do not have to move to the other sites because we can feel comfortable with their services and maybe we can win many times.

Checking and making sure will be necessary because that will relate to our money used to deposit on that site. If everything is okay and we can see that we can play gambling without any problem, we can deposit the money and play some games. Sometimes, people attract to the gambling site because of the exciting offers or welcome bonuses so they forgot to check or read the terms and conditions. They read the terms and conditions until they win for some money, and they found that some rules are break.

That is why we can search for that site from here and I am sure that will fits what we want. If the @OP can actively answer the question from the others, it could be good for us to try to play on their site because we will not have to wait for a long time to get the answer.

Gamblers should ban together and stop supporting poor gambling sites

*Easy to read terms and conditions

*KYC free

*Free withdrawals (even if it's only once a week)

Any site that is missing any of these points should be avoided

Only the reputation and reviews of people who actually used the casino or other service matter. In fact, you can write anything in ToS and then not follow your own rules, and thus a person who believes in a good ToS will be deceived. Not everyone has time to deal with courts, so it's better to save time and find out real information about the service you are going to use.

If it involved a reputable gambling site, there shouldn't be a problem with KYC approvals and if a user complies with that as a requirement to claim their big winnings, then it should be processed smoothly.

Now if it involved a not popular gambling site, prior to that big winnings if ever, why did these people choose a site like that? Expect that when they won big, there are lots of requirements that those sites will be asked on those big winners.

Not that really much connected about reading culture or something like that, it is just part of the reality that people are really lazy on reading up a big pile of text which do mention
almost the same content all over again and again but there are some changes depending on regulation aspects on certain countries but most of the time they are just the same
and even myself doesnt really have time on reading up terms and conditions or something like that when dealing into a website.Just simply stick out with the best
and at least you do really make yourself a bit safe.

It's the way to go because many of the times these gambling sites protect themselves with terms and conditions, while the players themselves just hate to read them and only act surprised when these terms are quoted to us and try to play victim when some rules are broken.

Is it correct and proof to say our reading culture is getting worse by the day?

Referrals is a good example of reading the terms because many gambling sites actually make it super restrictive and only offer the best promotions to people who promote real friends. If you go around sharing your personal referral code in random places expecting a big payout, you might find that they withhold all the money after you put a lot of work into it. They expect people to use their less generous affiliate programs if you want to start earning from promoting their services via other avenues online and you might need to "level up" through certain thresholds to get the best payouts for your referrals. Be sure if this is your plan to make money that they totally allow what you it and the methods you will be using.

Well said, those terms and conditions is indeed created by lawyers who mostly intend to protect their clients it's difficult for ordinary gamblers to understand what are those rules without taking longer time to read everything.

I like the idea from the post above, there are friends or relatives who much more engaged with gambling, from their experienced using certain platforms, you'll learned not by reading but from their words if the site are good and not into scamming players.

While it is true that most TOS are difficult to read and are not very user friendly this is because in many cases they are written by lawyers that do so with the intention of protecting their clients, in this case the casino, and it is up to the user to understand what it is being said there, and since most of us are not lawyers then we are going to have trouble reading the text, but once you find a casino that you like then this is not a problem as you can take the time to read that TOS and forget about the rest, reducing the time you need to dedicate to this.

A million such cases have been and will be because many (if not most) companies enter requirements into the ToS that contradict the laws and therefore have no force, and then consumers in court easily win cases in controversial cases.
You can find it easy to find such a case on Google especially often it is associated with intellectual property rights.

https://olhardigital.com.br/en/2021/05/17/games-e-consoles/sony-ps5-banido-restauracao/

one more example:

https://www.vg247.com/2019/09/20/steam-users-right-to-sell-games-french-court-valve-ruling/

and so on.

This is why its really important to read the TOS even if almost all of gambling site have similar contents but actually they have unique rules implemented so we need to seek those information first so that if there's a trouble happen to us we are knowledgeable on things we violate  or not and we may have  legal holds if all  things go to worse. Also your right so far I didn't read any costumer win on their claims towards a casino especially if those costumer didn't  read the TOS that's why we need to read it because it will put us on big shame if we complain on such things which is clearly stated that its violating their own house rules.

That is the case sometimes, but I hope you don't mean that reading ToS is pointless.

In most situations you would just skip all the troubles of going to court, or resolving an issue through a lengthy conversation with Support etc, if you read the ToS first.

But what draw my attention the most in your post was that "myth of omnipotence" part. Were there instances when customers violated ToS and still won the case?

Therefore, it is very important that we change bad habits like that. By directly registering the gambling site without first reading the terms
and conditions. Indeed, almost all gambling sites have almost the same rules, but if we do a careful comparison, there are several different
rules between gambling sites that are currently circulating. Do not follow our emotions by rushing to play gambling on new gambling sites,
because there are attractive bonus offers. Because there is a possibility that there are gambling site rules that do not match what we want.
The easiest way is to choose a gambling site that has an ANN thread on this forum, we can read in the ANN thread about the gambling site
information, and most importantly we can get quick answers usually from the questions we want to ask. Another positive thing is that we can
know the responses of the members of this forum regarding the gambling site.

Some of the players playing at crypto casinos have gambling banned in their country or some may have crypto banned and the casinos are well aware of these things. They will let the gambler lose as much as he wants but once he gets lucky or hits a jackpot the casino will take advantage of the position gambler and forfeit his winnings.

Then I feel that if any famous platform has some sketchy rules, surely someone will dig deep and make it public. There are casinos running for years now and if there was any problem in the rules they must have been exposed by now.

Only a few gambling sites allow the use of VPN so if you are going to use a VPN be sure you read the TOS of the gambling site you are playing about using VPN, much better if you ask the support about the use of VPN, many players are flagged because of VPN, because we all know, not every one can play in a gambling site, they do not allow people from restricted areas to avoid legal issues

Of course they are different industries and all but the comment was more about how most of the people will be too lazy to see tons of pages of Terms of Service on the websites they use, even when their money is involved.

but yes, I agree with you that reading the ToS is important